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		<title>By: Hadi Akbari</title>
		<link>http://menz.org.nz/2006/whyi-wont-be-attending-school-camp/#comment-179404</link>
		<dc:creator>Hadi Akbari</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Aug 2008 08:25:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Izzy, i know how you feel, 4yrs fighting to keep her son and daughter, this bitch was told to stay out of my wifes life and 10 days later made a sexual abuse allegation where she won custody of my wifes son but there was no police involved, the 2yrs my wife stayed with this family all they talked about was sex, wouldnt surprise me if they were touching him in a sexual way, sorry but these allegations dont have to be proven</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Izzy, i know how you feel, 4yrs fighting to keep her son and daughter, this bitch was told to stay out of my wifes life and 10 days later made a sexual abuse allegation where she won custody of my wifes son but there was no police involved, the 2yrs my wife stayed with this family all they talked about was sex, wouldnt surprise me if they were touching him in a sexual way, sorry but these allegations dont have to be proven</p>
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		<title>By: Perseus</title>
		<link>http://menz.org.nz/2006/whyi-wont-be-attending-school-camp/#comment-179374</link>
		<dc:creator>Perseus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Aug 2008 07:36:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>women do really dirty tricks like that, when they are losing, but she must be extremely evil woman to do that. I guess that the answer to your question is that you will be facing even more shit and as ever, we have no rights, see the links to COSA on this site. You have my sympathies Izzy, what is in these F***ing evil womens' heads ? THe authorities will be against you until some F***wit judge decides that the allegations are not true, she will not be punished for making the allegation, same old story, WHEN WILL IS IT ALL GOING TO CHANGE ? I hope that you cope OK</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>women do really dirty tricks like that, when they are losing, but she must be extremely evil woman to do that. I guess that the answer to your question is that you will be facing even more shit and as ever, we have no rights, see the links to COSA on this site. You have my sympathies Izzy, what is in these F***ing evil womens&#8217; heads ? THe authorities will be against you until some F***wit judge decides that the allegations are not true, she will not be punished for making the allegation, same old story, WHEN WILL IS IT ALL GOING TO CHANGE ? I hope that you cope OK</p>
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		<title>By: izzy</title>
		<link>http://menz.org.nz/2006/whyi-wont-be-attending-school-camp/#comment-179344</link>
		<dc:creator>izzy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Aug 2008 06:02:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>please tell me what am i meant to do when i have a shared parenting order [i have my son and daughter 6 out of 14 nights] and my ex-wife states that i have made sexual advances towards my 3 1/2 yr son when i and everyone who knows me knows that this is an absolute lie...cyfs wont even interview me??????yet im at the centre of the allegation????whats up with these govt departments any answers would be greatly appreaciated thanks....    izzyc@clear.net.nz</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>please tell me what am i meant to do when i have a shared parenting order [i have my son and daughter 6 out of 14 nights] and my ex-wife states that i have made sexual advances towards my 3 1/2 yr son when i and everyone who knows me knows that this is an absolute lie&#8230;cyfs wont even interview me??????yet im at the centre of the allegation????whats up with these govt departments any answers would be greatly appreaciated thanks&#8230;.    <a href="mailto:izzyc@clear.net.nz">izzyc@clear.net.nz</a></p>
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		<title>By: Moose</title>
		<link>http://menz.org.nz/2006/whyi-wont-be-attending-school-camp/#comment-42903</link>
		<dc:creator>Moose</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Mar 2006 09:48:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It's a DOWNWARD spiral. I see happening now like this :

1. It has been prooven that boys without fathers   are at a greater risk of becoming violent/criminals.

2. The radical feminist regime holding our government hostage at the moment is totally focused on removing all Men ( or in thier eyes violent offenders/paedophiles etc - guilty until proven innocent) from thier families.

3. Thus, we see a cycle of each generation having more fatherless boys and therefore more crimnals.

This coupled with media hype, and the pathetic PC fad is leading our society to either drive all Men from NZ ( remember the 40,000 Male deficit saga ? ) or a dictatorship feminist state, with all of us Men in prison.

For the David Benson-Pope saga - I reckon he was just trying to do his job. He probably heard something going on in the dorm like a fight, and stepped in to deal with it.

What is the deal with people who look at thier gender/race/etc history and find out what thier ancestors went through 80, 200 or 2000 years ago and pretend it happened to them, and still is happening to them as if they are going through it themselves now when they are clearly priviledged above others in society ?

Applying current social beliefs to sometime in history, and then drawing a crime from that should be a crime itself.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s a DOWNWARD spiral. I see happening now like this :</p>
<p>1. It has been prooven that boys without fathers   are at a greater risk of becoming violent/criminals.</p>
<p>2. The radical feminist regime holding our government hostage at the moment is totally focused on removing all Men ( or in thier eyes violent offenders/paedophiles etc - guilty until proven innocent) from thier families.</p>
<p>3. Thus, we see a cycle of each generation having more fatherless boys and therefore more crimnals.</p>
<p>This coupled with media hype, and the pathetic PC fad is leading our society to either drive all Men from NZ ( remember the 40,000 Male deficit saga ? ) or a dictatorship feminist state, with all of us Men in prison.</p>
<p>For the David Benson-Pope saga - I reckon he was just trying to do his job. He probably heard something going on in the dorm like a fight, and stepped in to deal with it.</p>
<p>What is the deal with people who look at thier gender/race/etc history and find out what thier ancestors went through 80, 200 or 2000 years ago and pretend it happened to them, and still is happening to them as if they are going through it themselves now when they are clearly priviledged above others in society ?</p>
<p>Applying current social beliefs to sometime in history, and then drawing a crime from that should be a crime itself.</p>
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		<title>By: MarkL</title>
		<link>http://menz.org.nz/2006/whyi-wont-be-attending-school-camp/#comment-42874</link>
		<dc:creator>MarkL</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Feb 2006 20:01:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If we stop giving our time to our childrens schools and clubs etc etc then the fems have won. Yes its offensive that I will require a police check to go to a school camp or help out on the visit to the zoo etc but no-one is going to stop me. I simply will not let them get the better of me. I will attend and help out as much as I can to prove a point that males esp fathers are reqd and need to be valued so we can do our thing for our kids.

Dont give up on your kids because they want to vett you. You are innocent (more than likely) and we should be swamping our schools with offers of help and assistance and take back our part of the domain!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If we stop giving our time to our childrens schools and clubs etc etc then the fems have won. Yes its offensive that I will require a police check to go to a school camp or help out on the visit to the zoo etc but no-one is going to stop me. I simply will not let them get the better of me. I will attend and help out as much as I can to prove a point that males esp fathers are reqd and need to be valued so we can do our thing for our kids.</p>
<p>Dont give up on your kids because they want to vett you. You are innocent (more than likely) and we should be swamping our schools with offers of help and assistance and take back our part of the domain!!</p>
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		<title>By: Morris Lindsay</title>
		<link>http://menz.org.nz/2006/whyi-wont-be-attending-school-camp/#comment-42867</link>
		<dc:creator>Morris Lindsay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Feb 2006 11:16:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>THINK ABOUT THIS IF THE 'TREND'CONTINUES.

1/ ALL KINDY TEACHERS WILL BE FEMALE.

2/ ALL CARE GIVERS WILL BE FEMALE

3/ ALL PRIMARY TEACHERS WILL BE FEMALE

4/ ALL SECONDARY TEACHERS WILL BE FEMALE

5/ ALL TERTIARY TEACHERS WILL BE BE FEMALE. 

6/ MALE PARENTS WILL PLAY NO PART IN THE UPBRINGING OF THEIR CHILDREN WHATSOVER.

7/ NO MAN WILL BE ABLE TO DISCIPLINE HIS CHILDREN. 


WITH ALL THIS AND EXCESSIVE TAXATION AND HARSH CHILD SUPPORT LAWS, HOW MANY MEN ACTUALLY WANT TO LIVE IN THIS COUNTRY NOW ESPECIALLY WHEN AUSTRALIA HAVE INTRODUCED REFORMS WHICH MAKE IT FAR FAR BETTER PLACE TO LIVE IN???????????????

I FEEL SO SAD FOR OUR KIDS AND THE PROBLEMS AND VIOLENCE THEY ARE BOUND TO FACE IN THE YEARS TO COME.

YEAH...FIRST CHANCE I GET I WILL LEAVE NZ FOR AUSTRALIA AND MY EX WIFE AND HER NEW BOYFRIEND AND HIS SON AGREE. 

MY 8 YO SON IS BETTER OF IN AUS AS WE ALL ARE.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>THINK ABOUT THIS IF THE &#8216;TREND&#8217;CONTINUES.</p>
<p>1/ ALL KINDY TEACHERS WILL BE FEMALE.</p>
<p>2/ ALL CARE GIVERS WILL BE FEMALE</p>
<p>3/ ALL PRIMARY TEACHERS WILL BE FEMALE</p>
<p>4/ ALL SECONDARY TEACHERS WILL BE FEMALE</p>
<p>5/ ALL TERTIARY TEACHERS WILL BE BE FEMALE. </p>
<p>6/ MALE PARENTS WILL PLAY NO PART IN THE UPBRINGING OF THEIR CHILDREN WHATSOVER.</p>
<p>7/ NO MAN WILL BE ABLE TO DISCIPLINE HIS CHILDREN. </p>
<p>WITH ALL THIS AND EXCESSIVE TAXATION AND HARSH CHILD SUPPORT LAWS, HOW MANY MEN ACTUALLY WANT TO LIVE IN THIS COUNTRY NOW ESPECIALLY WHEN AUSTRALIA HAVE INTRODUCED REFORMS WHICH MAKE IT FAR FAR BETTER PLACE TO LIVE IN???????????????</p>
<p>I FEEL SO SAD FOR OUR KIDS AND THE PROBLEMS AND VIOLENCE THEY ARE BOUND TO FACE IN THE YEARS TO COME.</p>
<p>YEAH&#8230;FIRST CHANCE I GET I WILL LEAVE NZ FOR AUSTRALIA AND MY EX WIFE AND HER NEW BOYFRIEND AND HIS SON AGREE. </p>
<p>MY 8 YO SON IS BETTER OF IN AUS AS WE ALL ARE.</p>
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		<title>By: Owen</title>
		<link>http://menz.org.nz/2006/whyi-wont-be-attending-school-camp/#comment-42863</link>
		<dc:creator>Owen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Feb 2006 10:58:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, absolutely agree with the two previous comments. The tragedy of this is that we men are now utterly confused about what is expected of us (a major cause of marital breakdown). But, even more worrying - what do we teach our kids? I am in an [abnormal] happy marriage with two very well adapted and happy kids, a girl of 14 and a boy of 11. So what do I tell my son - "you must grow up to be a man and do all the risk taking things that males do" or "no - stay at home and help you mother in the house". He accompanies me on all sorts of glorious outdoor activities and loves it, but am I doing him a diservice? When he grows up, he'll be the odd one out. Already, he's been sanctioned at primary school for answering the teacher's question "what do you think of two men holding hands in public?". His answer came from my phraseology and made him the odd one out. In any event, what the bloody hell has sexuality got to do with primary school teaching.... they say it is to do with acceptance! Well, I viciously reserve the right to bring my own kids up with the ideals and attitudes that I choose and no godamned smartarse politician is gonna do otherwise. The bottom line is, just as Lindsay Morris mentioned, we will bugger off to Oz where this PC crap simply is not tolerated. Communism and thought police are phrases that seem to be emerging from this PC shite.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, absolutely agree with the two previous comments. The tragedy of this is that we men are now utterly confused about what is expected of us (a major cause of marital breakdown). But, even more worrying - what do we teach our kids? I am in an [abnormal] happy marriage with two very well adapted and happy kids, a girl of 14 and a boy of 11. So what do I tell my son - &#8220;you must grow up to be a man and do all the risk taking things that males do&#8221; or &#8220;no - stay at home and help you mother in the house&#8221;. He accompanies me on all sorts of glorious outdoor activities and loves it, but am I doing him a diservice? When he grows up, he&#8217;ll be the odd one out. Already, he&#8217;s been sanctioned at primary school for answering the teacher&#8217;s question &#8220;what do you think of two men holding hands in public?&#8221;. His answer came from my phraseology and made him the odd one out. In any event, what the bloody hell has sexuality got to do with primary school teaching&#8230;. they say it is to do with acceptance! Well, I viciously reserve the right to bring my own kids up with the ideals and attitudes that I choose and no godamned smartarse politician is gonna do otherwise. The bottom line is, just as Lindsay Morris mentioned, we will bugger off to Oz where this PC crap simply is not tolerated. Communism and thought police are phrases that seem to be emerging from this PC shite.</p>
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		<title>By: Morris Lindsay</title>
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		<dc:creator>Morris Lindsay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Feb 2006 10:45:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gender Bashing seems to be rife in the last few years in particular and I wonder sometimes who or what is behind it. 

We have a ? leader who is a ? lesbian who historically advocated communism and who seeks to assume total control over our kids. 

The same leader doesn't care in the slightest about how many men or how many families are leaving NZ permanently under her ruthless GOVT.

All of this creates concern that we have in fact elected a sly dictator who is much more cunning but very similar to the likes of Hussein and Hitler.  

I believe kids should be protected, but not to the extent of the persecution and alienation of adult males or the decline of the skilled adult male population of nz. 

Helen is causing a great deal of harm to our kids and to our country in the long term. I am certain there is a hidden agenda here. 

I wonder if NZ'ers would knowingly and willingly elect a male gay PM. I dont think so. Yet we will elect a lesbian PM who preaches the virtues of Soviet Communism. So Strange.  

We fucked up and this whole country will pay for it I bet. And we will pay for a decade.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gender Bashing seems to be rife in the last few years in particular and I wonder sometimes who or what is behind it. </p>
<p>We have a ? leader who is a ? lesbian who historically advocated communism and who seeks to assume total control over our kids. </p>
<p>The same leader doesn&#8217;t care in the slightest about how many men or how many families are leaving NZ permanently under her ruthless GOVT.</p>
<p>All of this creates concern that we have in fact elected a sly dictator who is much more cunning but very similar to the likes of Hussein and Hitler.  </p>
<p>I believe kids should be protected, but not to the extent of the persecution and alienation of adult males or the decline of the skilled adult male population of nz. </p>
<p>Helen is causing a great deal of harm to our kids and to our country in the long term. I am certain there is a hidden agenda here. </p>
<p>I wonder if NZ&#8217;ers would knowingly and willingly elect a male gay PM. I dont think so. Yet we will elect a lesbian PM who preaches the virtues of Soviet Communism. So Strange.  </p>
<p>We fucked up and this whole country will pay for it I bet. And we will pay for a decade.</p>
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		<title>By: Julie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Julie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Feb 2006 09:00:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I enjoyed the article and the comment made by Owen. I too can remember that school culure was different when i attended. And i can remember growing up in australia with a society that had alot of problems dealing with sex amongst teenagers. I tell my teenage sons to be very careful when mixing with teenage girls and that they have to make sure the sex is 100% consensual because they can be arrested for rape. When i was a teenager the courts were having alot of problems concluding whether rape had occured or not. It wasn't easy for either party and there were many times young women used to use the rape charges for revenge. 

I write this because i believe our teenagers buck the system in an attempt for attention without understanding what they really want. My opinion is they want and need strong boundaries while going through so many changes. 

Like it happened in my teenage years young women (who develop much earlier these days) will become confused with this new power they are now being given through all these rules. 

Of course this power is also given to young men. From my experience in Australia we are in trouble if we as adults don't rectify the bullshit.

It is so sad when a few bad apples affect the whole tree. All i can say is, "God help us" as a society.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I enjoyed the article and the comment made by Owen. I too can remember that school culure was different when i attended. And i can remember growing up in australia with a society that had alot of problems dealing with sex amongst teenagers. I tell my teenage sons to be very careful when mixing with teenage girls and that they have to make sure the sex is 100% consensual because they can be arrested for rape. When i was a teenager the courts were having alot of problems concluding whether rape had occured or not. It wasn&#8217;t easy for either party and there were many times young women used to use the rape charges for revenge. </p>
<p>I write this because i believe our teenagers buck the system in an attempt for attention without understanding what they really want. My opinion is they want and need strong boundaries while going through so many changes. </p>
<p>Like it happened in my teenage years young women (who develop much earlier these days) will become confused with this new power they are now being given through all these rules. </p>
<p>Of course this power is also given to young men. From my experience in Australia we are in trouble if we as adults don&#8217;t rectify the bullshit.</p>
<p>It is so sad when a few bad apples affect the whole tree. All i can say is, &#8220;God help us&#8221; as a society.</p>
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		<title>By: Owen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Owen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Feb 2006 05:27:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Couldn't agree more. Problem is that now that we decline getting involved in our kids school activities, we get labelled as over-reacting lazy buggers who are just looking for an excuse to cop out! Daft thing is I actually enjoyed towing the kids (boys &#38; girls alike) around on behind our boat on the last school camp at the coast. But now, I loose that pleasure because of the extreme actions of a bunch of hairy-legged perverted female policy makers who wouldn't know one end of a dick from the other. They have won - women now dominate and there ain't nothing we can do about it. On an aside, has anyone seen that yankee prog about the female president.... immagine the reaction if the same program with a male president demeaned women in the way that men are demeaned on that show? Talking is now of no use, we need action. One very pissed off "normal" male/father/bloke.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Couldn&#8217;t agree more. Problem is that now that we decline getting involved in our kids school activities, we get labelled as over-reacting lazy buggers who are just looking for an excuse to cop out! Daft thing is I actually enjoyed towing the kids (boys &amp; girls alike) around on behind our boat on the last school camp at the coast. But now, I loose that pleasure because of the extreme actions of a bunch of hairy-legged perverted female policy makers who wouldn&#8217;t know one end of a dick from the other. They have won - women now dominate and there ain&#8217;t nothing we can do about it. On an aside, has anyone seen that yankee prog about the female president&#8230;. immagine the reaction if the same program with a male president demeaned women in the way that men are demeaned on that show? Talking is now of no use, we need action. One very pissed off &#8220;normal&#8221; male/father/bloke.</p>
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