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Mon 10th July 2006

Thank you Judith Surgenor

Filed under: General — triassic @ 5:34 pm

Mss Surgenor fell into a trap on the “Sunday” program that is usually avoided by those trained in dealing with the media. She was the best evidence in the program to illustrate what men have to face within the system. How can these slime balls state that they serve ‘without fear or favor’?? She vilified the men who were protesting peacefully as ‘probably behaving that way in their marriage’???. Well Judith those men now sit alongside such people as The Dalai Lama, Nelson Mandela, John Minto, Germaine Greer, Steve Biko, Martin Luther King to name but a few.

More than 4 billion people on this planet, both Christian and Moslem, believe Jesus to be a pacifist. Read Mathew 21:12 and see what he did when he saw people abusing something sacrosanct in order to make money.

The men protesting are claiming some lawyers are the scum of the earth. If the hat fits Judith……….

17 Responses to “Thank you Judith Surgenor”

  1. Mike says:

    This is an email Surgenor sent to an individual which has been forwarded to others including myself.It is followed by my reply (I think Surgenor is probably spewing at time being spent (without recompense!!) responding to these emails.

    Thanks for your email. I take on board your comments. Luckily in a democratic country I have the right to disagree with you just as you do with me. However I will not threaten, and abuse you directly for your views, nor will I harrass you at your home or place of work. It would be good if the mens group would afford me the same courtesy.
    Kind regards
    Judith Surgenor

    You confirm what people I have talked to today (whilst not revealing my membership of the father\’s coalition) were saying about you in the Sunday programme last night. Words like buffoon,moron,idiot and several others far more derogatory that I will refrain from offending sensibilities by listing. \”You will not harrass people at their home or place of work\”.

    How devoid of intelligence are you? Do you feel that parents deprived of their progeny by your mendacity and manipulation are contained within the confines of the (kangaroo) courtroom? Do you not realise the torment you cause, extends into every single pore of their being, exists around them wherever they are, at home, at work, at the shopping mall…..every second of every day!!

    How your appearance on the programme so contrasted to the individual who battled the likes of dross such as yourself and won his daughter back. I imagine you felt so smug and smarmy, conducting that interview, enjoying the limelight.How myopic of you,as all you have acheived through your folly is to reinforce the resolve of the righteous to bring to an end the den of iniquity that is injudiciously misnomered the \”Family Court\”.

  2. Scott says:

    Yes, I saw the show. Ms Surgenor was a dead give away. Her comments were tactless, arrogant. But she and others like her dont care what the rest of us think.

    They are the Law and they are making the money!!!

  3. p says:

    please, don’t think for a moment that it is only men whom this woman crucifies. She took a dislike to my partner and we’ve had ten years of her abuse. so our family is split and probably damaged irrevocably – but she’s sitting pretty.

    I wish you all, the very best.

  4. Paul Catton says:

    Dear P,

    Get in touch and join the bothering.

    Kind Regards
    Paul

  5. Keep my name off this.
    When I wrote a memorandum to the judge pointing out that Ms Surgenor failed to interview my daughter when she said that she wanted to stay with me and failed to retract her letter to me which threatened – however sideways – that the police would be involved if I didn’t change mutually agreed to plans to my ex husbands more recent whim – I pointed as I was out of Auckland the only way that plans could have been changed was by by ex phoning me.

    After pointing out these two errors to the judge she became much more reasonable.

    I recommend all people who deal with Ms Surgenor get a copy of the Care of Child act and keep on pointing out the bit that tells her that two parents are supposed to be involved with the upbringing of the children and that after one year of an interum custody arrangement that the interum legal parent order expires.

    She tends to strongly favour the custodial parent and so never give up your rights.

    You have to play her in a smart way – she is ignorant of of human feelings.

  6. grant says:

    Hi guys

    im going to put another point of view here, I was involved with one of the lawyers who you speak about. I found her courteous helpful and without doubt absolutely fair. I am male I have and had parenting / custody orders for both of my children. I found the court process while cumboursome and unwieldy does produce results and is far more effective than Australia UK and others. If you are prepared to be a parent and be there you will according to the needs of the children have access or parenting orders… you also need to understand that to some extent all of this is a “game”, you have to restrain yourself in court provide sensible replies and avoid having mud thrown at you that sticks…. on the contra you need to be careful throwing it unless you are very sure of your facts

    Ive had a situation where neither of my children wanted to see their mother at all but in their interests and through managing the situation made an access agreement work, then proceeded to hand off one to stay with the mother when she was ready and would do the same with the other if that was best for this one as well.

    I know how frustrating this system can be and could see how easily i could have ended up on the other side of it. I did not. I think my background helped but the other party did most of the sabotage for herself and I just had to keep my mouth shut.. she came within second of ending up in jail at the FC Judges behest, got diversion for breaching a tresspass order and assaulted me…

    My children are strong intelligent and balanced, they have been affected by the war between their parents and changed irrevobaly but they are resilient and will learn for themselves what works for them

    I would encourage you and others to stop fighting the “system” and looking out for what you want and think about the huge affect these wars have on the children and try to find a way to help them work through this time, and it will pass, they will grow up and you will form an adult relationship with them if you do things right even if for now the “system” appears to defeat you

  7. T. lowett says:

    Judith Surgenor is a person who makes a snap decision and stands by it regardless of what evidence is produced otherwise. She does not take into account that both parents should be involved in the childs upbringing and once she favours one parent against another, thats it.

  8. confidential for now says:

    judith surgenor plays on ‘care’ but made $1.2 million out of tax payer and always pretends busy, causing troubles> when a parent asked her if this parent can take the child for a show or travel, she made a few affidavits and heavily disturbed and made $2000-$3000 each time, then ended up at the court hearing after 2 months or longer, everything is MISSED, too late………..reason bitter naustiness. Minister in parliament wants to change family court system, they are so RIGHT!, without this so call ‘child lawyer, who never advice the child their rights any way, due to no witness, all children are minor, even a teacher sitting next to the meeting, had no idea what shall be asked and what Judith reported to court, it can something entirelly different. No quality control………..total needs to be sued for compensation. if you want to take judith to NZ law society, or open court, do it, get suppor from us. wake up and stand up to it. Make productive helping money, not make someone suffer.

  9. Kiwi says:

    It is true that Judith Surgenor is a person who makes a snap decision and stands by it regardless of what evidence is produced otherwise. She makes these snap decisions against both mothers and fathers. She is not bias towards fathers at all. She is bias towards whichever parent she decides to vindicate then goes out of her way to CREATE fault. She does not care about the children. She only cares about finding and punishing whoever parent she takes a personal dislike of. She needs to be removed!I have a friend who is a mother and has Judith as the LFC. Judith has been on a campaign of hatred ever since she took a personal dislike to this mother. Judith has no place being a LFC when she is not able to put her personal judgements aside.

  10. confidential for now says:

    yes, judith surgenor shall be removed. she created more fights and victim is children, also one of parents. without her this world is a better place. save tax payer money! and family court system needs to change.!

  11. justice says:

    5 years in family court, I realised___Judith creates fights between parents!!! so she can come back to court again and again to make tax payers’ money. Wake up to all of us. she has no consideration of children at all.
    1. she never advice minor children law any way, the system does not need this type of child lawyer. Yough & child social workers are far better with team quality control and kinder persons.
    2. if she were a leader in a country, there may be 3rd world war. We need someone a true peace faithful kind person.

    when you refused to see her, she behaved a little, for our future and our children, let us make a change today. contact each other, if you wish to take Judith surgenor to court or NZ law society, I will be with you. how can we contact each other. give a face book or random email.
    sincerely

  12. fairness says:

    I am in to New Zealand law society about Judith surgenor’s brave act to make tax payers’s money ‘legally ‘ to cause damage to our child and sits comfotable in her ego – will you come with me to law society, this is my private email, fell free to contact, let us ask if it is right together. This is a free country, we have good wishes, we shall be heard.
    I fully understand all of you felt. hope to hear from you soon. irtetogether20@yahoo.com.

  13. fairness says:

    sorry correct email is writetogether20@yahoo.com

  14. Jack says:

    I was represented by Judith Surgenor as a child. She did not take my feelings or human rights into consideration. I witnessed Judith verbally abusing my mother on several occasions, which was inappropriate and unprofessional. Judith took her personal opinions too far. She wanted me removed from my mother, which is what happened, without sufficient evidence. I was harshly abused in foster care, and my mother could not protect me. I feel that if judith had not been my legal counsel, I would never have suffered abuse as a child. Judith Surgenor also spoke very highly of the people who abused me, and my abusers were never charged, although there was sufficient evidence. Now the people who abused me have been given the right to parent other children. All I want is for my human rights, and the rights of my family, to be taken into consideration. I no longer get to see my own siblings. What happened to my human rights, Judith?

  15. Allan Harvey says:

    Jack I think Judge Lawrence Ryan, Principal Family Court Judge, is probably the right person for you to write to an to seek answers from. Ms Surgenor still acts as Lawyer for Children on appointment by the Family Court. While Judge Ryan may never have been involved in your own case he holds the ability to investigate matters done under the order of his court.

  16. Jack says:

    Thank you.

  17. Shelly says:

    Can some please advise me if this site is still valid and where to lay a official complaint regarding Judith Surgenor. I have copied and pasted a comment made to this site regarding her Lawyer for Child abilities and her lack of hindsight or reason. Her Bias painfully obvious.

    I am a very distressed family member. Once i give you the shortest version I can as well as the version of Jack (below). The similarities are uncanny. This women needs to be stopped from endangering the lives of children who are meant to be foremost in her thoughts. They are pushed aside and replaced with inhuman feelings really.

    Judith Surgenor is the Lawyer for Child for my cousins son. This situation arose when when it became apparent that my cousins son was being physically abused by both his Poppa, Dad and Nana. One of the above family members wanted to go to Thailand. At this stage Len was in his mothers care 3 days a week maybe 4. The family approached Sue and asked if they could take him. Sue said no. He suffers extreme asthma and has a lung condition and he was only 6.

    On the day that Len was due home to his mothers, Sue had a funny feeling that they had just taken him. And they had on the advice from Judith Surgenor to “just take him there is nothing they can do about it” and she was right. The police did nothing even though this was kidnap on the advice of their friend and Grandsons lawyer Judith Surgeonor.

    You think thats bad read on

    Ok so Judith Surgenor has never acted on behalf of Len. She knows personally the other party involved, to the point, where I actually thought she was their lawyer. Every decision this women has made has been totally out the hate.

    Judith also knows my cousin and her mother. She is not fond of either of them due to one of them refusing to lie in court for her. She detests the family and is waging a personal vendetta against my family.
    The only casualty here is going to be Len.

    Now up to date as I am probably running out of room will no doubt cast aspersions in your mind about Judith Surgenors ability to service without bias.
    And yes we also need to know how we can change Lawyer for family from Judith to someone with a heart.

    After the family member was caught and charged with Abuse of a child, bearing in mind these three people all live together in one house. They were all involved as the police report outlayed, they want to deal with the first family member then the other two would be investigated for child abuse.

    After the member had his day in court and was indeed found guilty,the family went to their lawyer requesting that Len come to them (one child abuser and two under suspicion,)Judith Surgenor makes the most unbelievable call of all time, or was it just normal for her to make such catastrophic decisions.The police had the report on the whole family, Judith Says “you get Sunday from 9 to 5, unsupervised in the very environment that he was rescued from in the first place. Come on she has now put Len right back into the arms of his abusers. Well done lady. Will a death be what Judith needs to wake up and remember why she is there. For the little people who cant represent them selves.
    So Len finds out he is going bursts into tears and says “they are going to beat me” but no he has to go to what could be impending doom. He is emotionally traumatised. We want a new Child for Lawyer where can we request this urgently Please. If anyone can point us in the right direction asap please do. Our children need protecting from Judith Surgenor.

    Tue 7th April 2015 at 10:47 am
    I was represented by Judith Surgenor as a child. She did not take my feelings or human rights into consideration. I witnessed Judith verbally abusing my mother on several occasions, which was inappropriate and unprofessional. Judith took her personal opinions too far. She wanted me removed from my mother, which is what happened, without sufficient evidence. I was harshly abused in foster care, and my mother could not protect me. I feel that if judith had not been my legal counsel, I would never have suffered abuse as a child. Judith Surgenor also spoke very highly of the people who abused me, and my abusers were never charged, although there was sufficient evidence. Now the people who abused me have been given the right to parent other children. All I want is for my human rights, and the rights of my family, to be taken into consideration. I no longer get to see my own siblings. What happened to my human rights, Judith?

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