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Fri 31st March 2006


Filed under: General — miss mug @ 3:17 pm

shipton, schollum, rickards…NOT GUILTY.

Thu 30th March 2006

Access to Court Records

Filed under: General,Law & Courts — Wingnut R @ 6:33 pm

Access to Court Records – Call for Submissions.

This project is reviewing existing rules providing access to Court records and developing principles to govern access to Court records, the retention and archiving of records. It is considering the appropriateness of a single code providing rules for all jurisdictions.
Draft Consultation Report
Published 29 Mar 2006
Access to Court Records — Draft Report for Consultation The Law Commission’s draft report Access to Court Records is now available for consultation. The Commission makes recommendations for the rules and principles governing access to court records, and other information held by courts. The Commission welcomes any comments on the draft report and the recommendations made in it. The closing date for submissions and comments on the draft report is Monday 24 April 2006. The draft report is available by clicking on the heading. If you have any inquiries, please contact Janet November ( 04 914 4801, JNovember@lawcom.govt.nz) or Rachel Hayward ( 04 914 4811, RHayward@lawcom.govt.nz).

Terms of Reference
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Women and criminal justice

Filed under: General — Julie @ 11:24 am

“As the world around us grows more violent and less understandable, our need for vengeance and revenge seems to be growing at a camparable rate. The challenging reality we might have to (we know we do) face, if we are serious about making a difference for our children and grandchildren and turning the tide of increasing societal violence (all types of abuse), is that until we stop shifting the blame and looking for solutions and work instead on finding the courage to deal with the issues in a holistic way, nothing will change.”

“Historically the attitudes of some of those who have been involved in the oversight of women within the criminal justice system have incorporated seeing women as the weaker sex and thus less responsible for their deviant behaviour. ”

“Things are changing in this regard, with women increasingly being held accountable as adults for the crimes they commit rather than being simply seen as ‘naughty girls’. The arrival of female and younger male judges on the bench appears to have had an impact in this regard.

“It has seemed at times in the past as if the different treatment has been not only about a failure to see women as adults responsible for their bahaviour, but also about a reluctance to send women to prison because doing so allowed the women to evade their responsibility as a mother. ”

“It can only be a good thing that women’s criminal behaviour is now being judged on the basis of more objective and less patriarchal criteria.”

Lashlie, Celia. (2002) “The journey to prison, who goes and why”. Published by HarperCollins (NZ) Ltd.

We are still considering women to be needed in the home and as the weaker sex in some circles but as the femisnist movement and masculinist movement continues so will the accountability. Also as father’s are being seen to be just as capable in parenting, women will receive thier due. I have great faith that we can achieve equality, fairness and balance as those learning the hardships speak out.

Wed 29th March 2006

Vindictive Partners

Filed under: General — miss mug @ 4:12 pm

Far too many MENZ members will be aware of the ease with which the Family Court, Legal Aid Services, CYFS and various social and medical services will provide support without adequate investigation into the veracity of the need for such support.

My quandary is not that it is so freely available, but that it is recklessly squandered to the extent that an onlooker can only be gobsmacked and appalled.

When a spouse has been plainly dishonest with the most outrageous lies for a period of years, to the degree that serious harm is occurring to the children involved, not to mention the abuse inflicted upon the innocent partner and their family, one can only wonder at the competence of the decision makers involved.

Even after such obviously malicious abuse of the system and all parties involved, the offending partner — having rightly lost custody — remains on a benefit even though young and able-bodied. This enables an offender who has practiced everything from child abuse, defamation, harassment, benefit fraud and perjury to escaped any form of accountability.

Instead of the devious malice aforethought practiced by this person getting the recognition and retribution from the law that it deserves, a soft-option acceptance of the possible presence of a delusional disorder has allowed complete exoneration! The person concerned is now free to embark upon renewed efforts to prove the custodial parent unfit and is doing so with gusto.

What action would MENZ members suggest to get the latest outrageous example of this that I have seen out into the light of day?

Two-home children

Filed under: General,Law & Courts — JohnPotter @ 3:19 pm

In last weekend’s NZ Herald article Two-home children can have best of both worlds, Simon Collins writes:

The term “solo parent” no longer reflects reality for many split New Zealand families, says a new report.

New terms such as “two-home child” or “two-household child” would indicate that many children now split their lives between two separated parents, say the authors of the Families Commission study, Paul Callister and Stuart Birks.

The recent census provided a good illustration of this issue –

Mr Birks said this month’s Census was typical of officialdom’s failure to catch up with split families, asking people only about their relationships to other people in the same house.

The online Census guide says: “For example, if someone in the same household as you acts as your mother and you think of her as your mother, select ‘my mother’.”

“They have to be in the same household to count as the same family,” Mr Birks said. “But for a lot of children in two-parent families, the parent could well be living somewhere else.”

Personal Responsibility

Filed under: General — triassic @ 8:22 am

Holes in the Crown case against Assistant Commissioner Clint Rickards and two former police colleagues are too great for any jury to convict the men, the High Court at Auckland was told yesterday.

Lawyers for Rickards, 45, Brad Shipton, 47, and Bob Schollum, 53, gave their closing addresses to the jury of seven women and five men, saying the complainant, , had lied and fabricated events and the Crown case did not come within a “bull’s roar” of what was required.

The jurors will retire today to consider their verdicts

This case will be judged by the philosophical view of the men and women on the jury. I have kept a close eye on this case as it represents to me, and I’m sure to the feminists, how society interprets the actions of woman in relation to men. Louise Nicholas has claimed that she had non consensual sex with the three men. Yes, she admits that she didn’t say no or complain at the time but claims the justification was intimidation. She therefore feels she was not responsible for her actions. Feminists and the like need to heed the words of Yasuhiko Genku Kimura

In public discourse we hear more about the violation of individual rights than about the abdication of individual responsibility. Yet it is the abdication of individual responsibility that leads to the violation of individual rights, because it is intrinsic in the nature of responsibility that responsible individuals respect and honour the rights of others. Today we live amid a pandemic of irresponsibility — irresponsibility within governments, business, education, the media, the arts, academe, and other sectors. In this culture of rampant irresponsibility, responsibility as such has become almost a forgotten ethical value and moral virtue. However, it is the responsible action that alone carries with it the requisite integrity that brings about real change. Therefore, unless we can transform the present culture of irresponsibility into a culture of responsibility, social movement of any kind, including peace movements, will bear only bitter fruit, if any.

Tue 28th March 2006

Why women attack men

Filed under: General — Julie @ 2:10 pm

When a man rejects a woman or has an affair that she finds out about, the woman feels the only way of handling it is to get revenge and hit back in any way possible to hurt the man. Even using the children. Why? Because that’s the only power she thinks she has left.

When a woman leaves a man the same outcome applies. She feels she is not being respected and/or loved so she fulfils her needs somewhere else whether with another man, work, etc. In her mind the man is at fault and should pay for the children etc.

Women think when relationships break up that they have been wrong done by. In both scenarios the man has to fight back so that he doesn’t lose everything including the children. The more he fights, the more he feeds her. The more he fights the harder she hits. It becomes a one on one fight like in a boxing ring except the bell never rings. She has to win.

Now, when a husband and wife split up mutually, agree equally to break up they generally work out who gets what and how the children will be raised. They don’t need the courts, admin reviews and the rest.

This makes sense that the ultimate solution is for both sides to come together and agree how things will be done regarding the children etc. The female won’t make the first move. The male must. He must put aside his pride and basically put on a mask with matching facial expressions and body language. Females pick up easy on body language.

Males have alot more power than they seem to give themselves credit for. He can have her eating out of his palm if he wanted to. I would think it would be worth a try to win her over instead of paying $40,000 + to lawyers and spending so much time in Admin Reviews.

Of course all this is easier said than done but very possible.

False accusations are Disturbing

Filed under: General — triassic @ 12:56 pm

NZ best place to raise kids? Not any more, says top judge

There was nearly one incident of family violence every eight minutes during December and January. About 6000 children, more than half under 5, witnessed those incidents

If you are a female thats been beaten, or a relative of a female murdered by her partner then the above article may be of some comfort to you. However, if you are a falsely accused male of domestic violence and have struggled with the ramifications of this action then you may be justifiably disturbed by this article.

Principal Family Court Judge Peter Boshier mentions caution in the granting of these protection orders but the article fails to point out the destructive nature of false accusations. I know from experience how a false claim starts a ‘steam roller’ that’s hard to stop. Every profession climbs on board to support the accuser, from doctors keen to assist by writing out certificates for damage that is not evident by anyone but the accuser, to lawyers who are keen to use the accusation to gain the upper hand in related matters. I don’t want men who beat their partners to get away with it either.

I don’t believe that the think tank on these matters is balanced. The article mentions that half the women murdered had protection orders in place.

Here is my input Mr Boshier….

  1. All accused, with a conviction of violence of any nature, to automatically be issued with Ex Parte protection order when requested.
  2. Those issued with protection orders to immediately be placed into counselling. This is imperative as they will experience stress levels likely to set off the very thing you are attempting to arrest. This immediate counselling needs to be set up specifically for this event.
  3. When women are found to be playing with this law and laying false or misleading accusations they should be punished far more severely than they are at the moment.
  4. The Law Society needs to be more involved in shaming Lawyers who clearly encourage women to lay charges of abuse as a tactic in their case. The integrity of family law is being devalued by the adoption of feminist ideology that women just don’t lie about these matters.

I notice that Judge Boshier made these remarks at a Hui. If that has relevance then it should be taken into consideration when issuing protection orders.

Mon 27th March 2006

TV Doco: Give My Children Back

Filed under: Law & Courts — JohnPotter @ 3:26 pm


International tug-of-love stories that will break your heart

Thursday, April 6th at 8:30pm TV3

Inside New Zealand: Give My Children Back looks at two dramatic international custody disputes and how they are resolved under the Hague Convention.

In an age of cheap travel and the “global village”, international relationships are on the rise. But hooking up with a partner from another country comes with some serious risks when children are involved.

When relationships break down, the result is often an international ‘tug-of-love’.

This documentary discovers serious discrepancies in the way that such cases are handled by different countries.

In January 2005, New Zealander Stephen Jelicich went on the run with his daughter Caitlin creating headlines around the world.

Stephen’s Welsh wife Diane and the British Government applied for an order for the return of Caitlin to Wales under the Hague Convention.

Stephen argued that Diane was a “grave risk” to Caitlin based on a history of depression, self-harm and violence.

The Jelicich saga became a media sensation. This documentary is the only production to film the story of what happened to the family after the Hague Convention decision, with never-before-seen footage.

Call now goes out for sending emails to the Attorney-General Dr. Michael Cullen of New Zealand

Filed under: General — Intrepid @ 3:16 pm

The call has gone out to continue the pressure on the New Zealand government by emailing Attorney-General Dr. Michael Cullen of New Zealand. kim.mackenzie@parliament.govt.nz

(Show those in government that fathers & men won’t stand for politics over law email: kim.mackenzie@parliament.govt.nz )

In a landmark case that will affect the Father’s right worldwide the New Zealand government will be faced with dismissing a properly certified lawyer applicant after being turned down by the Wellington District Law Society for his activist work on the behalf of the father’s & men’s right work. Get supporters from any source. Past email form letter emails OK!

Why Child Support Won’t Change.

Filed under: Child Support,General,Law & Courts,Men's Health — Downunder @ 12:35 pm

A political agenda to which child support is such a critical element will ruthlessly enforce compliance until it is overwhelmed by death.

The issue that is central to feminist control in respect of the child, is the manner of its upbringing. Parenting in this context is not something that Mothers and Fathers do, but is a legally enforceable, state managed regime. In order to maintain control of parenting the state uses the family court to control, firstly – possession of the child, and secondly – financing of the child’s upbringing.

In terms of possession it is the last resort of the court to place the child with the biological father, and until the recent protestations of fathers even to allow contact.

The second issue, that of funding is critical to maintaining this agenda. Here’s the child, here’s the money, now go to school during the day and go home to your caregiver at night.

The collection of child support is justified only by the existence of the child. Any other considerations are removed to the arena of parenting issues, which must be resolved in an adversarial court under the watchful eye of “The Family Law Section”, who have turned the robes of justice into a monkey suit, by pretending to be a court, rather than acknowledging their role as a state institution.

For the purposes of collecting child support it is more convenient to blame fathers for their absence rather than encouraging participation – that was simply never in the agenda.

It is not the brave new world of women, simply retrodictive ignorance, and a sad indictment of our society that as mothers and fathers, we allow our children to be used as the political fodder of egalitarian tyrants.

Fri 24th March 2006

What about the children

Filed under: General — Julie @ 5:49 pm

I can understand that many parents (male or female) paying child support are struggling. The saying goes that you will become financially better off if the two of you (parents) can work things out together. So the perfect resolution would be for both parents to sit down togehter and decide together how the children’s basic needs of food, clothing, bedding will be paid as well as school fees. Then of course the needs for children to play sports, music leasons, dance lessons and the rest.

Encouraging males to put their assets and money into trusts is all good if the trust benefits the children in the long run. Because at the end of the day the children are the reason why child support is paid. Is this what you (been there done that) men are doing?

Even though the system or Child Support Act is flawed we should not disregard the children. ( I have e-mailed johncampbelllive.tv3.co.nz to ask him to produce the facts so that ordinary New Zealanders can get an understanding of what is going on. (I hope my request is honoured).

The problem that I acknowledge is that men and women are not working together. I see women that want to destroy men, put them in prison and totally destroy their life and then I hear men that want to destroy the women.

I understand both sides. (Thanks to this website) So where do we draw the line?

No Fathers’ & Men’s Lawyers Are Allowed In New Zealand?

Filed under: General — Intrepid @ 1:35 pm

Lawyers May Not Be Involved in the Father’s Right Movement and be allowed to be a Lawyer in New Zealand)

In a land mark case the High Court of New Zealand will be faced with dismissing a properly certified lawyer applicant after being turned down by the Wellington District Law Society for his activist work on the behalf of the father’s & men’s right work. The call on supporters worldwide to contact the New Zealand government and demand Peter Zohrab be accepted with no prejudice or political bias immediately when his appeal to the law societies decision comes before her government.

The Crown Law email address to contact and voice your complaint: library@crownlaw.govt.nz

Peter Zohrab:

It might be better to email the political boss of Crown Law (the Attorney-General) because the Library at Crown Law might just ditch political emails.

So I suggest you ask everyone to email kim.mackenzie@parliament.govt.nz , which is the current Attorney-General (Dr. Michael Cullen)’s email address. Unfortunately, there is going to be a cabinet reshuffle, apparently, but hopefully emails would be forwarded to the new one.

Her organization has been virtually accused of denying me a certificate for political reasons, and all she can say in response is to spell out some legal technicalities of the admission process!

In a free society, there is no legal basis for denying someone entry to the legal profession on the basis of their political views. The fact alone that a female Council member laughed when I told the Council about being assaulted by feminist law students casts doubt on the judgment of the Council.

It is relevant to raise the issue of the broader context, which is the apparent inability of many men and fathers to find lawyers who take a sufficiently pro-men stance.

For those wishing to express more anger as well, contact the Wellington District Law Society who have already turned down Peter Zohrab due to a disregard to Law for the sake of dishonourable poltical agendas : wellaw@wellaw.co.nz

Thu 23rd March 2006

Child Support laws in spotlight on TV

Filed under: Child Support — JohnPotter @ 7:54 pm

‘Leading family law expert’ Raylee Harley and Mark Shipman from Parents for Children were interviewed for TV1 Breakfast News today by Paul Henry. Mark did an excellent job and presented the most important messages effectively. Well done mate!

Watch the video Child Support laws in spotlight (04:57min streaming .wmv)

Raylee Harley has told the Select Committee 0n the Child Support Amendment Bill that Inland Revenue should have the power to take money directly from a liable parent’s bank account. As Shipman revealed, that already happens.

Henry asked Shipman:

“Are you happy with that? Because one of your biggest concerns were that there are always outstanding payments that are under dispute.

Mark Shipman - TV1 Breakfast

Mark replied:

“Yes there are and the Commissioner does have the power and he does exercise it. We know of several people who have had money taken from their account recently. He can do that without needing to know what bank account can be accessed. I don’t see a purpose in this other than increasing the government’s ability to recover benefits.”

“There is nothing that I am aware of being sought that is not available to the powers that be now.”


Mon 20th March 2006

Queen of Nothing.

Filed under: General — Downunder @ 12:32 am


Stuff Link: http://www.stuff.co.nz/stuff/0,2106,3605992a1861,00.html

Of all the titles a woman can earn in this land of female superiority — governor-general, prime minister, chief justice — surely the most delightful is Staunchest Pitbull. I covet it.

Of all the titles a woman can earn in this land of female superiority,
the ultimate prize has yet to be claimed — Queen of Nothing.

Sat 18th March 2006

All male teachers vulnerable to attack

Filed under: Boys / Youth / Education — JohnPotter @ 10:20 am

In a March 18th – 24th NZ Listener article titled “No Thanks, Sir“, education experts point out that the negative publicity surrounding MP David Benson-Pope is making education as a career even less attractive for men. Last year, primary schools employed only 445 new male teachers competed with 2312 new female teachers.

University of Auckland Education Faculty Dean Dr John Langley says:

“There seems to be this underlying assumption that as men we have to be saved from ourselves – that left to our own devices we will naturally lapse into licentious and sexually aggressive behaviour.

“That kind of thing is what male teachers fear – that if an accusation gets made, because they’re male, an assumption will be made that it [the incident] wasn’t harmless.

“I think it is something that is putting males of teaching – that notion that they’re males and their intentions in those situations will be construed as being sinister even when they are not. I think that has a very damaging impact.”

Family Court – Website Decisions

Filed under: General,Law & Courts — Wingnut R @ 9:26 am

The Family Court website of pulished decisions is back up. Appearing are 30 new decisions. Nearly all appear to be delivered in August 2005 and are oral judgement decisions. None are the same are the 181 decisions that were removed last year. You may want to secure these onto your own computer in case the FC get it wrong and have to remove them again.


Wed 15th March 2006

Roman Women

Filed under: General — triassic @ 1:58 pm

“If we could survive without a wife, citizens of Rome, all of us would do without that nuisance.” So proclaimed the Roman general, statesman and censor Quintus Caecilius Metellus Macedonicus, in 131 B.C. Still, he went on to plead, falling birth-rates required that Roman men fulfil their duty to reproduce, no matter how irritating Roman women might have become. “Since nature has so decreed that we cannot manage comfortably with them, nor live in any way without them, we must plan for our lasting preservation rather than for our temporary pleasure.”

Misogynist or realist?? Roman Women justifiably felt the same about men; however both genders have continually created the union through the instinctive behaviour of procreation and love. Unlike Roman Men, males today are stripped of almost all power. Over the last 30 yrs men have endured incredible pain through loss of assets, future earnings and a good relationship with their children due to the break-up of the family. I believe the young generation of males will not venture in our path and will search for a lifestyle without the inclusion of children. Who in their right mind would walk voluntarily into a lions den even if they like cute pussys? Women on the other hand are desperate to fulfil the desire to procreate and, given the power base they have, will attempt to achieve it anyway they can. Driven by narcissism, which is sanctioned by the state, she ignores the childs best interests.

World wide the feminists fight for more power is relentless. The rebirth of NZ will only occur with the The Return of Patriarchy

Patriarchal societies come in many varieties and evolve through different stages. What they have in common are customs and attitudes that collectively serve to maximize fertility and parental investment in the next generation. Of these, among the most important is the stigmatization of “illegitimate” children. One measure of the degree to which patriarchy has diminished in advanced societies is the growing acceptance of out-of-wedlock births, which have now become the norm in Scandinavian countries, for example. Under patriarchy, “bastards” and single mothers cannot be tolerated because they undermine male investment in the next generation. Illegitimate children do not take their fathers’ name, and so their fathers, even if known, tend not to take any responsibility for them. By contrast, “legitimate” children become a source of either honor or shame to their fathers and the family line. The notion that legitimate children belong to their fathers’ family, and not to their mothers’, which has no basis in biology, gives many men powerful emotional reasons to want children, and to want their children to succeed in passing on their legacy. Patriarchy also leads men to keep having children until they produce at least one son

Mon 13th March 2006

Sure kids have rights – illegal sex isn’t one of them

Filed under: General — Downunder @ 11:35 am


The New Zealand Father and Child Society’s president – I’d never heard of this outfit – said young boys were full of testosterone and were unlikely to say no to young women. Philip Chapman said some of these girls were very sassy in a highly sexualised society.

Stuff Link. http://www.stuff.co.nz/stuff/0,2106,3601469a1861,00.html

Perhaps we could put our views to Rosemary via stuff feedback and also post them here as well, so we can see what the media does with our point of view. Mine below.

Before you start beating up on our young boys, just remember it was your bitch law that took their fathers away, took their role models away, took their authority figures away, and made an industry out of single outcome dispute resolution – Women’s day Women’s way. If it wasn’t for the public outcry the “women” in the last Government would have made sex between 12 – 16 year olds legal.

“All kinds of authority figures make it not only possible, but permissible, for under-age girls to do as they
please.” How about you go hold them to account, or are journalists, these days, only good for half a story.

Sun 12th March 2006

The Death of New Zealand (part 1)

Filed under: General — triassic @ 10:33 pm

Three years ago my wife kissed me goodbye as she went out for the day with our young baby. Around noon that day as I worked from my office at the front of my home I had a visit from two police officers. They presented me with a 50mm high stack of papers and advised me that they wanted my guns (I am a hunter) and I was to leave my home immediately.

I was gob smacked, without looking at the papers I asked what was going on. The officer said that my wife had been granted an ex parte protection order for both her self and our baby and an eviction order for me. She also was seeking to overthrow the prenuptial agreement we entered into 3 yrs earlier that stated my home was to remain mine. I explained that I worked from home and that I could not possibly comply with an immediate exit. They took my guns and left me alone.

I felt I had been hit on the head with a baseball bat. My hands were shaking so much I struggled to phone my lawyer. It didn’t make sense, a protection order???? My mind was struggling to conceive how this could be obtained. I loved my little baby and, working from home, saw her often during the day. I had bottle fed her, burped her and generally dotted over her. In all the years I had known my wife we had had a couple of big arguments and I had once slapped her when she was destroying my office, but this was a protection order? Isn’t that for men who are violent I asked myself!!!!

I rang a friend and they came to my place and read to me the six different orders served on me. As he read out my wife’s affidavit my head went into a spin as a story evolved of a man who had threatened to kill her, was conspiring to kill her, was raping her and attempted to suffocate her child. This man was allegedly me…..I began to vomit. Stress gripped my chest and the pain was overwhelming. I thought I was having a heart attack. I was rushed to hospital where it was discovered my mussels wouldn’t let go of food in my digestive tract. I went back home and I refused to leave that day. My Lawyer was attempting to get an urgent hearing as the eviction order was obtained illegally ( when the home is your work place you cannot be evicted) That night I could not sleep. I felt like I was in a different country, perhaps in Afghanistan under the rule of the Taliban, but not New Zealand. My house was the same but was no longer a castle and a sanctuary. How could this be happening to me? Why has my wife done this? Does she know what she has done? Will I see my daughter again? You want to call someone in authority because you know some unjust thing is in action but there is no one to call, you know you have become a pariah. The following day 2 police cars and 8 large policemen come to my home.

(to be continued)

Fri 10th March 2006

Child Support Debt

Filed under: Child Support,General — Scrap_The_CSA @ 10:57 pm

The politicians have a field day slaging off parents who owe money to Inland Revenue for Child Support. Who are these “deadbeat dads” these “irresponsible parents”? I’d like to introduce you too some of them. I’ll let you judge if it’s the dads that are deadbeat or the Child Support Act 1991 and its administration by Inland Revenue that creates the problem.

For about six years I have been recording data on the parents who have come to me with Child Support issues.There are two recurrent themes, Debt and administrative reviews.

This is the first of a series of articles that looks at how parents get into debt with IRD.

John was in his forties and had a child support debt; this debt was a result of changes made to the Child Support Act in 2000 when assessment was shifted from being based on your earnings from two years ago to being estimated on your current earnings.

To do this IRD had to take your income figures to December and extrapolate this through to 31 March of the following year. If you received more income than expected for the period the figures would be adjusted in June/July and a reassessment notice issued. If you have the spare money (and how many separated parents do?) you can pay within x number of days if not you would be advised that you have a child support debt.

While all this is going on, John changes jobs and his income for the current year is has dropped by 9%. John had no option about changing his job; it was a fixed term contract. Come June, John is in debt to the tune of $1500. IRD tell John, who is committed to keeping a 3 bedroom home for the Jim (7) and Jane (9) who stay with day every Friday and Saturday night, that the minimum they will accept is $20 dollars per week until the debt is paid. The budget prepared by the Budget Advisory Service, shows that at most John could afford $5 per week, IRD don’t accept that. They tell John he can change his living arrangements and move to smaller rented accommodation — this would mean that John could only have one of his children visit at a time!

John is in the worse place any man (or woman can) be, he’s in debt to the tax man. John is just keeping his head above water and is so stressed by IRD’s collection mafia that he can’t see any light at the end of the tunnel. Its not only IRD staff who are bridge jumpers!

Five months later John was paying IRD $10 per week and the debt was still showing as increasing on his statements. IRD had agreed to waive penalties, both incremental and initial, but try getting a reconciliation that adds up out of them it is near impossible!

John is still paying off the debt created by a flawed Child Support Act. The kids still come and stay every weekend and he, and his accountant mate, still cant reconcile his child support statement.

IRD figures show about 23,000 parents put into debt by reassessment each year, through no fault of their own.

Over the next few weeks I will post more examples of the systemic failure of the Child Support Act 1991.

Feel free to leave your comments on Child Support Debt-You would be surprised who reads these pages.



Dyson condems mother****ing sons

Filed under: General,Sex Abuse / CYF — JohnPotter @ 10:18 pm

This sounds vaugely familiar…

Minister for Senior Citizens Ruth Dyson has condemned New Zealand society for allowing elder sex abuse and other harm of the elderly to flourish nationwide.

Ms Dyson was speaking following reports in Wairarapa and across the country of sons committing forced incest with their elderly mothers.

“There is stigma for the elderly women who are victims but nobody should accept being raped. ”

Grey Power national president Graham Stairmand said he was aware of elder sexual abuse through anecdotal and “occasional information”.

The original Wairarapa Times-Age story Sexual abuse by family members, says:

Elder abuse, including sexual abuse, is an evil and growing trend.

Sons committing incest with their elderly mothers in Wairarapa are part of a silent and increasing pattern of elder abuse across New Zealand, says Heather Evans, regional elder abuse and neglect prevention co-ordinator.

Ms Evans has worked as a social worker out of Turret House Social Services in Featherston for 14 years and first became aware of the incestuous abuse of an elderly Wairarapa woman about two years ago.

Last year Ms Evans became involved with two other similar cases in the region where dependent and vulnerable women were living with their sons in a “miserable and horrifying marriage of inconvenience”.

In each case the husbands had died sometime earlier, she said.

“The men are all in their late forties, all white, and all struggling to find work. Two have never married and one has divorced and returned to the family home.

Besides one of the men, known to mental health, and one woman “on the fringes of dementia” the other sons and their mothers seemed of sound mind and intellect, she said.

One of the women was almost 80 years of age and the other two are older again, she said.

“If I know of three cases, how many are out there going completely unreported. There’s a definite increasing pattern emerging here in Wairarapa and across the country,” she said.

I know! lets employ a whole lot of young would-be counsellors to look for old ladies and help them remember being raped by their sons. Perhaps the government should offer generous compensation.

This sounds like it could be the tip of the iceberg!

None of the cases have been reported to police, Ms Evans said, as each of the women refused to pursue prosecution for fear of their sons being jailed.

Wed 8th March 2006

Tell ya something!

Filed under: General — PGRoy @ 10:39 pm

I read Als comments about international womens day, what a day of “celebration” it is, for women, and I look forward to international mens day…yehaa bring it on.

I just have some thoughts on some things I notice:

I’m a music nut, love videos of music. Ever noticed how many vids over the last few years depict women throwing stuff around rooms, or beating up on boys/men?

I did.

I like music TV, not a fan for regular TV, watch how the men get treated on some british soaps, and local ones.

The ads are shockers, leave the dead meat behind and get a younger one, look at the loveable dopes, but at least we are good with tools, we love them at christmas and birthdays, no jems or jewels, no overseas trips no flings on far off shores. Socks are good!

Yup TV has an off button…. thats why I’m typing.

Sun 5th March 2006


Filed under: General — Downunder @ 11:25 pm


“I don’t think anyone should have to put up with what I had to put up with this week.”

So you will be closing the family court next week minister?


Filed under: General — Downunder @ 1:37 pm

Former police minister George Hawkins wants a change to abortion laws to ensure women who have multiple abortions get counselling on contraception and sterilisation.

Stuff Link: http://www.stuff.co.nz/stuff/0,2106,3592112a6160,00.html

Mr Hawkins says he supports a woman’s right to have an abortion but is disturbed by figures that show that in 2004 more than 2000 women were seeking a third abortion.

It is somewhat paradoxical that historically our social freedom often relied on the virility to kill the enemy; now in a secure society it should for women rely on their ability to abort our future.

The ability to choose if and when we should procreate is a freedom that differentiates us from any other reproducing life form on the planet, yet beyond any degree of irresponsibility around that power to create a life we have granted individuals the authority to end a life.

Abortion is irresponsibility upon irresponsibility.

If you parallel this against another article

Stuff Link: http://www.stuff.co.nz/stuff/0,2106,3593849a10,00.html

The woman who killed Wairarapa toddler Hinewaoriki “Lillybing” Karaitiana-Matiaha in one of the country’s most appalling child abuse cases says she smoked P and downloaded porn on her cellphone in jail.

Perhaps women have a selfish perception as to where freedom ends and responsibility starts.

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