I fear like many others that Bradford’s criminalising parents is simply another strand of her socialistic big state agenda. It seems she and her ilk are keen to see the state expand yet further with it’s bloated cronyist bureaucracy interfering into more and more aspects of ordinary peoples lives.

What is even more harrowing however is the prospect of the biological family being further supplanted by the state.
That’s a very scary scenario indeed which proponents of anti-smacking should think deeply about.
I notice news reports of a visiting scandinavian ‘expert’ extolling the virtues of Bradford’s bill and childless Clarke herself has chimed in efforts to soften folks up for the next social engineering push. Incidentally the marriage and fertility rate in Sweden has plumetted in recent years. Coincidence?

Mark my words. If this thing goes ahead you can look forward to unparralelled levels of state intrusion (more social workers, psychologists, paralegals, lawyers and state ‘educators’) and everyone living under the grim shadow of accusation.

I’ve lived under that kind of shadow as a man in NZ for many years and ultimately found it depressing and suffocating.
I’m heartily glad to be away from it.

As for teaching both inside and outside the classroom equating to ‘teaching hundreds’ each day - sophistry is no substitute for common sense and I still reckon you’re exaggerating despite your attempt to save face.
Typical liberal tactics too IMO.

By the way, teaching takes place both inside and outside the classrooms. And, I will continue the education- sans exaggeration.

It’s simply not possible for legal and commercial reasons for anyone teaching English here to teach that many kids in a day.
I don’t know of any private institutes where class sizes are larger than 10-12. Public schools may have as many as 40 in a class, but you’d need to teach 5 classes every day of those to merit teaching ‘hundreds each day’.

I reckon the deterrent effect of some teacher’s light smacking means some of thier colleagues can smugly capitalize on such disciplining by claiming they don’t need to use such management of students, when in fact the work’s been done for them by thier fellow teachers with more nouse.

Another point - sure there will always be the rare case of some teacher getting too heavy handed.
However I must agree with others in saying that again you appear to be trying the old trick of exagerating to make your case, and thus I don’t trust you as being credible.

There is a HUGE difference between the physical beatings you are describing and the “smack” administered by a parent.

The biggest issue here, from what I perceive, is that the State (in the form of Sue Bradford) is set on moving us one step closer to parents no longer raising their children other than in the manner proscribed by the State and, of course, consistent with the teachings of the State.

Sounds like communist Russia.

Tar-and-feather me if I’m wrong, but this doesn’t sound like a place someone who is “using their mind” would willingly go?

I am also aware, being here, of the outrageous incidents of male teachers BEATING students (females included) with fists and more, and being caught on cell-phones doing so. Not surprising I suppose that it would eventually go there.
This is why there is a movement away from, at the very least, letting others “SMACK” your children.
Logic demands that yes, if we cut off hands of burglars, burglary rates will decrease. But, once again, nations aren’t moving toward more physical violence in order to reduce crimes.

They are instead using their minds.

My point, once again, use your education and move away from such tactics, as so many others are. I cannot find any information on international exoduses toward it. Quite the opposite, thankfully- even your beloved South Korea.

I would wholeheartedly support any legal definition of ‘reasonable’, including for example, no implements of any kind, no bruises ( a red make that lasts 1/2 an hour is not a bruise), cuts, blood, etc.

But overarching all of this, is my golden recommendation for any seperated guy: don’t use physical punishment, as your ex might hold this in court against you.
In my case, if that means a child who runs rings around me, so be it. If she ends up in jail, I’ll blame her mother.