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	<title>Comments on: Jimmy Bagnall</title>
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		<title>By: swashy</title>
		<link>http://menz.org.nz/2007/1704/#comment-128422</link>
		<dc:creator>swashy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Nov 2007 22:23:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is what is needed ! All sorts of pressure must be applied, from being fathers AND activism AND other action, also it must have a broad base to be successful and must NEVER EVER be violent !</description>
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		<title>By: Benjamin Easton</title>
		<link>http://menz.org.nz/2007/1704/#comment-124476</link>
		<dc:creator>Benjamin Easton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Sep 2007 03:34:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Julie,

Willie Jackson. He and JT are both standing for mayoralty. WJ, I believe wants a one mayor fits all option and if so, along with, as they describe each other, "my mate" JT they command a significant portion of common thinking (I think this, not suprisingly, is how all talk back show hosts think).

Additionaly to add to their calculable appeal, the middle ground Maori vote is well and truly within their ability to harness. If there is, as there seems to be, a general revival of Maori tikanga and that this revival expand as welcomed into mainstream thinking, then these two fellows can round up and lasso a full posse of convinced and convicted voters. 

I am being exceptionally facetious out of frustration and anger after watching, only in part, WJ's show on Eye to Eye from Front of the Box on Saturday morning. Heather Henare and a fellow from a national body challenging domestic violence were interviewed on one side of the debate with the Deputy Police Commissioner and a Family Court lawyer the other. They were all concentrating on the recent report from Hamilton and the occurance of domestic violence with women's general inaccess to aquire protection orders. 

I found the first part of the debate primarily offensive where the only challenging comment WJ made to step up against an oppressive society that conditions domestic violecne into its various departments and societies of collective well being was WJ attempting to pick up on the Family Court lawyers (if) inconsistency for something she wrote previously against her in interview statement that "DPO's were not that hard to get". The most frustrating limitation WJ presented was the leading statement to the male from the national body of "so men have no rights in this". He was satisfied as non controversial the answer of "No, it is all about security".

This kind of game play is tiring when individually I have spent so many hours separated from my son and daughter proving irrefutably that women's violence is an unlimited condition of exploitation as lasso'ed by those in the media industry tanning the citizen's backsides like its the COC Bill in leather.

It would have been too gruelling to watch another segment of this exploitation rewarding, (by regarding) itself as profound for its ability to construct the truth. There are no effective measures to isolate manipulating social circumstances as a form of domestic violence.

This manipulation which the media demand they must ignore is an exploitable commodity for which the public pay handsomly cooing on cue going "oooh" and "aaah" as horrific anecdotes (few in number of the model taken) of men's violence outweigh every other connection with what is "really" happening.

WJ and JT, who are used now to the limelight and can capitalise upon that limelight in confidence will establish these political strengths into harvestable votes.

However, I do not believe that they should be so confident either for the credentials of calling a few MP's "front bums", maybe even, fashioning an illusion through coloured eye or eye, to what "front of the box" could possibly mean, being promoted by Willie Jack son protecting women from men, or any assumption under indigenous politics. 

At some stage these people who run the media are going to have to take a better stock of and thereby be accountable to truth. That would be refreshing.

Sorry, that was a long answer to a simple question, yet its construction was to establish a reasonable ground to answer davel, who is in the same realm as most other NZ's who simply reject the demand to observe the truth.

There is only one version to the Treaty of Waitangi. That is the Maori version. Until this is consolidated from history and constituted into a collective future, the adversity of complications, as naturally by corruption factored into any national condition or realm of reason (if it is not too late) will never be resolved. This means that the subjective view (ie republicanism) has no grounds of authority until the principality of objectivity (once defined) has been established as a base.

"Until we observe being truthful the climate can never change".</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Julie,</p>
<p>Willie Jackson. He and JT are both standing for mayoralty. WJ, I believe wants a one mayor fits all option and if so, along with, as they describe each other, &#8220;my mate&#8221; JT they command a significant portion of common thinking (I think this, not suprisingly, is how all talk back show hosts think).</p>
<p>Additionaly to add to their calculable appeal, the middle ground Maori vote is well and truly within their ability to harness. If there is, as there seems to be, a general revival of Maori tikanga and that this revival expand as welcomed into mainstream thinking, then these two fellows can round up and lasso a full posse of convinced and convicted voters. </p>
<p>I am being exceptionally facetious out of frustration and anger after watching, only in part, WJ&#8217;s show on Eye to Eye from Front of the Box on Saturday morning. Heather Henare and a fellow from a national body challenging domestic violence were interviewed on one side of the debate with the Deputy Police Commissioner and a Family Court lawyer the other. They were all concentrating on the recent report from Hamilton and the occurance of domestic violence with women&#8217;s general inaccess to aquire protection orders. </p>
<p>I found the first part of the debate primarily offensive where the only challenging comment WJ made to step up against an oppressive society that conditions domestic violecne into its various departments and societies of collective well being was WJ attempting to pick up on the Family Court lawyers (if) inconsistency for something she wrote previously against her in interview statement that &#8220;DPO&#8217;s were not that hard to get&#8221;. The most frustrating limitation WJ presented was the leading statement to the male from the national body of &#8220;so men have no rights in this&#8221;. He was satisfied as non controversial the answer of &#8220;No, it is all about security&#8221;.</p>
<p>This kind of game play is tiring when individually I have spent so many hours separated from my son and daughter proving irrefutably that women&#8217;s violence is an unlimited condition of exploitation as lasso&#8217;ed by those in the media industry tanning the citizen&#8217;s backsides like its the COC Bill in leather.</p>
<p>It would have been too gruelling to watch another segment of this exploitation rewarding, (by regarding) itself as profound for its ability to construct the truth. There are no effective measures to isolate manipulating social circumstances as a form of domestic violence.</p>
<p>This manipulation which the media demand they must ignore is an exploitable commodity for which the public pay handsomly cooing on cue going &#8220;oooh&#8221; and &#8220;aaah&#8221; as horrific anecdotes (few in number of the model taken) of men&#8217;s violence outweigh every other connection with what is &#8220;really&#8221; happening.</p>
<p>WJ and JT, who are used now to the limelight and can capitalise upon that limelight in confidence will establish these political strengths into harvestable votes.</p>
<p>However, I do not believe that they should be so confident either for the credentials of calling a few MP&#8217;s &#8220;front bums&#8221;, maybe even, fashioning an illusion through coloured eye or eye, to what &#8220;front of the box&#8221; could possibly mean, being promoted by Willie Jack son protecting women from men, or any assumption under indigenous politics. </p>
<p>At some stage these people who run the media are going to have to take a better stock of and thereby be accountable to truth. That would be refreshing.</p>
<p>Sorry, that was a long answer to a simple question, yet its construction was to establish a reasonable ground to answer davel, who is in the same realm as most other NZ&#8217;s who simply reject the demand to observe the truth.</p>
<p>There is only one version to the Treaty of Waitangi. That is the Maori version. Until this is consolidated from history and constituted into a collective future, the adversity of complications, as naturally by corruption factored into any national condition or realm of reason (if it is not too late) will never be resolved. This means that the subjective view (ie republicanism) has no grounds of authority until the principality of objectivity (once defined) has been established as a base.</p>
<p>&#8220;Until we observe being truthful the climate can never change&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: davel</title>
		<link>http://menz.org.nz/2007/1704/#comment-124438</link>
		<dc:creator>davel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Sep 2007 01:16:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi to you all It is time us kiwis got out of this procrastinating mode we and our forefathers have got into and realize it is time to make NZ a Republic. By saying we should vote for some other is putting our head in the sand and hope we find things come right when we pull it out.We don't need to be jumping from to Labour's fat to the Nat's fire each election.You can make a difference on election day try for your offspring's sake if not for your own.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi to you all It is time us kiwis got out of this procrastinating mode we and our forefathers have got into and realize it is time to make NZ a Republic. By saying we should vote for some other is putting our head in the sand and hope we find things come right when we pull it out.We don&#8217;t need to be jumping from to Labour&#8217;s fat to the Nat&#8217;s fire each election.You can make a difference on election day try for your offspring&#8217;s sake if not for your own.</p>
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		<title>By: dad4justice</title>
		<link>http://menz.org.nz/2007/1704/#comment-124321</link>
		<dc:creator>dad4justice</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Aug 2007 21:57:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I like Jim as I meet with while he was dressed as judge dread on the steps of parliament . I was batman and Kerry was father christmas . We had a good day protesting in beehive grounds . I think you will all like this that I just posted on Ian Wisharts site ; 


This makes my blood boil that police think that a 4-hour session on morals is sufficient to satisfy an increasingly number of concerned citizens. With police integrity at an all time low with a corrupt government and politicised senior management within the police force the word moral and police should never be in the same sentence. I hope the police investigation, which I have brought about concerning widespread underage sex and paedophilia is not tainted by Helen Clark’s radical feminist ideology and lack of accountability from people in positions of authority? The police , judges and MP’s didn’t believe so I proved it my way .  It only took police over six years to listen to my genuine concerns about my daughters’ safety, however my belief in a moralistic society will see many in the dock, including senior Labour politicians and justice officials.  The Families Commissioner has said to me that he is putting money to the full exposure of my tragic case of the blind leading the blind. As a soldier of truth I will destroy many careers, that you can be certain about. How do you feel today Helen Clark and Steve Maharey and do ring the Christchurch Police sex offenders unit and have a wee chat if you don’t believe me. Got you maggot Clark!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I like Jim as I meet with while he was dressed as judge dread on the steps of parliament . I was batman and Kerry was father christmas . We had a good day protesting in beehive grounds . I think you will all like this that I just posted on Ian Wisharts site ; </p>
<p>This makes my blood boil that police think that a 4-hour session on morals is sufficient to satisfy an increasingly number of concerned citizens. With police integrity at an all time low with a corrupt government and politicised senior management within the police force the word moral and police should never be in the same sentence. I hope the police investigation, which I have brought about concerning widespread underage sex and paedophilia is not tainted by Helen Clark’s radical feminist ideology and lack of accountability from people in positions of authority? The police , judges and MP’s didn’t believe so I proved it my way .  It only took police over six years to listen to my genuine concerns about my daughters’ safety, however my belief in a moralistic society will see many in the dock, including senior Labour politicians and justice officials.  The Families Commissioner has said to me that he is putting money to the full exposure of my tragic case of the blind leading the blind. As a soldier of truth I will destroy many careers, that you can be certain about. How do you feel today Helen Clark and Steve Maharey and do ring the Christchurch Police sex offenders unit and have a wee chat if you don’t believe me. Got you maggot Clark!!</p>
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		<title>By: julie</title>
		<link>http://menz.org.nz/2007/1704/#comment-124320</link>
		<dc:creator>julie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Aug 2007 21:48:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Benjamin, #3

&lt;blockquote&gt;Have you talked to Maori to subscribe a view on JT’s popularity or for that matter how he and WJ can tag team their way into a new face of politics? At some stage in these kinds of proceedings the jewels will always drop.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I don't understand. Who is WJ?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Benjamin, #3</p>
<blockquote><p>Have you talked to Maori to subscribe a view on JT’s popularity or for that matter how he and WJ can tag team their way into a new face of politics? At some stage in these kinds of proceedings the jewels will always drop.</p></blockquote>
<p>I don&#8217;t understand. Who is WJ?</p>
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		<title>By: Bevan Berg</title>
		<link>http://menz.org.nz/2007/1704/#comment-124318</link>
		<dc:creator>Bevan Berg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Aug 2007 21:31:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That’s so undarryl to ward off criticism with restraint and composure.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That’s so undarryl to ward off criticism with restraint and composure.</p>
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		<title>By: Darryl Ward</title>
		<link>http://menz.org.nz/2007/1704/#comment-124304</link>
		<dc:creator>Darryl Ward</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Aug 2007 09:19:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If two typos are the only faults you can find with my post, then I am very pleased.

Kind regards

Darryl</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If two typos are the only faults you can find with my post, then I am very pleased.</p>
<p>Kind regards</p>
<p>Darryl</p>
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		<title>By: Bevan Berg</title>
		<link>http://menz.org.nz/2007/1704/#comment-124291</link>
		<dc:creator>Bevan Berg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Aug 2007 23:54:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Jim would do far better to ensores somebone who has a hope.&lt;/blockquote&gt;


There is always the morning after Darryl.  You should at least be able to focus on the keyboard by 9 am.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Jim would do far better to ensores somebone who has a hope.</p></blockquote>
<p>There is always the morning after Darryl.  You should at least be able to focus on the keyboard by 9 am.</p>
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		<title>By: Benjamin Easton</title>
		<link>http://menz.org.nz/2007/1704/#comment-124282</link>
		<dc:creator>Benjamin Easton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Aug 2007 12:34:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hope you've won. You well and truly deserve it. No better time now then than to stay cool and calm - eh.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hope you&#8217;ve won. You well and truly deserve it. No better time now then than to stay cool and calm - eh.</p>
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		<title>By: dad4justice</title>
		<link>http://menz.org.nz/2007/1704/#comment-124274</link>
		<dc:creator>dad4justice</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Aug 2007 10:44:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>dear ben and all others , after what happened today both Peter Boshier and Helen Clark are in very serious trouble . This is very bad = this is the end of the New Zealand Family Court as we know it . Police know all the sordid details of my case = FINALLY .
Make God show his justice , love and grace .</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>dear ben and all others , after what happened today both Peter Boshier and Helen Clark are in very serious trouble . This is very bad = this is the end of the New Zealand Family Court as we know it . Police know all the sordid details of my case = FINALLY .<br />
Make God show his justice , love and grace .</p>
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