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Men in one part of the world are now finally getting something nz men are still lacking
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Tue 31st October 2006
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and like always NZ will be the last to adopt anything. First they will stand by and watch to see what happens at the expense of fathers and kids still suffering.
Comment by starR — Tue 31st October 2006 @ 6:11 pm
then they will spend 10years trying to adopt.
Comment by starR — Tue 31st October 2006 @ 6:13 pm
Good post Stephen and thank-you,
I remember when you were dumbfounded about my telling you things women did but it is now our turn to be dumbfounded.
I cannot understand that this sort of stuff is only happening today. I have so many women telling me they couldn’t believe the stuff going on 10 years ago and I keep asking them, “Why didn’t you say something?” But then I realise just like me they presumed men always had rights and that women were just trying to be equal to men.
Do you know that the women have always been relying on you and at the same time they have been peeling your skin off piece by piece.
Do you know, the more I learn, the more admiration I have for you AND Jim Bailey.
StarR,
It’s good to see your writing. But why are you so negative????
Comment by julie — Tue 31st October 2006 @ 6:52 pm
Probably he is negative because he is all to familiar with some women who don’t keep their word, and find lots of time to follow their desires and not their responibilities. You are burning a bridge here Julie.
Comment by Intrepid — Tue 31st October 2006 @ 7:12 pm
Dear Intrepid,
Tsk, tsk, tsk. (naughty)
You jumped the gun. I was only this very second e-mailing you.
Comment by julie — Tue 31st October 2006 @ 8:04 pm
Hi Julie
Although it appears so, I am Not being negative but realistic. Having worked previously in the Gov’t organisations in NZ, My comments are based on the timelines it took for these organisations to accept and then adopt and act on a good idea even when it was blaringly obvious.
Comment by starR — Tue 31st October 2006 @ 9:01 pm
StarR,
That is the stuff I want to know. The way I am seeing things I have figured out the answer which I am sure you and everyone figured out a long time ago but it seems you have continuously and still continuously hit a brick wall.
I am trying to understand what this brick wall is and how making a policy works.
I get the idea that someone in Parliaiment puts forward a bill (say from United Future or the Moari Party) and then it has to go through 3 readings, then to the select committe where everyone gets a say. (I have that side pretty figured out) but I don’t know what happens after that?
Does it get passed after the 3 readings and the select committee is basically where the public get to give their opinion so that the lawyers who write the policy cover all aspects.
Then is it “Bang” law and we as all the people can start using it?
Comment by julie — Wed 1st November 2006 @ 9:17 am
Oh, I hadn’t considered the Republic Party. Sorry. (sincerely)
But if anyone wants to discuss how you intend to bring in men’s rights, I would be interested.
Comment by julie — Wed 1st November 2006 @ 12:11 pm
basically juile the brickwall is
“that it was the way things were 150 years ago and one must not make hasty changes.”
Comment by starR — Wed 1st November 2006 @ 9:57 pm
starR,
That was a perfect answer… Yes, I can see that. But do you think it is time to challenge that????
Comment by julie — Thu 2nd November 2006 @ 9:05 pm
been challenging these types of organisations for a very long time. until people with a willingness to adopt change in positions of responsibility change only then will progress be made.
Comment by starR — Thu 2nd November 2006 @ 9:17 pm
starR,
I didn’t know that about you. But tell me… is today any differnet from yesterday when you were trying? I am no heroine myself but just trying to give back to society what it has given to me (without all this PC so I was helped alot) but should i just forget about it. I have no probelm to tell NZ it is fucked up and take my boys to Aussie. I mean we both know that there is so much more opportunity in Aussie.
By the way do you live in the Eastern Suburbs of Melbourne. (I am not wanting anything from you just interested from one of your posts)
Comment by julie — Thu 2nd November 2006 @ 9:40 pm
Julie,
What happens before a Bill hits the house is the important part!
All goverment departments have a policy development section that exists to push their view to law. Thats what you may have heard of as “officals”.
For example Tax Changes to the Child Tax Act that have recently been seen took over 6 years to get to the House in the form of legislation.
Regard
Scrap
Regards
Scrap
Comment by Scrap_The_CSA — Fri 3rd November 2006 @ 1:58 pm
Scrap,
So basically, it is about putting pressure on the officials?
Saw Peter Jackson (Lord of the Rings) on TV this morning saying that he gets fear during the making of movies and that it is positive. So I do believe today is different from yesterday and that something can be done. Just don’t want a son in a body bag.
But, It is not about one or two people but a whole global network.
And there are so many good people in NZ already fighting with no financial pay-off.
This can be done!!!!!!
Comment by julie — Fri 3rd November 2006 @ 6:23 pm
HI Julie
In WA at the mo.
What perked your interest?.. from my postings I mean.
and to answer” is the situation any more different today?”; yes it is even more feminised and people are scared to even be seen to siding any changes which may remotely seem to challenge previous thoughts. If the silence is at the expense of a large group of sufferers so what as long as they are seen to be conforming and playing “good dog”, that’s what matters to them. At the mo we have a kiwi society which instead of encouraging moving forward and expanding our frontiers, they would rather hold back those who even try. A lot of bullcrap bureaucracy if you ask me and not enough of “getting things done” attitude.
Comment by starR — Mon 6th November 2006 @ 7:25 pm
Hi StarR,
Your post about Bayswater interested me and the Salvation Army. I was going to ask you what it was like there now as I have not been back for some time. I thought NZ was better because it was smaller so stayed but the reason my ex and I came here was because of the massive union strike back in the early 90’s.
Anyhow, I used to live in WA also but that is a whole other story.
As for siding, well, everyone one knows whose side I am on and they have no problem with it. Infact, I am the lucky one. Women are much more difficult, moan more, expect way more and can’t even figure out themselves what they want. But men just get on with it, are respectful, grateful and so on and so on and so on.
I might be niave and honest but I am no way silly.
Comment by julie — Tue 7th November 2006 @ 2:31 pm
Ant dowry and Domestic Violence laws are used more often than not for immigration, monetary and property rights by unscrupulous women in India and this is happening in massive scale–one in five house hold in Delhi(same size as whole of NZ)!
The National Human Rights Commission (NHRC)-India today suggested before the Delhi High Court that police change its way of investigating dowry related cases to ensure that no “innocent” is lodged in jail.
Recommending that “police needs to review its routine in conducting investigations in dowry cases to ensure that it is not misused,” theNHRC submitted a report before a Division Bench of Justices.
Appearing for NHRC several people, including small children and very old people, have been lodged in jail in dowry related cases, which is one of the reasons for overcrowding in the prison.
Group like Shakti are known to provoke South Indian ladies to file DV cases in NZ AND THEREBY assuring her with RESIDENCY, CUSTODY and PROPERTY Rights at the cost of TAX PAYERS!!No need to say that this unscrupulous woman obtained spouse visa on fraud and group SHAKTI was aware of it! This lady is hiding now in dark corner in India with two KIWI children and managed to get custody of children from corrupt Indian lower court-ex party based on fake testimonials given by SHAKTI group. Authorities need to investigate these fake and fraudulent claims supported by SHAKTI!
Beware of SHAKTI group and its hidden agendas.Author is willing to share common LIVE platform with a single official form SHAKTI to prove his claims if it is to be shown LIVE/Unedited across NZ!!
http://www.majebal.org
Comment by shashi — Tue 6th November 2007 @ 7:38 am
Some affirmative action is required to change laws, Fathers4Justice type activities, nothing will change if we are “gooddogs”, individuals will always be helpless against the state, but even small actions by a significant group WILL change the status quo
Comment by swashy — Tue 6th November 2007 @ 10:30 am
The point by Shashi is provocative and I am well familiar with a case where a NZ law firm on the evidence I saw, without knowing the final results of the case heavily capitalised off property of transnational laws.
Swashy’s comments are also fair, as the courts all over the world are damaging the relationships of associative compassion and protection between fathers and their children. In some countries women argue that the rights of the male over the female on parental laws are reversed so there is some complexity to the problems. Most obviously it should be fair to say that no nation has effectively figured out any balance to claim equality to the parental conundrum in marriage as well as after separation. More likely to the point and if to exercise a rule that could cross cultures is that any direct access to fiscal exlpoitation (legal or otherwise) of the circumstances surrounding parenting by one parent (or a state) should be heavily reviewed, constitutionally and if proved directly abandoned. Thereafter such a collapse it would be immediately obvious that the only facility left standing to assist the individuals disaffected by teh circumstances would be teh community. If the community is in poor health then there is no survival. But if the community is in good health from the outset of the problem then the domestic adversity in any part of its imaturity or maturity will mitigate the final impact of the expanded problem no matter its voracity. The problem then becomes direct. The communities across the world need to be better equipped to help people stay together. It is unlikely that this will happen on its own because there, in any economic environment, is too much to lose if such a market in human trade could collapse. So there is only one component that could be supported to have a greater importance over “money”. There is only one. The child.
So, the question is is do dads across the world want to protect the young - their young and their children’s children’s young or do they in fact want to maintain the demands of exploitation over human markets just so to provide to their particular interests - whatever those may be.
Sorry to rant.
Comment by Benjamin Easton — Tue 6th November 2007 @ 4:23 pm