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Thu 22nd June 2006

Publication of Proceedings

Filed under: General — Paul Catton @ 10:06 pm

Dear John,

Keep it Legal
The content of any post is solely the responsibility of the poster. You may register using a psuedonym if you want your identity kept secret, however your email address (which is never displayed) must be valid. You are encouraged to discuss your experiences in the Family Court, but if you do you MUST NOT include any information which identifies you or your children. Be aware that MENZ will cooperate with authorities in supplying copies of posts and any information we have concerning the identity of a poster (ie: I’m not prepared to go to jail to protect your identity!).

My identity is far from being protected, I have been bandied around in the International Media as a wife and child batterer of 22 years SWEDEN KICKS OUT SHAUN
SHAUN IN THE MEDIA AGAIN
I have made application to the Family Court to publish all aspects of this case which makes “Kramer v Kramer” look like a veritable tea party as I am constantly being usurped, defamed, marginalised and generally shafted by unethical legal workers and Judiciary, which include Judith Surgenor who lied to Judge David Mather and continues in promoting hostility to further her sows purse, Judge David Mather whom I have publicly called incompetent,biased or corrupt. I reiterate my objections to this pioneer of the socialist experiment of the DVA1995.
Diane Ransfield who has been Counsel For Child in this ongoing saga shares legal premises with Counsel for Mother.
Same Telephone, Same fax, Same pillow talk, Any independance?????
The Perjurious Family that I am continually having to defend against are continually being shielded by the Court and my insistence for the Court to utilise it’s obligatory powers are dismissed offhand as they wont investigate or prosecute.
I will state for this record that I have been described as a person who disrespects Authority yet the opposite is evident, my Uncle, whom was revered as a Senior Superindent of Police, Awarded the DSM and a MBE for his services to “Her Majesty” in Policing.
He is completely aghast to what has transpired in this Country that we are fortunate or infortunate to call home.
To date I have not revealed any nitty gritty details of my sufferings for the past 22 years althouh Judge Ida Malosi thinks contrary, watch this space, subject to John P.

Tue 20th June 2006

Off topic, but thanx.

Filed under: General — julie @ 1:03 pm

I have gained so much information and insight from males on this site and I want to tell you as many other people may do or forget to do, “Thank-you.”

From having the opportunity to sit with the North Shore mens group, I can see you really help not just a father and child but a person to find a way to have a chance to be what is important, being thier own life.

I could tell each one individually how special you are but it is what you do together that makes such a difference. You guys don’t do what you do for money, for you do things in your own personal time which you have a right to be selfish with.

What was so impressional to me was the fact that you do not lay blame, for you ask others what their part was and challenge thier fathering role. Not only that, but you give reality to men that may want to deny their women are serious and willing to use the Domestic Violence as a weapon.

Oh my God, you have taught me that I have brought upon myself the reactions I received from my ex-husband. I never saw my actions as encouraging violence until now. I used to put things down to outside influence like alcohol and drugs thinking that you and I were from different worlds but I now see that having a male come home to a house where his woman says, “You can’t come in, because I don’t want you here” is so outrageous. How would I feel working hard and being told in an instance that I am not allowed to enter my home, that I should sleep in my car and somehow in an instant start a life all over again. And then on top of that a huge chunk of my money is taken away from me. You are better than the best for continuing on against all the odds. You put up with us women and I can’t believe that you even want to know us.

I know I am a woman that you guys would normally see as the enemy but I have changed my thinking and I intend to change other women’s thinking.

What was so outrageous last night is that I was under the impression that I had cancelled last night and a friend who has never been into religion said to me, “Maybe God has something in plan for you.” A higher power is neccessary in addiction problems but not God. And then a knock on the door. If that sounds out of it then you know how I feel. But I received more than I hoped for.

So I want to thank you Paul C, Jim Bagnell, Jim Bailey, Dave L, Kerry, Murray, John P, Bevan, Stephen, Intrepid, Starr, Leon, Paul M, Mark, James and the all of you that care for mens issues because without you 300,000 children are without their fathers today and my boys won’t have even the slightest chance.

julie

This is the kind of misandry our socialist-feminzt government signs up to.

Filed under: General — Stephen @ 3:50 am

This shocking and very alarming comment from the United nations website -

The United Nations defines domestic violence as: “the use of force or threats of force by a husband or boyfriend for the purpose of coercing and intimidating a woman into submission.

Notice what’s missing? Yeah, Of course you do.
It’s the other half of domestic violence - that perpetrated by women on men globally.

Look for yourself. I scoured the whole site and could find nowhere ANY acknowledgement that women also commit domestic violence.

So there it is people - YOUR TAX MONEY IS BEING USED TO DEMONISE MEN, and concrete evidence the UN has been captured by a bunch of feminazzi zealeots.

Class action lawsuit on behalf of the injured party (males) against the NZ Gov’t and UN anyone?
Or will the blokes there roll over and get shafted again?

Er, Mr Robertson. Didn’t you miss something?

Filed under: General — Stephen @ 3:36 am

Scottish survey finds male abuse approval
Source: BBC
More than half of women questioned at a Glasgow university said they approved of wives hitting their husbands. The Glasgow Caledonian students were among 6,500 women surveyed from 36 universities for an international study into attitudes on domestic violence. Of the 200 women, 60% said it was acceptable for women to hit their husbands while 35% admitted assaulting their partner. A total of 8% admitted injuring them - the highest rate in the study.

HEY NEV, HOW ABOUT CONDUCTING A SIMILAR STUDY AT WAIKATO UNI?

Mon 19th June 2006

Judge speaks up on Family Court criticisms

Filed under: General, Law & Courts — domviol @ 9:06 pm

Judge speaks up on Family Court criticisms

Saturday June 10, 2006
By Chris Barton

Graeme MacCormick retired as Family Court judge in December after serving 15 years on the bench. Here are his views on men’s groups’ protests.

Will judges be intimidated by the men’s groups’ protests?

I do not perceive the judges of the court will be in the least influenced in their decision-making by any protest outside their homes. They have a job to do on behalf of the community. The children whose lives are affected are the children of their birth parents and also children of the community.

What often seems to get overlooked in criticisms of the Family Court is that the originating problems brought to it are not of the court’s making. There are frequently power and control issues between the birth parents or between them and subsequent caregivers.

Many in the men’s groups vent a lot of anger. What’s behind this?

Anger is a natural emotion which shows other people our boundaries. It is precisely where our boundaries lie and the way we deal with our anger that counts. Anger that is not properly dealt with too often leads to physical outbursts and assaults and is, quite frequently, a feature of the more difficult Family Court cases.

Where I think men - as a broad generalisation - find themselves disadvantaged is when women have been the primary caregivers before separation and men have been the primary providers.

When the relationship breaks down and the woman tries to hold on to her role to the substantial exclusion of her former husband or partner, then the father is left with resort to the Family Court, which is not always resourced to be able to respond as quickly as the father - or indeed the court - would like. Nor might the outcome be exactly what either partner wants, depending on the circumstances and the perceived welfare and best interests - and views - of the child or children. Those are the determining factors with the law as it stands.

The protesters want equal parenting as the default position of the court in decisions about the care of children. What’s your view of that?

I question whether they are going about that in the right way. They need to convince a majority of members of parliament of the need for a law change and that it will be best for children. Men’s groups would need good research to back their position.

In the meantime, the judges of the court will try to apply the law, as it stands. It seems to me there is little point in attacking judges as a body for doing that.

I doubt that you are likely to achieve change by targeting the wrong people. Good, positive time with both birth parents, subject to issues of physical and emotional safety, is clearly the ideal. In an increasing number of cases that is equal time.

But sometimes extreme, ongoing conflict between birth parents, both locked in a battle over their children that they become ever more determined to win, makes this impossible to achieve.

Sometimes children have had so much conflict in their lives, without being able to see an end to it, that very occasionally and as a last resort a choice may need to be made for care by one birth parent to the exclusion of the other, hopefully temporary.

Men’s groups say the court grants protection orders against men too easily.

There have also been complaints, on behalf of women, that “without notice” applications for protection orders under the Domestic Violence Act were not being granted readily enough and that too many were being placed “on notice”, with significant physical risk to women and children. This demonstrates the difficulty of satisfying everybody. When temporary protection orders are made without notice, in perceived situations of a threat to safety, and when children are involved, the court is increasingly scheduling a review of the temporary order within one or two weeks.

Men’s groups also complain about mothers making false testimony to the court.

For “false testimony” one can often substitute “a different perspective or perception”. If there is genuinely false testimony before the court and it is not acknowledged or corrected and it is material provided with intent to deceive the court, this can clearly ground a prosecution for perjury. On occasion, the Family Court will refer a matter of perceived perjury to the police for consideration of prosecution. Anything in the nature of deliberately false evidence or misleading testimony will almost inevitably be counter-productive to the position of the person on whose behalf it is provided.

The protesters say they are targeting lawyers because they lie to the court. Why would they make such claims?

This probably refers to the lawyer for the children, with whom dissatisfied litigants of both genders will frequently take issue. Their job is to represent the child or children independently of the parents or caregivers.

Their client is the child. But they are not meant to give evidence to the court - as opposed to making submissions based on the evidence.

It is, however, normal for the lawyer for the child to advise a child’s views and the child’s instructions, if the child is able to provide them. That may not be exactly what the child has said to his or her parents.

What do you think of the men’s groups’ tactics?

Men’s groups can frequently be helpful in providing a “McKenzie friend” or support person for a father acting on his own behalf. Likewise they fulfil a useful purpose in keeping before the public the importance of birth parents to children.

But Family Court judges are well aware of this and need no reminding. Men’s groups need to be carefully focused if they are not to be counter-productive.

I suspect that the protests may, in their targeting, say more about the protesters than about the operation of the court. If their intention is to embarrass, harass or intimidate might not similar traits and tactics have been factors in the breakdown of their marriage or relationship?

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Sun 18th June 2006

The Kahui Twins

Filed under: General — dpex @ 6:53 pm

What level of inhumanity must a person descend to that enables him/her to in any way just upset or deprive a child?

But what level of disgusting inhuman descent must one reach before seriously hitting a child is acceptable?

What level of inhumanity could enable any person to hit, with such ferocity as to kill and seriously injure, a three month old infant?

Cru Kahui is dead after just three months of life. His brother Chris is critically injured…three months old.

The perpetrator of this vile crime deserves to die, very slowly and painfully. If not for Cru and Chris, then for me and the billions, world-wide, who need to know justice for these little boys.

I don’t care for their reasons or excuses. The perpetrator’s act in this case is well beyond even normal revulsion levels.

You can bet CYFS will get pilloried for this. In this instance I wish to extend my support to CYFS. When the rocks begin to be thrown. How could you possibly have known that such an animal as the killer of this child existed, or could even begin to predict he/she would kill and seriously injure.

No. CYFS make a lot of bad mistakes, but this time they deserve our support in the event they attract blame; which they most assuredly will.

We know this pig will end up in prison. Let us hope the other prisoners do that which our society, in such extreme cases, should be doing, lawfully.

David.

Instant Dislocation

Filed under: General — dpex @ 6:23 pm

And now the Police want the power to issue ‘instant’ DVOs. It seems to me that this is yet another smoke-screen the police are using to ‘ease’ their work-load.

The concept being, Herbert The Violent (that’s the Herbert who has just beaten the tripes out his spouse or children) can be slung out on his ear and forced to stay away.

The concept appears, at first assessment, to have merit. But on second thoughts, the police already have a wide range of charges which they can use to contain a truly violent partner. For a proven assault, as opposed to, ‘My partner just said something man to me and I actually need him out of here before my ‘new’ partner arrives,’ the police can arrest and detain the perp…And so they should.

But now they want the job of judge and or jury by making instant assessments of a ’situation’ and handing out instant DVOs. That is NOT their task. Their task is to enforce laws, take appropriate actions in the circumstances, then leave matters to the court to decide an appropriate solution.

We must not allow this initiative to progress beyond the media.

Cheers
David.

femiNZt plans for kiwi guys - are you ready for this?

Filed under: General — Stephen @ 1:01 pm

This from Men’s rights activist Stephen Baskerville -

For the full text go to -

mensnewsdaily.com: Innocence is no excuse

“It is not difficult to see where this is going. In Britain, “special domestic violence courts” allow third parties such as civil servants and pressure groups to use “relaxed rules of evidence and the lower burden of proof” to bring actions against those they identify as batterers, even if no alleged “victim” comes forward (or even exists). “Victim support groups,” who say women “should be spared having to take legal action,” can now act in the name of an anonymous or purported plaintiff to seize the children, homes, and other property of men who have not been convicted of any crime. Similar “domestic violence courts” are being created in the United States and Canada, where “conviction rates have risen” and “guilty pleas are way up,” Mother Jones magazine enthuses. In other words, rigged trials and the certainty of conviction allow prosecutors to extort guilty pleas”.

Father, wherefore art thou?

Filed under: General — Stephen @ 12:42 pm

Here’s an excerpt from Kathleen Parker’s recent column.
Obviously there are still some women left who value fathering and don’t reckon it can be supplanted by the sisterhood.

“The even greater mystery is that men continue to sign up for the job, to sublimate themselves to the higher charge of being a father even in the face of a culture that belittles them. That’s what fathers do, of course: take the grief and keep on keeping on.

Which is why we love them”.

For the entire article go here.

Sat 17th June 2006

Thoughts on Chris Rock’s mind

Filed under: General — Stephen @ 12:28 pm

This recently from comedian / racaunteur Chris Rock -

Everybody takes Daddy for granted. Everything’s Mama. Dear Mama. Always loved my Mama. What’s the Daddy song? “Papa was a Rollin’ Stone.” Nobody appreciates Daddy.

Now, Mama’s got the roughest job. l ain’t gonna front. But at least people appreciate Mama. Every time Mama do something right, Mama gets a compliment… ’cause women need to hear compliments all the time.

Women need food, water, and compliments. That’s right. And an occasional pair of shoes. That’s right. Women got to hear it all the time, or they lose their minds.

And get Daddy to make sure you thank your Mama for everything. Tell your Mama how good the food is. Tell her how nice the house looks. Tell your Mama how nice her hair looks.

‘’Did you tell your Mama? You better go in there and tell your Mama!” That’s right. Tell your Mama! Tell your Mama! Tell your Mama!

Nobody ever tells Daddy sh*t.

I’m talking about the real daddies that handle their f**king business. Nobody ever says, ‘’Hey, Daddy, thanks for knocking out this rent! Hey, Daddy, l sure love this hot water! Hey, Daddy, this is easy to read with all this light!”

Nobody gives a f**k about Daddy. I’m talking about a daddy that handles his business. Think about everything that the real daddy does: pay the bills, buy the food, put a f**king roof over your head. Everything you could ever ask for. Make your world a better, safer place.

And what does Daddy get for all his work?

The big piece of chicken. That’s all Daddy gets.”

Happy Father’s Day!

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