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		<title>By: julie</title>
		<link>http://menz.org.nz/2007/1642/comment-page-1/#comment-123571</link>
		<dc:creator>julie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Aug 2007 04:57:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Now Benjamin, 

I come across even meaner. I don&#039;t mean to say that the world is all good and that it is people who bring things upon themselves. Well, not now that I know feminism is a real pain for males. I didn&#039;t know this as many men themselves don&#039;t know this. Anyhow. enough babbling on. 

Somewhere, someday, somehow, I will change but it is just not this day. lol Maybe tomorrow.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Now Benjamin, </p>
<p>I come across even meaner. I don&#8217;t mean to say that the world is all good and that it is people who bring things upon themselves. Well, not now that I know feminism is a real pain for males. I didn&#8217;t know this as many men themselves don&#8217;t know this. Anyhow. enough babbling on. </p>
<p>Somewhere, someday, somehow, I will change but it is just not this day. lol Maybe tomorrow.</p>
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		<title>By: julie</title>
		<link>http://menz.org.nz/2007/1642/comment-page-1/#comment-123570</link>
		<dc:creator>julie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Aug 2007 04:29:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gosh thanx Benjamin, 

I do speak about this to my male friends. I don&#039;t live in the same world as MRA or feminists. I am sure of it. So, I find it hard to fit in. 

I will kick a male and I have once (not hard and not abusively) but I WILL do it to make sure he doesn&#039;t get into a state of, &quot;I feel sorry for myself&quot; because that is sooooo destructive. 

Men&#039;s lives are at stake to fall in this trap of victim hood just as females are. And I am no softer to them. There are heaps of people out here that don&#039;t fall for this crap. 

And that sort of makes us different from masculinists and feminists. I struggle to be a part of this victim shite. So I am hard. Hard is good for the hard core but not for the soft. And today we have a lot of soft people. I am not very good at relating to them. Yet I have watched them die. I am not sure what to do with them. So just like most people who are caught between PC and the real world, I am outside of the mainstream.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gosh thanx Benjamin, </p>
<p>I do speak about this to my male friends. I don&#8217;t live in the same world as MRA or feminists. I am sure of it. So, I find it hard to fit in. </p>
<p>I will kick a male and I have once (not hard and not abusively) but I WILL do it to make sure he doesn&#8217;t get into a state of, &#8220;I feel sorry for myself&#8221; because that is sooooo destructive. </p>
<p>Men&#8217;s lives are at stake to fall in this trap of victim hood just as females are. And I am no softer to them. There are heaps of people out here that don&#8217;t fall for this crap. </p>
<p>And that sort of makes us different from masculinists and feminists. I struggle to be a part of this victim shite. So I am hard. Hard is good for the hard core but not for the soft. And today we have a lot of soft people. I am not very good at relating to them. Yet I have watched them die. I am not sure what to do with them. So just like most people who are caught between PC and the real world, I am outside of the mainstream.</p>
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		<title>By: Benjamin Easton</title>
		<link>http://menz.org.nz/2007/1642/comment-page-1/#comment-123569</link>
		<dc:creator>Benjamin Easton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Aug 2007 04:03:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You alright there Julie? You seem to be facing the wall. Turn around :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You alright there Julie? You seem to be facing the wall. Turn around <img src='http://menz.org.nz/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: julie</title>
		<link>http://menz.org.nz/2007/1642/comment-page-1/#comment-123565</link>
		<dc:creator>julie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Aug 2007 02:26:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think I may have gone overboard in challenging Benjamin online. I am sure there are a number of MRA&#039;s that would look down on me or be fearful of me because I am acting like their wives or feminists may to them. 

So, what can I do? Well, I can&#039;t change what has happened but I can learn from it. 

To the writer of this post.... I hope you do not stop writing on this site just because I am scary. That would be sad to loose such wisdom.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think I may have gone overboard in challenging Benjamin online. I am sure there are a number of MRA&#8217;s that would look down on me or be fearful of me because I am acting like their wives or feminists may to them. </p>
<p>So, what can I do? Well, I can&#8217;t change what has happened but I can learn from it. </p>
<p>To the writer of this post&#8230;. I hope you do not stop writing on this site just because I am scary. That would be sad to loose such wisdom.</p>
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		<title>By: julie</title>
		<link>http://menz.org.nz/2007/1642/comment-page-1/#comment-123227</link>
		<dc:creator>julie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Aug 2007 06:18:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Benjamin #31

&lt;blockquote&gt;Relative to a sexual union with me Julie, you are not for me, if this is in anyway to be inferred or implied.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I don&#039;t blame you. lol</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Benjamin #31</p>
<blockquote><p>Relative to a sexual union with me Julie, you are not for me, if this is in anyway to be inferred or implied.</p></blockquote>
<p>I don&#8217;t blame you. lol</p>
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		<title>By: Benjamin Easton</title>
		<link>http://menz.org.nz/2007/1642/comment-page-1/#comment-123224</link>
		<dc:creator>Benjamin Easton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Aug 2007 04:12:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Relative to a sexual union with me Julie, you are not for me, if this is in anyway to be inferred or implied.

In regards to your consistencies with getting a societal damage under control you are already streets ahead of other women, where you step beyond those elements that hurt others, for whatever reason challenging on and on. That: is a demand in humanity. If your genuine as you present then you deserve any accolade you are so awarded.

You haven&#039;t offended me in the slightest. My mother is one of the toughest nuts around. Where do you think my &quot;stubbornness&quot; came from ?

Maori is the plural. Maoris don&#039;t exist; nor should they be so judged. Your not Maori as nor are you male.

So now that&#039;s clear, if it is indeed clear as you perceive keep doing what you are doing, you are doing a fantastic job.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Relative to a sexual union with me Julie, you are not for me, if this is in anyway to be inferred or implied.</p>
<p>In regards to your consistencies with getting a societal damage under control you are already streets ahead of other women, where you step beyond those elements that hurt others, for whatever reason challenging on and on. That: is a demand in humanity. If your genuine as you present then you deserve any accolade you are so awarded.</p>
<p>You haven&#8217;t offended me in the slightest. My mother is one of the toughest nuts around. Where do you think my &#8220;stubbornness&#8221; came from ?</p>
<p>Maori is the plural. Maoris don&#8217;t exist; nor should they be so judged. Your not Maori as nor are you male.</p>
<p>So now that&#8217;s clear, if it is indeed clear as you perceive keep doing what you are doing, you are doing a fantastic job.</p>
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		<title>By: julie</title>
		<link>http://menz.org.nz/2007/1642/comment-page-1/#comment-123215</link>
		<dc:creator>julie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Aug 2007 01:46:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Benjamin, 

I am glad you are still writing back to me. I feel sick when I am challenging you because I make it personal and it is an attack on you. 

I know what Jim thinks of me. I know he likes me as a person and I like him. But I fear he waits for me to fail. And I fear that I won&#039;t. I know that sounds silly but it will affect him. He has a lot of wisdom but I don&#039;t listen because I have to try. It is in my nature to do this. 

When you think I am not for you, then I get upset. You do not need to question me and you don&#039;t need to fear me. I am not wanting to be a champion. If you think I am over stepping the mark into male&#039;s territory then wait and see what the likes of the Maoris will think. 

I can get myself into trouble But that is why I am just wanting to put the word out there. 

Your mother isn&#039;t being dragged into this but I do listen to mothers about their sons. Sometimes they know them better than they know themselves. lol

Sorry, if I have offended you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Benjamin, </p>
<p>I am glad you are still writing back to me. I feel sick when I am challenging you because I make it personal and it is an attack on you. </p>
<p>I know what Jim thinks of me. I know he likes me as a person and I like him. But I fear he waits for me to fail. And I fear that I won&#8217;t. I know that sounds silly but it will affect him. He has a lot of wisdom but I don&#8217;t listen because I have to try. It is in my nature to do this. </p>
<p>When you think I am not for you, then I get upset. You do not need to question me and you don&#8217;t need to fear me. I am not wanting to be a champion. If you think I am over stepping the mark into male&#8217;s territory then wait and see what the likes of the Maoris will think. </p>
<p>I can get myself into trouble But that is why I am just wanting to put the word out there. </p>
<p>Your mother isn&#8217;t being dragged into this but I do listen to mothers about their sons. Sometimes they know them better than they know themselves. lol</p>
<p>Sorry, if I have offended you.</p>
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		<title>By: Benjamin Easton</title>
		<link>http://menz.org.nz/2007/1642/comment-page-1/#comment-123212</link>
		<dc:creator>Benjamin Easton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Aug 2007 01:00:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nature is a commodity to be marketed only by its exploitation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nature is a commodity to be marketed only by its exploitation.</p>
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		<title>By: Benjamin Easton</title>
		<link>http://menz.org.nz/2007/1642/comment-page-1/#comment-123210</link>
		<dc:creator>Benjamin Easton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Aug 2007 00:22:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ll read the Stuff link next. I believe it can be marked from what you say, for its unprecedented existence that it will begin to excite tinking and the vacuum of efficient and effective blokes in our society working against the oppression will be sought. They, of course, will be found from within the ranks of those presently articulate who accomodate the oppression - sort of like Julie&#039;s complaint on Warwick Pudney.

Word for word agreement Stephen, and most especially where you emphasise what one any could expect from the present administrations as to how they respond. That&#039;s where I come in. That is where things now are entirely different. You haven&#039;t yet tasted the spoils of my arguments because they have never beofre been presented and their result born as reframing societal presumptions into the realm of human functionality.

Your value in this will be extraordinary where you (like Scrap et al) will be one of those individuals who has spent countless hours exploring the condition and evasive practices of an oppressive societal block. When I say block I talk about the Great Wall of Feminism. But to be valuable you have to comprehend what is happening in order effectively to compete, and MGTOW is far from competing with a wall, it is saying to the feminists - you tear it down and then come and talk to us. Yeah right - tui tui tuiau.

Thank you for your respect for our efforts. I am saying we need you. I am not really interested in how you have built your approach to the problems in the past with the application you chose of MGTOW. What I am interested in is NOW. You&#039;ve helped to achieve change - because just like Jim Bagnall you are a fighter to the end, philisophically and practically - you will have voided your emotional secuurities in order to challenge the adverse conditions about which you complain - but you haven&#039;t been direct. Now - for the first time you have that opportunity. You can fly that flag with confidence that teh great wall of feminism has a massive crack all through its foundation. That crack is where women have decided to abandon their natural responsibility to children in order to better life for themselves. Well fiar enough - yet they have bastardarised the child as if that is a valuable commodity. Exploit it to bring change.

cherbro -
Benjamin.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ll read the Stuff link next. I believe it can be marked from what you say, for its unprecedented existence that it will begin to excite tinking and the vacuum of efficient and effective blokes in our society working against the oppression will be sought. They, of course, will be found from within the ranks of those presently articulate who accomodate the oppression &#8211; sort of like Julie&#8217;s complaint on Warwick Pudney.</p>
<p>Word for word agreement Stephen, and most especially where you emphasise what one any could expect from the present administrations as to how they respond. That&#8217;s where I come in. That is where things now are entirely different. You haven&#8217;t yet tasted the spoils of my arguments because they have never beofre been presented and their result born as reframing societal presumptions into the realm of human functionality.</p>
<p>Your value in this will be extraordinary where you (like Scrap et al) will be one of those individuals who has spent countless hours exploring the condition and evasive practices of an oppressive societal block. When I say block I talk about the Great Wall of Feminism. But to be valuable you have to comprehend what is happening in order effectively to compete, and MGTOW is far from competing with a wall, it is saying to the feminists &#8211; you tear it down and then come and talk to us. Yeah right &#8211; tui tui tuiau.</p>
<p>Thank you for your respect for our efforts. I am saying we need you. I am not really interested in how you have built your approach to the problems in the past with the application you chose of MGTOW. What I am interested in is NOW. You&#8217;ve helped to achieve change &#8211; because just like Jim Bagnall you are a fighter to the end, philisophically and practically &#8211; you will have voided your emotional secuurities in order to challenge the adverse conditions about which you complain &#8211; but you haven&#8217;t been direct. Now &#8211; for the first time you have that opportunity. You can fly that flag with confidence that teh great wall of feminism has a massive crack all through its foundation. That crack is where women have decided to abandon their natural responsibility to children in order to better life for themselves. Well fiar enough &#8211; yet they have bastardarised the child as if that is a valuable commodity. Exploit it to bring change.</p>
<p>cherbro -<br />
Benjamin.</p>
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		<title>By: Stephen</title>
		<link>http://menz.org.nz/2007/1642/comment-page-1/#comment-123209</link>
		<dc:creator>Stephen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Aug 2007 00:18:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks Rob.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Rob.</p>
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