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	<title>Comments on: United Future does care for fathers</title>
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		<title>By: Ethos</title>
		<link>http://menz.org.nz/2006/united-future-does-care-for-fathers/#comment-108608</link>
		<dc:creator>Ethos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Dec 2006 00:11:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Julie,

This is simply bollocks and hogwash.

All Dunny-boy and the rest of our self-serving politicians care about is:

1. Their excessive pay cheque
2. Free lunches at Bellamy's
3. Tax payer (you and me) funded junkets to exotic locations for them and their lover-boys
4. Passing useless laws like the civil union bill while New Zealand society goes down the toilet.

Lass, you need to wake up and smell the coffee!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Julie,</p>
<p>This is simply bollocks and hogwash.</p>
<p>All Dunny-boy and the rest of our self-serving politicians care about is:</p>
<p>1. Their excessive pay cheque<br />
2. Free lunches at Bellamy&#8217;s<br />
3. Tax payer (you and me) funded junkets to exotic locations for them and their lover-boys<br />
4. Passing useless laws like the civil union bill while New Zealand society goes down the toilet.</p>
<p>Lass, you need to wake up and smell the coffee!</p>
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		<title>By: julie</title>
		<link>http://menz.org.nz/2006/united-future-does-care-for-fathers/#comment-107880</link>
		<dc:creator>julie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Nov 2006 18:23:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Stephen, 

There is a catch to not being hated and that is that you have to walk the walk. Walking the walk gets you the respect. Respect changes hate to admiration. You can't admire someone and hate them at the same time. IMO</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Stephen, </p>
<p>There is a catch to not being hated and that is that you have to walk the walk. Walking the walk gets you the respect. Respect changes hate to admiration. You can&#8217;t admire someone and hate them at the same time. IMO</p>
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		<title>By: julie</title>
		<link>http://menz.org.nz/2006/united-future-does-care-for-fathers/#comment-107879</link>
		<dc:creator>julie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Nov 2006 18:15:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Stephen, 

Your link was good. Oh, but since you called mine boring I will tell you, your's was too short. LOL

I often find people hate you at first but in time they come back and thank-you. Being challenged is uncomfortable but it makes you a better person if you use it wisely. I often find people lose faith in their own work because they don't see results while the work is being done. Often the fruits don't show until they are 'out of sight.' But I am sure there will be some. Just not those whose opinions matter to me. 

I never studied fem 101. So I am glad you say it is a rehash as I am at the beginning and I would recommend my site to anyone who doesn't know about feminism to read it. And it is better than doing a fem 101 paper.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Stephen, </p>
<p>Your link was good. Oh, but since you called mine boring I will tell you, your&#8217;s was too short. LOL</p>
<p>I often find people hate you at first but in time they come back and thank-you. Being challenged is uncomfortable but it makes you a better person if you use it wisely. I often find people lose faith in their own work because they don&#8217;t see results while the work is being done. Often the fruits don&#8217;t show until they are &#8216;out of sight.&#8217; But I am sure there will be some. Just not those whose opinions matter to me. </p>
<p>I never studied fem 101. So I am glad you say it is a rehash as I am at the beginning and I would recommend my site to anyone who doesn&#8217;t know about feminism to read it. And it is better than doing a fem 101 paper.</p>
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		<title>By: Stephen</title>
		<link>http://menz.org.nz/2006/united-future-does-care-for-fathers/#comment-107853</link>
		<dc:creator>Stephen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Nov 2006 10:15:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Julie,
No, I'm not worried about how pro-male you are. I hope you keep pushing for Men's rights.

Don't be so naive as to believe that if you don't hate others that they in turn won't hate you.
Many Men's Rights Activists have been for a long time and still are despised despite approaching their anti-male adversaries with total respect.

The article you gave a link to was boring. A rehash of fem 101. 

A better analysis IMO is provided here 

&lt;a href="http://www.iosworld.org/a_critique_of_feminism.htm" rel="nofollow"&gt;synopsis&lt;/a&gt;

Interestingly it distinguishes feminsm from women's liberation in stating that women need liberating FROM feminism!!
I Love it!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Julie,<br />
No, I&#8217;m not worried about how pro-male you are. I hope you keep pushing for Men&#8217;s rights.</p>
<p>Don&#8217;t be so naive as to believe that if you don&#8217;t hate others that they in turn won&#8217;t hate you.<br />
Many Men&#8217;s Rights Activists have been for a long time and still are despised despite approaching their anti-male adversaries with total respect.</p>
<p>The article you gave a link to was boring. A rehash of fem 101. </p>
<p>A better analysis IMO is provided here </p>
<p><a href="http://www.iosworld.org/a_critique_of_feminism.htm" rel="nofollow">synopsis</a></p>
<p>Interestingly it distinguishes feminsm from women&#8217;s liberation in stating that women need liberating FROM feminism!!<br />
I Love it!!</p>
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		<title>By: julie</title>
		<link>http://menz.org.nz/2006/united-future-does-care-for-fathers/#comment-107832</link>
		<dc:creator>julie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Nov 2006 08:33:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Stephen, 

&lt;blockquote&gt;One thing I’m convinced of is that western/ised hyper-chivalrous men are only half the problem.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I never expected that. Are you worried that I am leaning too far the men's side now. 

I am aware of radicals and how their changes can also bring about other problems.

The Moari Party is going National. Great. The Islanders are getting leaders. You won't turn those mothers against their sons. My suburb is femenist. 

Look, I have nothing to lose. No-one is going to hate me for I am not going to deal with women that are way beyond help through HATE. I wouldn't be suprised if there are heaps of women centres just waiting to speak up. 

And the biggest bonus. I will learn and I will grow. 

If you have some time to read a few pages, this is the best women's movement site I have found to date.

Tell's you who are the groups, what they are about and how they plan to take over the world. Basically, everything you know but still very interesting. I had to laugh when I read the that they know the working class women will be the hardest and if they don't get them they will not be successful.
http://www.dsp.org.au/links/back/issue12/12_allan.htm</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Stephen, </p>
<blockquote><p>One thing I’m convinced of is that western/ised hyper-chivalrous men are only half the problem.</p></blockquote>
<p>I never expected that. Are you worried that I am leaning too far the men&#8217;s side now. </p>
<p>I am aware of radicals and how their changes can also bring about other problems.</p>
<p>The Moari Party is going National. Great. The Islanders are getting leaders. You won&#8217;t turn those mothers against their sons. My suburb is femenist. </p>
<p>Look, I have nothing to lose. No-one is going to hate me for I am not going to deal with women that are way beyond help through HATE. I wouldn&#8217;t be suprised if there are heaps of women centres just waiting to speak up. </p>
<p>And the biggest bonus. I will learn and I will grow. </p>
<p>If you have some time to read a few pages, this is the best women&#8217;s movement site I have found to date.</p>
<p>Tell&#8217;s you who are the groups, what they are about and how they plan to take over the world. Basically, everything you know but still very interesting. I had to laugh when I read the that they know the working class women will be the hardest and if they don&#8217;t get them they will not be successful.<br />
<a href="http://www.dsp.org.au/links/back/issue12/12_allan.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.dsp.org.au/links/back/issue12/12_allan.htm</a></p>
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		<title>By: Stephen</title>
		<link>http://menz.org.nz/2006/united-future-does-care-for-fathers/#comment-107715</link>
		<dc:creator>Stephen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Nov 2006 11:03:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Julie,
From what I've gathered to date there are certainly many much more male friendly places than nz these days. Asia and Latin America to name but two.
However, with the push being made by large parts of the UN (feminists) to feminize countries I can't say for sure for how long these refuges will exist. Many Islamic guys are resisting mightily it seems.
One thing I'm convinced of is that western/ised hyper-chivalrous men are only half the problem. The other half of teh problem is the feminist inspired misandry that is now unconsciously held widespread amongst enormous numbers of western and westernised women. It's got to the stage where demonising myths about men are being passed on intergeneratioanlly.
Every day I'm reading horror stories posted by good men principally but not exclusively in the west who've been shafted by feminists. 
With American men already in deep shit, I dread to think of Hillary Clinton as president of the USA with it currently excercising considerable global hegemony. 
Scary woman. Scary scenario.

The point I'm getting to is that men can only do so much in their own defense. Even if every man on earth woke up tomorrow understanding feminist misandry and resisting it I believe there would be still be millions of women unconsciously treating men as expendable worldwide. So really what's needed is for women's awareness to be raised beyond their pathetic and disgusting 'victim' gender politics.
Then it will be a much safer world. 
I'm not despondent though.
After all we're talking about the sex which organised amazing things - cathedrals, symphonies, political movements, space travel, powered flight, nuclear reactors, electricity, cubist art, languages, quantum physics, and on and on I could go. It's surely onlya matter of time before men figure out how to innoculate themselves against feminism's misandry.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Julie,<br />
From what I&#8217;ve gathered to date there are certainly many much more male friendly places than nz these days. Asia and Latin America to name but two.<br />
However, with the push being made by large parts of the UN (feminists) to feminize countries I can&#8217;t say for sure for how long these refuges will exist. Many Islamic guys are resisting mightily it seems.<br />
One thing I&#8217;m convinced of is that western/ised hyper-chivalrous men are only half the problem. The other half of teh problem is the feminist inspired misandry that is now unconsciously held widespread amongst enormous numbers of western and westernised women. It&#8217;s got to the stage where demonising myths about men are being passed on intergeneratioanlly.<br />
Every day I&#8217;m reading horror stories posted by good men principally but not exclusively in the west who&#8217;ve been shafted by feminists.<br />
With American men already in deep shit, I dread to think of Hillary Clinton as president of the USA with it currently excercising considerable global hegemony.<br />
Scary woman. Scary scenario.</p>
<p>The point I&#8217;m getting to is that men can only do so much in their own defense. Even if every man on earth woke up tomorrow understanding feminist misandry and resisting it I believe there would be still be millions of women unconsciously treating men as expendable worldwide. So really what&#8217;s needed is for women&#8217;s awareness to be raised beyond their pathetic and disgusting &#8216;victim&#8217; gender politics.<br />
Then it will be a much safer world.<br />
I&#8217;m not despondent though.<br />
After all we&#8217;re talking about the sex which organised amazing things - cathedrals, symphonies, political movements, space travel, powered flight, nuclear reactors, electricity, cubist art, languages, quantum physics, and on and on I could go. It&#8217;s surely onlya matter of time before men figure out how to innoculate themselves against feminism&#8217;s misandry.</p>
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		<title>By: julie</title>
		<link>http://menz.org.nz/2006/united-future-does-care-for-fathers/#comment-107672</link>
		<dc:creator>julie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Nov 2006 03:14:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Scrap, 

Sorry for my last comment. But this whole thing has made me angry and I have made others angry. All this anger has to go somewhere. 

I think we have to take it to the streets and we have to let the country (those who were born here more than those who are just greatful to be here) know what is going on. Older people are retired or close to retiring. It is not their job to step in although their minds may have them in tommorrow. I think that I am about a few years after Jim Bailey and Jim Bagnall. I wish I was the type of person who just took people's words for it. I would be going alot easier with all your wisdom. 

But I would like to know what this sleeping giant is?

Stephen, 

Where is anyone going to be safe from this and for how long?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Scrap, </p>
<p>Sorry for my last comment. But this whole thing has made me angry and I have made others angry. All this anger has to go somewhere. </p>
<p>I think we have to take it to the streets and we have to let the country (those who were born here more than those who are just greatful to be here) know what is going on. Older people are retired or close to retiring. It is not their job to step in although their minds may have them in tommorrow. I think that I am about a few years after Jim Bailey and Jim Bagnall. I wish I was the type of person who just took people&#8217;s words for it. I would be going alot easier with all your wisdom. </p>
<p>But I would like to know what this sleeping giant is?</p>
<p>Stephen, </p>
<p>Where is anyone going to be safe from this and for how long?</p>
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		<title>By: dad4justice</title>
		<link>http://menz.org.nz/2006/united-future-does-care-for-fathers/#comment-107668</link>
		<dc:creator>dad4justice</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Nov 2006 02:47:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah I see those white ribbons and I think of celebrating my sixth consecutive Christmas alienated from my daughters because of false allegations of domestic violence .My girls are very sad they are not allowed to see their daddy . Guess I just say fuck it all !!!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah I see those white ribbons and I think of celebrating my sixth consecutive Christmas alienated from my daughters because of false allegations of domestic violence .My girls are very sad they are not allowed to see their daddy . Guess I just say fuck it all !!!!!</p>
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		<title>By: Stephen</title>
		<link>http://menz.org.nz/2006/united-future-does-care-for-fathers/#comment-107648</link>
		<dc:creator>Stephen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Nov 2006 23:50:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes Julie,
I can well believe it.
Some of our nz academics are the worst of the lot.
For goodness sake consider getting your sons somewhere else safely away from feminzm.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes Julie,<br />
I can well believe it.<br />
Some of our nz academics are the worst of the lot.<br />
For goodness sake consider getting your sons somewhere else safely away from feminzm.</p>
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		<title>By: julie</title>
		<link>http://menz.org.nz/2006/united-future-does-care-for-fathers/#comment-107647</link>
		<dc:creator>julie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Nov 2006 23:36:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Stephen, 

Your brothers in NZ are blind. I just saw 4 of the most respected on TV this morning promoting white ribbon. 

They spoke of what good and supportive men they are to women and they down graded the work of the professors that are saying DV is equal. I sat there waiting for a chance to phone in where I was going to ask which 2 out of you 4 are the rapists the stas also talk of but the phones were not open. 

Your men are being played and they are dumb to it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Stephen, </p>
<p>Your brothers in NZ are blind. I just saw 4 of the most respected on TV this morning promoting white ribbon. </p>
<p>They spoke of what good and supportive men they are to women and they down graded the work of the professors that are saying DV is equal. I sat there waiting for a chance to phone in where I was going to ask which 2 out of you 4 are the rapists the stas also talk of but the phones were not open. </p>
<p>Your men are being played and they are dumb to it.</p>
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