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Sat 15th April 2006

Talk to feminists. Eh?

Filed under: General — Julie @ 9:35 am

I had to search for information because I needed to know and understand for myself whether I was being right with my judgement on you and feminism. These are just 3 things I have considered.

Being a man and talking to feminists is a lot like what I imagine it’s like to be Jewish and talk to God

www.salient.org.nz/index.php?i=47&c=48

I have encountered something I never thought I would at university: Women who think that their own point of view is the only correct one and anybody who disagrees with them is wrong and they should bow down to what they think is right. I have never met so many closed-minded people in my life. University is a time for realising other people have individual views and while you may not agree, you absolutely have a right to say what you believe and think, but so do they. However, that gives you no right to tell people how to live their lives, what they should say and how they should act.

As Women’s Rights Officer, I met some of these people yesterday and they were women! One stated that there wasn’t enough feminist content in Women’s Fest. However, this person failed to understand that some women don’t want feminist content in Women’s Fest and some people want Anti-Feminist content in Women’s Fest. This person couldn’t actually believe that a WOMAN could have a different view from her own. Well, shock horror!!! Women are individuals and we all don’t think alike.

BY KERRY O’CONNOR
www.salient.org.nz/index.php?a=1681&c=22

And while feminists such as [Germaine] Greer are harping about the irrelevant, a new wave of real feminists is emerging where it counts. In places where it is most dangerous to speak out. Such as Pakistan. Elsewhere, Islamic feminists from countries such as Malaysia, Mali, Egypt and Iran are marching to launch a “gender jihad” in support of women’s rights. This is real-life feminism at work.
If we think Western feminists had it tough, being shut out of the workplace in the 1950s, spare a thought for those women in Islamic countries who are victims of “honour killings” for bringing shame on their families, or the millions of women across western and southern Asia, the Middle East and large swaths of Africa who are mutilated by female circumcision. These women need our support, not our silence.

www.investigatemagazine.com/archives/2005/11/feminists_awol.html

My conclusion is that it may seem impossible to bring feminists and masculinists together without one side having to bow down to the other. That would be the most ridiculous thing I could think of.
However, women do have their own opinions as men do and we can change individuals.

18 Responses to “Talk to feminists. Eh?”

  1. John Brett says:

    What is a Feminist? What is a Masculinist?
    And what do you call the intolerant bigots who preach what I call “radical feminazisim”?
    I would call feminists women who want to get equal, for everyone’s benefit.
    I would call masculinists men who want to get equal,for everyone’s benefit.
    I would call radical feminazisim an extremist cult devoted GETTING EVEN regardless of the co-lateral damage and suffering caused.

  2. jimmy says:

    I don’t go for the rabid stuff at all.

    I think we need to come to the point where we see males and females as complimentary aspects of humanity – not in competition with each other,

    The feminist creation of a gender war has been very effective in demonizing men and masculinity to the detriment of us all but particularly children – who have in many cases become pawns in this battle.

    I don’t want to play.

  3. Stephen says:

    Jimmy said – “The feminist creation of a gender war has been very effective in demonizing men and masculinity to the detriment of us all but particularly children – who have in many cases become pawns in this battle”.

    Right on the button there bro.

    I’ve come to see feminists as simply a lobby group for women.

  4. julie says:

    It is understandable that a male hurt to the soul (extreme) is weary of women. And it is understandable that a woman hurt to the soul (extreme) is weary of men. But this life cannot be free from pain. Pain has its own rewards. I have always felt angry when people told me’ “You will grow from all this. Something good will come from this for you.” This is because I couldn’t understand when my life was a living hell. But it does pass, even when you go through it for 10s of years. (and then you grieve because you wasted so many years)There is no easy way out of this.

    Even if you killed the other person, you will have to one day maybe 20 years down the track have to face what you did.

    So, both men and women need to get past the pain.

    Here’s something to think about.

    If you don’t trust another person, then it is not them you don’t trust but yourself. How is that? Well, you don’t trust yourself meaning that you don’t trust you can handle what the other person will or won’t do. So you shut down to protect yourself. But by shutting down and protecting yourself, you stop living a good life.

  5. Peter Burns says:

    Well said Julie – I agree sometimes it’s better to shut down rather than endure the heartbreak when your children are ripped from your soul. Christmas – Easter whatever it nots right without the kids however the law says no no no no no .I wish those who made the wrongful decisions could feel the pain of having your children purposely alienated from your life !!! The kids miss out but the lawyers get rich etc….etc…..etc……Take care mate – in solidarity -d4j

  6. John Brett says:

    Hi Julie- your comments are from the heart, and I agree that- “So, both men and women need to get past the pain.”. I am one of the lucky who have.
    However, I disagree that Feminazis are just hurt women.
    My experience of Feminazis is that they are not just hurt people.
    My experience is that they are like:
    White Supremacists,
    Islamic terrorists, or
    Jew hating Brownshirts.
    I see them as insecure people of limited intelligence with delusions of grandeur, who have been captured by a cruel and hate-filled ideology.

  7. Stephen says:

    Julie,
    I too don’t see feminazzis as simply hurt people.
    I concur with Brett in that they seem IMO to have fanatical delusions of grandeur though.

    I also disagree with your idea that if you don’t trust certain people it’s really your ability to trust handling what those folks might do to you that is in question.

    That makes no sense to me.

    On the contrary I see perfectly sensible folks all the time not trusting some others because whilst they’ll easily survive and even thrive beyond what those others may do to them they know contact will be harmful to a greater or lesser degree. That doesn’t mean they ‘shut down’ emotionally either. They’re simply smart enough to realise some folks are a real pain to have contact with. Thier rational response to misandric feminists for example, is to avoid them as much as possible and encourage thier loved ones to do likewise. Then the ostracised get the opportunity for self reflection.

  8. jimmy says:

    Thier rational response to misandric feminists for example, is to avoid them as much as possible and encourage thier loved ones to do likewise.

    Good advice but alas for those who come into contact with the family court or CYPS contact with such people becomes unavoidable.

    These things are feminist creations, infected by nasty man hating philosophies.

  9. julie says:

    Yes, Stephen. I see your point. Often we need others who are in control of themselves to look at our situation and give advice.

    This is (as I presume you know) because our own emotions have taken over our rational thinking.

    Most of us have been a part of our children’s birth. Watched thier first steps, first words and even if we weren’t right there, we lived it. The steps continued, the words continued. We are prepared to work every day just for them. And the list goes on and on.

    For my situation, I had to give up in the end for I was getting absolutely nowhere except to an early grave and a miserable future. It was then that the tables turned and the other side chased me. And I know other’s in the same situation.

    But I cannot tell other people to give up and let the otherside reflect. And yet, I consider myself ratioanl (mostly). To me, it is too great a risk. And it doesn’t always work.

    These rational people are vunerable and they too have their heart and head fight each other or have had. Life experiences have taught them through pain and other emotions how to keep things at bay. They have become either immuned or have permently shut down a percentage of thier emotions.

    Besides, I guess being rational is one of the rewards of pain. And consequential thinking.

  10. tonyf says:

    Stephen said:
    “I’ve come to see feminists as simply a lobby group for women.”

    I have to agree to a certain extent, but only the women who come to the fold. Women who do not agree with their dogma are still under the opressive male jackboot and are required to be re-educated.
    But after saying that, I have met a lot of women who do not agree with the hard line feminist belief, yet, they still support feminism as it will further their opportunities, or conveniently back their argument. Its human nature.

  11. Bevan Berg says:

    I think there is a clear distinction between masculists and feminists — One reasons a decision and the other decides a which point it is convenient to stop changing their mind.

  12. julie says:

    Hey Tonyf,

    I am unable to understand your comment fully. It would be helpful to me if you shared more cause I think you have a good point. But what do you mean by “Women who do not agree with their dogma are still under the opressive male jackboot and are required to be re-educated”

  13. miss mug says:

    who the hell are you julie? seems to me that you fit the profile of chatroom troll.

  14. julie says:

    Miss mug,

    That comment hurt. Well it just goes to show that women don’t stick together and do have their own personal opinions.

  15. Peter Burns says:

    There is types of women – feminazi’s like our prime minister and real kiwi women who always family friendly . Simple as that !!

  16. tonyf says:

    Hi Julie,
    that was just a facetious comment. It is the kind of response you get from the stereotypical feminist i.e. all women are victims, even if they do not know it or agree that they are. Please don’t see it as an attack on all women.
    Peter, some real kiwi women will jump on the bandwagon when it suits them. It is real kiwi women who are denying their children their fathers, who make false accusations and are purpertrators of domestic violence. The feminist angle is always used for credibility, justification etc.

  17. John Brett says:

    Hey- let’s cut out the name calling!
    I believe Steven intended to say that “women who don’t embrace the extremist Feminist position are regarded as ‘Under the male Jackboot’ by the extremists”.
    I personally know many good women who can think for themselves, telling me about being treated like this.
    To Julie:
    Imagine the torment faced by a father trying to reconcile his unconditional love for his family with the logical knowledge that there is NO WAY he can continue to have a loving relationship with them.
    Every situation is different, but I can empathise with a father who comes to the conclusion that the only action open to him is to cut the ties and walk away.
    I know these men- they are the suicide statistics of the future. There should be a monument to their memory

  18. miss mug says:

    i don’t stick with anyone just because they are of my own gender. the men who are ground down and walk away are indeed the suicide stats of the future. who would side with the perpetrators of such a scenario and call themselves sane?

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