WhyI won’t be attending school camp …
Fellows!
I see in today’s news, not only have Air New Zealand confirmed their policy regarding seating unaccompanied children next to men; MP David Benson-Pope is again under fire for his alleged past teaching habits; and as a result (but not surprisingly) there was talk on TV last night about whether or not all men (note men; not women) should now at long last be police-checked before attending any school camp.
[Actually, as a complete aside, I wouldn’t mind if Air NZ could ensure kids don’t sit in the seats immediately in front of me too: I can’t stand having the pesky brats peering over at me and pulling faces with cheesy toothless grins from sticky unwiped faces, whilst I am trying to enjoy a pleasant in-flight movie].
Now I can’t speak for the truth of these potentially abusive situations that David Benson-Pope is alleged to have placed himself in; but one has to simply ask the question: If he did indeed enter the girl’s dormitory, or their shower block, is he through his actions a potential sexual predator, or a victim of his own folly?
In other words, how many other teachers at some time or another have placed themselves in the same or similar situations?
I remember an elderly female teacher entering the boy’s toilet in which I and one or two others were making a mess with toilet paper one lunch time, many, many years ago. She marched us off to the principal’s office.
Girls at least have the added advantage of all sitting in individual cubicles, rather than lined up in the open along a wall, should a teacher walk in.
Lord forbid – I remember the days that our whole class, boys and girls alike, were stood by our desks, and had to remove all our clothes! In front of the teacher!!!
OK, we all then proceeded to don our togs, before filing out across the field to the school pool for a refreshing swim! But oh the abuse! I was naked!
Abusive? Risky? Should the teacher be called to account?
What if it happened yesterday, and the teacher was male?
Or was it simply the norm back then?
Men! It’s time we take the bull by the horns!
Next time you have a spare moment: Train as a teacher. Offer to attend a school camp; Dress up as Santa Claus. Ask to fly Air New Zealand to that camp, and whilst on the plane, offer to sit next to any unaccompanied children!
Seriously though, do the powers that be not want to recognise that, as a direct reaction to the above, real men (‘fathers’, to use a somewhat culturally unpalatable word) will simply not volunteer to attend school camps – or any school activity, for that matter, given they surely should be police-checked for each ocassion?
[This is the classic 'you are guilty until you prove yourself innocent' line, made famous through many a false allegation in the Family Court. Roll back a generation to the ‘All men are rapists’ mantra to understand its feminist roots].
Not only have we already witnessed the virtual desertion of the teaching industry by men, but soon too men will abandon extra-curricular activities, out of fear of misguided allegations of abuse being levelled at them years down the track.
How better to reinforce the subliminal message to innocent children: all men are potential abusers, and clearly not to be trusted!
Imagine the traditional school camp devoid of men.
No active role models for the boys (many have no active father in their life already, although some will have been told these strange creatures actually once existed).
Remember of course too that many of these children have likewise come to doubt the existence of that mythical creature, the male teacher.
Back to the school camp:
Women having to hurry the boys out of the showers, or enter the dormitories to retrieve wayward and tardy lads.
Women entering the boy’s toilets to ensure they have been cleaned thoroughly after the camp, and to retrieve lost property.
Women walking the boy’s dormitories at night, shushing up the boys, and making the odd disruptive rogue stand outside the door in his pj’s.
Women pushing boys with low self esteem to try once more to conquer their fears with certain activities (perhaps a rock wall, or abseiling?)
Let me ask you this: given a choice, who would you really trust at the end of the belay rope, securing the full body weight of a 80kg muscle bound 17 year old young man, 20 metres up a rock face, should he slip?
How many school galas and garage sales see men present, usually manning the more physically demanding outdoor stalls and activities? Pitching tents, carting trestle tables etc? Were they all police-checked?
What about the school bus driver? Should they now be women-only, because it stands to reason that it’s inevitable that at some stage there will be only girls, or just one girl left alone on the bus?
How many sports do men, freely giving their spare time for the greater good of our children, coach?
Should we not now bar men from travelling on any bus or train that has school children on it, surely the logical extension of the Air NZ policy?
Now of course, I no more than any one else wish to see little Johnny or Janey sexually abused by anyone.
I in no way excuse the sexual abuse of any child by any adult, male or female (or of any adult, for that matter).
But we can all read the recent media reports of women teachers sexually abusing children; we can all familiarise ourselves with recent studies that show women feature much highly than supposed in the sexual abuser stakes.
And yes, some fathers do sexually abuse their children. So do some mothers. Statistically, more fathers than mothers. They are sick. They need serious help.
Sound research will tell you that men who are involved in the infant lives of their children (that translates to feeding, toileting, bathing, playing, reading etc), are very unlikely to abuse their children.
Why? They have a deep psychological bond with them. An attachment-bond exists.
It is no different to the bond that mothers have, except mothers have the added protector of having carried and nurtured the foetal baby, delivered and (often) breastfed them.
These men are the same men who will do whatever they can for their children.
For example, volunteer to help out at their child’s school camp.
They are not the sexual predators we seem to want to teach our kids that they are.
Now if a man walks in off the street, and volunteers to help out at his local school camp, by all means, be suspicious. Check him out.
Don’t forget to police check your baby-sitter; your child’s uncles; your neighbour; your current partner too.
[Studies report stepfathers as posing up to a hundred times more risk to your children than their fathers].
What about those grocers that used to slip us a sweet when our mum’s weren’t watching, with a wink and a smile! What were they up to?
Not to mention all those men out there who are queuing to sit next to your child on the bus, or at the local theatre, food court, playground etc.
Men, who might say hello to little children on the street. Or stop to help them?
As for single men sitting at McDonald’s, or those male swimmers down at your local pool – be especially wary of them!
I for one, if I am going to have to go through this each time I help out at my daughter’s school, forget it.
I simply can’t be bothered.
Count me one less willing and able volunteer, scratching himself from the list.
And remember this: a police check doesn’t guarantee your kid’s safety.
It simply means the next Jo / Joe Bloggs, sexual deviant and predator , simply hasn’t been caught yet!
He’s managed to dodge all that … so far.
By the way:
I agree whole-heartedly that men should not enter certain girl-privacy zones, and women likewise should not enter the corresponding areas for boys.
I just don’t see the need to crack a walnut with a sledgehammer.
Yet again, it is our children who will inevitably suffer.
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Couldn’t agree more. Problem is that now that we decline getting involved in our kids school activities, we get labelled as over-reacting lazy buggers who are just looking for an excuse to cop out! Daft thing is I actually enjoyed towing the kids (boys & girls alike) around on behind our boat on the last school camp at the coast. But now, I loose that pleasure because of the extreme actions of a bunch of hairy-legged perverted female policy makers who wouldn’t know one end of a dick from the other. They have won – women now dominate and there ain’t nothing we can do about it. On an aside, has anyone seen that yankee prog about the female president…. immagine the reaction if the same program with a male president demeaned women in the way that men are demeaned on that show? Talking is now of no use, we need action. One very pissed off “normal” male/father/bloke.
I enjoyed the article and the comment made by Owen. I too can remember that school culure was different when i attended. And i can remember growing up in australia with a society that had alot of problems dealing with sex amongst teenagers. I tell my teenage sons to be very careful when mixing with teenage girls and that they have to make sure the sex is 100% consensual because they can be arrested for rape. When i was a teenager the courts were having alot of problems concluding whether rape had occured or not. It wasn’t easy for either party and there were many times young women used to use the rape charges for revenge.
I write this because i believe our teenagers buck the system in an attempt for attention without understanding what they really want. My opinion is they want and need strong boundaries while going through so many changes.
Like it happened in my teenage years young women (who develop much earlier these days) will become confused with this new power they are now being given through all these rules.
Of course this power is also given to young men. From my experience in Australia we are in trouble if we as adults don’t rectify the bullshit.
It is so sad when a few bad apples affect the whole tree. All i can say is, “God help us” as a society.
Gender Bashing seems to be rife in the last few years in particular and I wonder sometimes who or what is behind it.
We have a ? leader who is a ? lesbian who historically advocated communism and who seeks to assume total control over our kids.
The same leader doesn’t care in the slightest about how many men or how many families are leaving NZ permanently under her ruthless GOVT.
All of this creates concern that we have in fact elected a sly dictator who is much more cunning but very similar to the likes of Hussein and Hitler.
I believe kids should be protected, but not to the extent of the persecution and alienation of adult males or the decline of the skilled adult male population of nz.
Helen is causing a great deal of harm to our kids and to our country in the long term. I am certain there is a hidden agenda here.
I wonder if NZ’ers would knowingly and willingly elect a male gay PM. I dont think so. Yet we will elect a lesbian PM who preaches the virtues of Soviet Communism. So Strange.
We fucked up and this whole country will pay for it I bet. And we will pay for a decade.
Yes, absolutely agree with the two previous comments. The tragedy of this is that we men are now utterly confused about what is expected of us (a major cause of marital breakdown). But, even more worrying – what do we teach our kids? I am in an [abnormal] happy marriage with two very well adapted and happy kids, a girl of 14 and a boy of 11. So what do I tell my son – “you must grow up to be a man and do all the risk taking things that males do” or “no – stay at home and help you mother in the house”. He accompanies me on all sorts of glorious outdoor activities and loves it, but am I doing him a diservice? When he grows up, he’ll be the odd one out. Already, he’s been sanctioned at primary school for answering the teacher’s question “what do you think of two men holding hands in public?”. His answer came from my phraseology and made him the odd one out. In any event, what the bloody hell has sexuality got to do with primary school teaching…. they say it is to do with acceptance! Well, I viciously reserve the right to bring my own kids up with the ideals and attitudes that I choose and no godamned smartarse politician is gonna do otherwise. The bottom line is, just as Lindsay Morris mentioned, we will bugger off to Oz where this PC crap simply is not tolerated. Communism and thought police are phrases that seem to be emerging from this PC shite.
THINK ABOUT THIS IF THE ‘TREND’CONTINUES.
1/ ALL KINDY TEACHERS WILL BE FEMALE.
2/ ALL CARE GIVERS WILL BE FEMALE
3/ ALL PRIMARY TEACHERS WILL BE FEMALE
4/ ALL SECONDARY TEACHERS WILL BE FEMALE
5/ ALL TERTIARY TEACHERS WILL BE BE FEMALE.
6/ MALE PARENTS WILL PLAY NO PART IN THE UPBRINGING OF THEIR CHILDREN WHATSOVER.
7/ NO MAN WILL BE ABLE TO DISCIPLINE HIS CHILDREN.
WITH ALL THIS AND EXCESSIVE TAXATION AND HARSH CHILD SUPPORT LAWS, HOW MANY MEN ACTUALLY WANT TO LIVE IN THIS COUNTRY NOW ESPECIALLY WHEN AUSTRALIA HAVE INTRODUCED REFORMS WHICH MAKE IT FAR FAR BETTER PLACE TO LIVE IN???????????????
I FEEL SO SAD FOR OUR KIDS AND THE PROBLEMS AND VIOLENCE THEY ARE BOUND TO FACE IN THE YEARS TO COME.
YEAH…FIRST CHANCE I GET I WILL LEAVE NZ FOR AUSTRALIA AND MY EX WIFE AND HER NEW BOYFRIEND AND HIS SON AGREE.
MY 8 YO SON IS BETTER OF IN AUS AS WE ALL ARE.
If we stop giving our time to our childrens schools and clubs etc etc then the fems have won. Yes its offensive that I will require a police check to go to a school camp or help out on the visit to the zoo etc but no-one is going to stop me. I simply will not let them get the better of me. I will attend and help out as much as I can to prove a point that males esp fathers are reqd and need to be valued so we can do our thing for our kids.
Dont give up on your kids because they want to vett you. You are innocent (more than likely) and we should be swamping our schools with offers of help and assistance and take back our part of the domain!!
It’s a DOWNWARD spiral. I see happening now like this :
1. It has been prooven that boys without fathers are at a greater risk of becoming violent/criminals.
2. The radical feminist regime holding our government hostage at the moment is totally focused on removing all Men ( or in thier eyes violent offenders/paedophiles etc – guilty until proven innocent) from thier families.
3. Thus, we see a cycle of each generation having more fatherless boys and therefore more crimnals.
This coupled with media hype, and the pathetic PC fad is leading our society to either drive all Men from NZ ( remember the 40,000 Male deficit saga ? ) or a dictatorship feminist state, with all of us Men in prison.
For the David Benson-Pope saga – I reckon he was just trying to do his job. He probably heard something going on in the dorm like a fight, and stepped in to deal with it.
What is the deal with people who look at thier gender/race/etc history and find out what thier ancestors went through 80, 200 or 2000 years ago and pretend it happened to them, and still is happening to them as if they are going through it themselves now when they are clearly priviledged above others in society ?
Applying current social beliefs to sometime in history, and then drawing a crime from that should be a crime itself.
please tell me what am i meant to do when i have a shared parenting order [i have my son and daughter 6 out of 14 nights] and my ex-wife states that i have made sexual advances towards my 3 1/2 yr son when i and everyone who knows me knows that this is an absolute lie…cyfs wont even interview me??????yet im at the centre of the allegation????whats up with these govt departments any answers would be greatly appreaciated thanks…. izzyc@clear.net.nz
women do really dirty tricks like that, when they are losing, but she must be extremely evil woman to do that. I guess that the answer to your question is that you will be facing even more shit and as ever, we have no rights, see the links to COSA on this site. You have my sympathies Izzy, what is in these F***ing evil womens’ heads ? THe authorities will be against you until some F***wit judge decides that the allegations are not true, she will not be punished for making the allegation, same old story, WHEN WILL IS IT ALL GOING TO CHANGE ? I hope that you cope OK
Hi Izzy, i know how you feel, 4yrs fighting to keep her son and daughter, this bitch was told to stay out of my wifes life and 10 days later made a sexual abuse allegation where she won custody of my wifes son but there was no police involved, the 2yrs my wife stayed with this family all they talked about was sex, wouldnt surprise me if they were touching him in a sexual way, sorry but these allegations dont have to be proven