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		<title>By: Mark Shipman</title>
		<link>http://menz.org.nz/2006/ird-makes-its-own-rules/#comment-103358</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark Shipman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Oct 2006 23:20:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Civil Dissident,

I'm happy to be proven wrong, but I think you may have the wrong end of the stick.

When I write about tax, GST or CS, I generally address my correspondence to:

Commissioner of Inland Revenue,
Department of Inland Revenue,
Private Bag,
WELLINGTON.

No stamp is required for correspondence with any member of parliament or any government department.

A much bigger issue is whether you want a record of the correspondence being received by the department.

I generally take anything to do with the Department of IR (especially CS stuff) to one of their offices and ask for a receipt at the front counter. The reception person will photocopy the front page, date stamp it with the official Department of Inland Revenue stamp and give you the date-stamped copy.

In Auckland, this generally means a trip to Takapuna, but the receipt has proven invaluable on a number of occassions.

Stay healthy and happy,

Mark</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Civil Dissident,</p>
<p>I&#8217;m happy to be proven wrong, but I think you may have the wrong end of the stick.</p>
<p>When I write about tax, GST or CS, I generally address my correspondence to:</p>
<p>Commissioner of Inland Revenue,<br />
Department of Inland Revenue,<br />
Private Bag,<br />
WELLINGTON.</p>
<p>No stamp is required for correspondence with any member of parliament or any government department.</p>
<p>A much bigger issue is whether you want a record of the correspondence being received by the department.</p>
<p>I generally take anything to do with the Department of IR (especially CS stuff) to one of their offices and ask for a receipt at the front counter. The reception person will photocopy the front page, date stamp it with the official Department of Inland Revenue stamp and give you the date-stamped copy.</p>
<p>In Auckland, this generally means a trip to Takapuna, but the receipt has proven invaluable on a number of occassions.</p>
<p>Stay healthy and happy,</p>
<p>Mark</p>
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		<title>By: civil  dissident</title>
		<link>http://menz.org.nz/2006/ird-makes-its-own-rules/#comment-89701</link>
		<dc:creator>civil  dissident</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Sep 2006 21:47:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The  name  in  itself,  has  to  go!!!!!
 
 
 
The  name  "child  support"  is  a  government  order;  as if  it  is  implying  that  you  do  not  care  about  your  child  and  the  government  has  measures  to  "make  you  care  or  be  responsible"
 
DID  YOU  KNOW  ???
 
A.  Why  do  g.s.t  returns  and  other  tax  returns  not  require  a  45  cent  stamp  on  the  outside  envelope?
 
B.  Why  do  child  support  payments  do  require  a  45  cent  stamp  on  the  outside  envelope  ?
 
 
C.  answer:  Jenny  Shipley (National)  amended  the  law  to  make  B.  applicable  back  in  mid  90's..
 
 
Child  Support  imply's  that  you  are  removed  from  the  family  environment  altogether,  in  a  somewhat  clinical  nature.
 
HOWABOUT  A  FEW  IDEAS  TO  HUMANISE  THIS  VICIOUS  2ND CLASS  CITIZEN  DEPARTMENT  KNOWN  AS  "CHILD  SUPPORT"  (tentacle  of  IRD)   
THAT  MANY  FATHERS  HAVE  TO  BE  STIGMATISED  TO;  GIVE  US  BACK  OUR  DIGNITY,  THE  TERM  CHILD  SUPPORT  IS  DISGRACEFUL  AND  HAS  TO  GO.
 
(remember,  WINZ  formerly  had  a  makeover  from  the  name  "Social  welfare  dept.")
 
 
 
WHAT  COULD  THE  CHOICES  BE  FOR  AN  ALTERNATIVE  NAME  TO  CHILD  SUPPORT,  THAT  BRINGS  WITH  IT,  JUST  A  LITTLE  DIGNITY  THAT  IS  SEVERELY  LACKING.
 
 
My  choice:  
The  I.R.D.  Letter  head  should  read:   
"non-custodial  parent  payments"  (OR  THE  LIKE)
 
(it  let's  the  government  and   my  child  know  the  connection,  i  have  to  him,  i.e.  i  am  one  of  his  parents,  not  just  someone  of  no  concern  giving  a  donation)
people  who  pay  child  support  are  social  lepers,  we  need  to  be  recognised  as  parents  on  an  equal  footing  to  the  other  parent,  whereby  the  family  court
are  also  bound  by  the  IRD  to  protect  the  rights  of  both  parents)
 
 
CHANGE  THE  NAME  BEFORE  YOU  CHANGE  THE  INFRASTRUCTURE,  THE  THE  NAME  CAN  REFLECT  THE  GOOD  INTENDED.
IT  WILL  NOT  DO  THIS  WHILE  DUNNE  CAN  MAKE  A  MOCKERY  OF  FATHERS  BY  CHASING  THEM  FOR  CHILD  SUPPORT, 
 CHILD  SUPPORT  IS   DEROGATORY ,  JUST  AS  THE  WORD  NIGGER  OR  COON  IS  TO  A  COLOURED  PERSON. 
 
RESTORE  THE  RIGHTS  OF  THE  FATHER  NOW.
 
The  I.R.D.  Letter  head  should  read:   
"non-custodial  parent  payments"  (OR  THE  LIKE)
 
 
(respect  is  long  over-due)   OUTSIDE  YOUR  HOUSE  NEXT  DUNNE,  YOU  LEECH.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The  name  in  itself,  has  to  go!!!!!</p>
<p>The  name  &#8220;child  support&#8221;  is  a  government  order;  as if  it  is  implying  that  you  do  not  care  about  your  child  and  the  government  has  measures  to  &#8220;make  you  care  or  be  responsible&#8221;</p>
<p>DID  YOU  KNOW  ???</p>
<p>A.  Why  do  g.s.t  returns  and  other  tax  returns  not  require  a  45  cent  stamp  on  the  outside  envelope?</p>
<p>B.  Why  do  child  support  payments  do  require  a  45  cent  stamp  on  the  outside  envelope  ?</p>
<p>C.  answer:  Jenny  Shipley (National)  amended  the  law  to  make  B.  applicable  back  in  mid  90&#8217;s..</p>
<p>Child  Support  imply&#8217;s  that  you  are  removed  from  the  family  environment  altogether,  in  a  somewhat  clinical  nature.</p>
<p>HOWABOUT  A  FEW  IDEAS  TO  HUMANISE  THIS  VICIOUS  2ND CLASS  CITIZEN  DEPARTMENT  KNOWN  AS  &#8220;CHILD  SUPPORT&#8221;  (tentacle  of  IRD)<br />
THAT  MANY  FATHERS  HAVE  TO  BE  STIGMATISED  TO;  GIVE  US  BACK  OUR  DIGNITY,  THE  TERM  CHILD  SUPPORT  IS  DISGRACEFUL  AND  HAS  TO  GO.</p>
<p>(remember,  WINZ  formerly  had  a  makeover  from  the  name  &#8220;Social  welfare  dept.&#8221;)</p>
<p>WHAT  COULD  THE  CHOICES  BE  FOR  AN  ALTERNATIVE  NAME  TO  CHILD  SUPPORT,  THAT  BRINGS  WITH  IT,  JUST  A  LITTLE  DIGNITY  THAT  IS  SEVERELY  LACKING.</p>
<p>My  choice:<br />
The  I.R.D.  Letter  head  should  read:<br />
&#8220;non-custodial  parent  payments&#8221;  (OR  THE  LIKE)</p>
<p>(it  let&#8217;s  the  government  and   my  child  know  the  connection,  i  have  to  him,  i.e.  i  am  one  of  his  parents,  not  just  someone  of  no  concern  giving  a  donation)<br />
people  who  pay  child  support  are  social  lepers,  we  need  to  be  recognised  as  parents  on  an  equal  footing  to  the  other  parent,  whereby  the  family  court<br />
are  also  bound  by  the  IRD  to  protect  the  rights  of  both  parents)</p>
<p>CHANGE  THE  NAME  BEFORE  YOU  CHANGE  THE  INFRASTRUCTURE,  THE  THE  NAME  CAN  REFLECT  THE  GOOD  INTENDED.<br />
IT  WILL  NOT  DO  THIS  WHILE  DUNNE  CAN  MAKE  A  MOCKERY  OF  FATHERS  BY  CHASING  THEM  FOR  CHILD  SUPPORT,<br />
 CHILD  SUPPORT  IS   DEROGATORY ,  JUST  AS  THE  WORD  NIGGER  OR  COON  IS  TO  A  COLOURED  PERSON. </p>
<p>RESTORE  THE  RIGHTS  OF  THE  FATHER  NOW.</p>
<p>The  I.R.D.  Letter  head  should  read:<br />
&#8220;non-custodial  parent  payments&#8221;  (OR  THE  LIKE)</p>
<p>(respect  is  long  over-due)   OUTSIDE  YOUR  HOUSE  NEXT  DUNNE,  YOU  LEECH.</p>
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		<title>By: julie</title>
		<link>http://menz.org.nz/2006/ird-makes-its-own-rules/#comment-81411</link>
		<dc:creator>julie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Sep 2006 05:52:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Keith, 

I am not trained as such in the mental health field. Have friends who are but I am very knowledgable from life experience and through others in similar situations. 

I can understand not being able to see the light at the end of the tunnel. I used to find it hard swallowing the positive words like, "Once you get through you'll grow as a person" etc, etc. 

And funny enough, after getting to the end of the tunnel I now tell people the same thing but with different words because it has happened to me. 

The solution is that time continually moves forward and even when we are so depressed we can't even seem to do the little things in life, time ticks on.

Then just one day (after what feels like forever) you feel a little stronger and the next a little more stronger and then you get to a place within yourself where you are grateful to do the little things. Your attitude starts to change because you become appreciative of just  simply being capable and the huge weight starts to lift and you find yourself smiling at others, finding comfort in a conversation , even with strangers and then before you know it your life is bringing a whole new story, and with it new happiness.

It is always sad as you will know that people kill themselves because they just can't cope with the helplessness, the negative feelings and don't think it is possible for things to change. But everything and everyone is continuously changing. 

I can now understand why you are making good decisions for yourself. I guess it must feel funny and challenging to take your own advice. 

Are you a Psychologist or aid or do you work in the field of addiction? That is where most of my experience comes from.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Keith, </p>
<p>I am not trained as such in the mental health field. Have friends who are but I am very knowledgable from life experience and through others in similar situations. </p>
<p>I can understand not being able to see the light at the end of the tunnel. I used to find it hard swallowing the positive words like, &#8220;Once you get through you&#8217;ll grow as a person&#8221; etc, etc. </p>
<p>And funny enough, after getting to the end of the tunnel I now tell people the same thing but with different words because it has happened to me. </p>
<p>The solution is that time continually moves forward and even when we are so depressed we can&#8217;t even seem to do the little things in life, time ticks on.</p>
<p>Then just one day (after what feels like forever) you feel a little stronger and the next a little more stronger and then you get to a place within yourself where you are grateful to do the little things. Your attitude starts to change because you become appreciative of just  simply being capable and the huge weight starts to lift and you find yourself smiling at others, finding comfort in a conversation , even with strangers and then before you know it your life is bringing a whole new story, and with it new happiness.</p>
<p>It is always sad as you will know that people kill themselves because they just can&#8217;t cope with the helplessness, the negative feelings and don&#8217;t think it is possible for things to change. But everything and everyone is continuously changing. </p>
<p>I can now understand why you are making good decisions for yourself. I guess it must feel funny and challenging to take your own advice. </p>
<p>Are you a Psychologist or aid or do you work in the field of addiction? That is where most of my experience comes from.</p>
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		<title>By: keith</title>
		<link>http://menz.org.nz/2006/ird-makes-its-own-rules/#comment-81409</link>
		<dc:creator>keith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Sep 2006 05:07:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>thanks julie for the helpful information.I am not mad ;just sad ;which can be quite incapacitating;but I am still capable of working.It is the ;no visible light at the end of the tunnel that gets me down.You seeem quite knowledgable.Are you per chance occupied in the mental health field;if you don't mind answering publicly?I have trained there and now am a client instead.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>thanks julie for the helpful information.I am not mad ;just sad ;which can be quite incapacitating;but I am still capable of working.It is the ;no visible light at the end of the tunnel that gets me down.You seeem quite knowledgable.Are you per chance occupied in the mental health field;if you don&#8217;t mind answering publicly?I have trained there and now am a client instead.</p>
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		<title>By: Bevan Berg</title>
		<link>http://menz.org.nz/2006/ird-makes-its-own-rules/#comment-81408</link>
		<dc:creator>Bevan Berg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Sep 2006 05:07:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Starr
http://menz.org.nz/2006/pretend-minister-dunne/#comments</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Starr<br />
<a href="http://menz.org.nz/2006/pretend-minister-dunne/#comments" rel="nofollow">http://menz.org.nz/2006/pretend-minister-dunne/#comments</a></p>
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		<title>By: starr</title>
		<link>http://menz.org.nz/2006/ird-makes-its-own-rules/#comment-81401</link>
		<dc:creator>starr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Sep 2006 01:53:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Bevan re: #5
don't have any number at the bottom right hand corner of the page...
in fact after the closing salutation there is nothing...

Only a "Our Reference Number:..." is on the subject line at the top left.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Bevan re: #5<br />
don&#8217;t have any number at the bottom right hand corner of the page&#8230;<br />
in fact after the closing salutation there is nothing&#8230;</p>
<p>Only a &#8220;Our Reference Number:&#8230;&#8221; is on the subject line at the top left.</p>
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		<title>By: SNMP</title>
		<link>http://menz.org.nz/2006/ird-makes-its-own-rules/#comment-81399</link>
		<dc:creator>SNMP</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Sep 2006 00:37:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well I have just got off the phone with IRD and it has yet again enforced the complete inability of the department to the point they are a living joke.
I rang with a very simple question, why have I received yesterday a new child support calculation. Now I know all about the July true up Blar Blar Blar (As I have been in this roundabout for 14 years) and got a new calculation about a month ago (which of course they deny) which tells me the new amount that has to be paid by my ex, which she has paid due to the extra amount that I received into my account the other day (which they also have no record of). Now do you think IRD can find any record of the letter the sent me in August for the true up.. The answer is NO. They deny it’s total existence even though I have it in front of me while I was on the phone and offered to fax it to them. But of course they did not want me to do that… Why I have no idea.
Why can’t this department actually employ intelligent people, I even had to tell this one how to find my information on there system, which concerns me in to ways. One why do I know there system (because I sure don’t want too) and secondly why don’t they know there system (because that dam well should do)
Well my rant for the day, have a good one all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well I have just got off the phone with IRD and it has yet again enforced the complete inability of the department to the point they are a living joke.<br />
I rang with a very simple question, why have I received yesterday a new child support calculation. Now I know all about the July true up Blar Blar Blar (As I have been in this roundabout for 14 years) and got a new calculation about a month ago (which of course they deny) which tells me the new amount that has to be paid by my ex, which she has paid due to the extra amount that I received into my account the other day (which they also have no record of). Now do you think IRD can find any record of the letter the sent me in August for the true up.. The answer is NO. They deny it’s total existence even though I have it in front of me while I was on the phone and offered to fax it to them. But of course they did not want me to do that… Why I have no idea.<br />
Why can’t this department actually employ intelligent people, I even had to tell this one how to find my information on there system, which concerns me in to ways. One why do I know there system (because I sure don’t want too) and secondly why don’t they know there system (because that dam well should do)<br />
Well my rant for the day, have a good one all.</p>
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		<title>By: julie</title>
		<link>http://menz.org.nz/2006/ird-makes-its-own-rules/#comment-81335</link>
		<dc:creator>julie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Aug 2006 08:08:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Keith, 

From reading legal proceedings and IRD documents I can tell you that you can be sick through mental illness and leave you job which means your child support payments will change to suit your income. 

The law states that you as a parent must fulfill your duty as a parent to the best of your ability and that even when you are not the day-to-day caregiver you must act as if you were. That is not the actual law but a  close interpretation. 

What it is saying is that you are meant to be a provider as if you were still living and providing everything. Being sick, mentally or physically is out of your control and if it were to happen when you had the children it would still be out of your control so they will change child support to suit. But you need to have doctor's certificates and if possible councellors too. 

You need to talk to the experts on this subject, James or Mark from Parents for Children. 
Check out this page
http://www.menz.org.nz/Information/childsup.htm</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Keith, </p>
<p>From reading legal proceedings and IRD documents I can tell you that you can be sick through mental illness and leave you job which means your child support payments will change to suit your income. </p>
<p>The law states that you as a parent must fulfill your duty as a parent to the best of your ability and that even when you are not the day-to-day caregiver you must act as if you were. That is not the actual law but a  close interpretation. </p>
<p>What it is saying is that you are meant to be a provider as if you were still living and providing everything. Being sick, mentally or physically is out of your control and if it were to happen when you had the children it would still be out of your control so they will change child support to suit. But you need to have doctor&#8217;s certificates and if possible councellors too. </p>
<p>You need to talk to the experts on this subject, James or Mark from Parents for Children.<br />
Check out this page<br />
<a href="http://www.menz.org.nz/Information/childsup.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.menz.org.nz/Information/childsup.htm</a></p>
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		<title>By: Bevan Berg</title>
		<link>http://menz.org.nz/2006/ird-makes-its-own-rules/#comment-81305</link>
		<dc:creator>Bevan Berg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Aug 2006 06:33:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>and where does our child support go...

Parliamentary Questions released by ACT Social Services Spokesman, Heather Roy, reveal that ten people caught defrauding the Domestic Purposes Benefit owe debts totalling $1,556,010.72, with the largest single debt being $200,934.31.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>and where does our child support go&#8230;</p>
<p>Parliamentary Questions released by ACT Social Services Spokesman, Heather Roy, reveal that ten people caught defrauding the Domestic Purposes Benefit owe debts totalling $1,556,010.72, with the largest single debt being $200,934.31.</p>
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		<title>By: Bevan Berg</title>
		<link>http://menz.org.nz/2006/ird-makes-its-own-rules/#comment-81304</link>
		<dc:creator>Bevan Berg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Aug 2006 06:29:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And we should feel bad about fighting the injustice of child support.

quote: Parliamentary questions released by ACT Social Services Spokesman, Heather Roy, show that ten people caught defrauding the Unemployment Benefit owe debts totalling $1,256,102.28, with the largest single debt at $174,686.90.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And we should feel bad about fighting the injustice of child support.</p>
<p>quote: Parliamentary questions released by ACT Social Services Spokesman, Heather Roy, show that ten people caught defrauding the Unemployment Benefit owe debts totalling $1,256,102.28, with the largest single debt at $174,686.90.</p>
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