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	<title>Comments on: Child Support Collection Across The Ditch</title>
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		<title>By: Daniel</title>
		<link>http://menz.org.nz/2007/child-support-clollection-across-the-dithc/#comment-125149</link>
		<dc:creator>Daniel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Sep 2007 03:47:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am a victim of bureaucratic blunders and anti male assumptions.  My child support arrears are a comedy of errors and I am inundated with computor generated demands monthly even though I have been trying to contest it for over 3 years.  I seems for some reason IRD NZ was able to take money automatically from me twice for the same children in NZ and Australia at the same time but neither agency wants to give that money back to me. 
Does anyone know who can I ask for help - they call it Dual Liability and I think lots of men must be in the same boat as they had to have special policy discussions to work out what to do - but they say they don't have the right legislation to either investigate the validity of the debt attributed to me Only the ability to deduct it automatically. (all the so called debts date back to 1994-1998 before there was even a agreement between the countries it doesn't seem just.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am a victim of bureaucratic blunders and anti male assumptions.  My child support arrears are a comedy of errors and I am inundated with computor generated demands monthly even though I have been trying to contest it for over 3 years.  I seems for some reason IRD NZ was able to take money automatically from me twice for the same children in NZ and Australia at the same time but neither agency wants to give that money back to me.<br />
Does anyone know who can I ask for help - they call it Dual Liability and I think lots of men must be in the same boat as they had to have special policy discussions to work out what to do - but they say they don&#8217;t have the right legislation to either investigate the validity of the debt attributed to me Only the ability to deduct it automatically. (all the so called debts date back to 1994-1998 before there was even a agreement between the countries it doesn&#8217;t seem just.)</p>
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		<title>By: Sparx</title>
		<link>http://menz.org.nz/2007/child-support-clollection-across-the-dithc/#comment-120325</link>
		<dc:creator>Sparx</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Apr 2007 06:44:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hahahahahahahahahahaha!

Not satisfied with remaking NZ in her own [u**y] visage, the Anti-Clark was on telly tonight stating they have given us [through an extension of daylight saving] "more sunlight hours".

WooHoo! as the fat yellow dude would say!

I'd chance a small wager that &lt;b&gt;Johannes Keppler&lt;/b&gt; thinks differently to the &lt;b&gt;&lt;i&gt;fascist twit&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/b&gt; that heads the FemiNAZI Labour Party...

...surely this must mean the Anti-Clark is &lt;b&gt;sooooooooo&lt;/b&gt; POWERFUL that she can &lt;b&gt;&lt;i&gt;actually SLOW DOWN&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/b&gt; the passage of the Earth around the Sun between September and April...

...boy-oh-boy do I want to see that with my own eyes!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hahahahahahahahahahaha!</p>
<p>Not satisfied with remaking NZ in her own [u**y] visage, the Anti-Clark was on telly tonight stating they have given us [through an extension of daylight saving] &#8220;more sunlight hours&#8221;.</p>
<p>WooHoo! as the fat yellow dude would say!</p>
<p>I&#8217;d chance a small wager that <b>Johannes Keppler</b> thinks differently to the <b><i>fascist twit</i></b> that heads the FemiNAZI Labour Party&#8230;</p>
<p>&#8230;surely this must mean the Anti-Clark is <b>sooooooooo</b> POWERFUL that she can <b><i>actually SLOW DOWN</i></b> the passage of the Earth around the Sun between September and April&#8230;</p>
<p>&#8230;boy-oh-boy do I want to see that with my own eyes!</p>
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		<title>By: Ethos</title>
		<link>http://menz.org.nz/2007/child-support-clollection-across-the-dithc/#comment-120323</link>
		<dc:creator>Ethos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Apr 2007 02:33:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Xsryder,

&lt;b&gt;Surely&lt;/b&gt; you jest?

Are you suggesting that paying a parent a &lt;b&gt;FULL-TIME&lt;/b&gt; salary for doing &lt;b&gt;PART-TIME&lt;/b&gt; work is not the right thing to do?

&lt;b&gt;&lt;i&gt;Shame&lt;/i&gt; on you!&lt;/b&gt;

It recently came to light that when parents who have been on the DPB for a significant period of time no longer qualify for the benefit, they find themselves in financial poverty.

Wimminz refuge and Bradford looked into this "sad" state of affairs and established that the poverty arises from the parents having "no significant assets" (ie no savings, no house etc) when the benefit ceases.

They then went on to make the deductive leap that this means the DPB is not paying enough or parents would be able to SAVE for their retirement.

&lt;b&gt;Silly me!&lt;/b&gt; I hear you say, &lt;b&gt;Now why didn't we think of that reason?&lt;/b&gt;

&lt;i&gt;&lt;b&gt;Of course they give no consideration to the FACT&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/i&gt; that, when a DPB parent saves money, their benefit is quickly "abated". For us simpler types this means the DPB payment gets smaller the more they save.

&lt;i&gt;&lt;b&gt;Of course they give no consideration to the FACT&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/i&gt; that, in almost every case, the DPB receiver cannot enter the work-force and earn anywhere near the salary that the DPB provides.

Elsewhere on MENZ I recall seeing a DPB receiver with 2 children receiving in excess of $35,000 per annum [after tax]. For a worker such as you and I, this is a salary in excess of $55,000 per annum [before tax].

In my experience, the people who get salaries like that do a lot of &lt;b&gt;FULL-TIME&lt;/b&gt;, very hard work in return for their salary.

&lt;b&gt;&lt;i&gt;Something rotten in the FemiNAZI state of New Zealand?&lt;/i&gt; HELL YES!&lt;/b&gt;

I found a link to a site http://www.sharedparenting.co.nz where they talk about support for children being based on "essential needs". I'm not sure from the blurb exactly what this means, but the examples they give seem to be much fairer on everyone than what we have now.

Not sure if they have the answer, but the status quo certainly is not working so we definitely need to look at other options.

My apologies if the parody was too much, but the opportunity was just too good....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Xsryder,</p>
<p><b>Surely</b> you jest?</p>
<p>Are you suggesting that paying a parent a <b>FULL-TIME</b> salary for doing <b>PART-TIME</b> work is not the right thing to do?</p>
<p><b><i>Shame</i> on you!</b></p>
<p>It recently came to light that when parents who have been on the DPB for a significant period of time no longer qualify for the benefit, they find themselves in financial poverty.</p>
<p>Wimminz refuge and Bradford looked into this &#8220;sad&#8221; state of affairs and established that the poverty arises from the parents having &#8220;no significant assets&#8221; (ie no savings, no house etc) when the benefit ceases.</p>
<p>They then went on to make the deductive leap that this means the DPB is not paying enough or parents would be able to SAVE for their retirement.</p>
<p><b>Silly me!</b> I hear you say, <b>Now why didn&#8217;t we think of that reason?</b></p>
<p><i><b>Of course they give no consideration to the FACT</b></i> that, when a DPB parent saves money, their benefit is quickly &#8220;abated&#8221;. For us simpler types this means the DPB payment gets smaller the more they save.</p>
<p><i><b>Of course they give no consideration to the FACT</b></i> that, in almost every case, the DPB receiver cannot enter the work-force and earn anywhere near the salary that the DPB provides.</p>
<p>Elsewhere on MENZ I recall seeing a DPB receiver with 2 children receiving in excess of $35,000 per annum [after tax]. For a worker such as you and I, this is a salary in excess of $55,000 per annum [before tax].</p>
<p>In my experience, the people who get salaries like that do a lot of <b>FULL-TIME</b>, very hard work in return for their salary.</p>
<p><b><i>Something rotten in the FemiNAZI state of New Zealand?</i> HELL YES!</b></p>
<p>I found a link to a site <a href="http://www.sharedparenting.co.nz" rel="nofollow">http://www.sharedparenting.co.nz</a> where they talk about support for children being based on &#8220;essential needs&#8221;. I&#8217;m not sure from the blurb exactly what this means, but the examples they give seem to be much fairer on everyone than what we have now.</p>
<p>Not sure if they have the answer, but the status quo certainly is not working so we definitely need to look at other options.</p>
<p>My apologies if the parody was too much, but the opportunity was just too good&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Scrap_The_CSA</title>
		<link>http://menz.org.nz/2007/child-support-clollection-across-the-dithc/#comment-120296</link>
		<dc:creator>Scrap_The_CSA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Apr 2007 01:04:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>All please note that Officals and Breaucrats are the originators of these untested changes and Australian Child Support reformers believe that long term the situation will get worse under the amended formula,not better!

Regards

Scrap</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All please note that Officals and Breaucrats are the originators of these untested changes and Australian Child Support reformers believe that long term the situation will get worse under the amended formula,not better!</p>
<p>Regards</p>
<p>Scrap</p>
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		<title>By: JimBWarrior - HandsOnEqualParent</title>
		<link>http://menz.org.nz/2007/child-support-clollection-across-the-dithc/#comment-120288</link>
		<dc:creator>JimBWarrior - HandsOnEqualParent</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Apr 2007 18:47:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Subject: News-n-Debate &#62; Australia - Changes To The Child Support Scheme


http://www.mondaq.com/article.asp?articleid=47616&#38;searchresults=1

Australia: Changes To The Child Support Scheme

16 April 2007
Article by Andrew McCormack

Originally Published December 2006

Introduction

The original Child Support Scheme established under the Child Support
Act 1988 has recently been subjected to review and criticism from
several areas. A number of parliamentary committees and at least one
taskforce have examined the Child Support Scheme in depth and have
made recommendations in respect of shared parenting.

These recommendations included a change to the child support formula
and cultural changes within the Child Support Agency ("CSA"). As the
Family Law Amendment (Shared Parental Responsibility) Act 2006 has
now been implemented, the changes to the Child Support Scheme are
designed to foster shared parenting and to ensure that parents share
equally the cost of bringing up children.

To read this article in full please click here

Summary

The changes to the child support system, in particular changes to the
formulae, are very complex. The CSA has advised that it is presently
writing new versions of the online calculators to take into account
the changes in the formulae. It envisages that these calculators will
be operational by 2008, to ensure that sufficient time is available
for them to be tested.

It would appear from the reading of the legislation that it will be
imperative to take into account the time a client will spend with
their children when calculating what child support liability they
will face.

It would appear from rough calculations that child support assessment
may be reduced and parents may share such things as the family tax
benefit where the level of contact of a non-parent equates to 5
nights out of 14 nights.

Hopefully, the changes to how child support assessments are
calculated will bring about some equality in respect of assessments
and there will be some incentives for parents to enter into and
remain in shared parenting arrangements in order to minimise child
support liability.

When advising clients, all practitioners should be mindful of the
amount of time that children will spend with each parent, and should
suggest that the client at least consider a shared parenting option.
It will also be necessary to provide clients with advice as to how
their child support liability will be affected if they wish to
partake in regular care of their children.

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Onward - Jim
www.HandsOnEqualParent.org.nz</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Subject: News-n-Debate &gt; Australia - Changes To The Child Support Scheme</p>
<p><a href="http://www.mondaq.com/article.asp?articleid=47616&amp;searchresults=1" rel="nofollow">http://www.mondaq.com/article.asp?articleid=47616&amp;searchresults=1</a></p>
<p>Australia: Changes To The Child Support Scheme</p>
<p>16 April 2007<br />
Article by Andrew McCormack</p>
<p>Originally Published December 2006</p>
<p>Introduction</p>
<p>The original Child Support Scheme established under the Child Support<br />
Act 1988 has recently been subjected to review and criticism from<br />
several areas. A number of parliamentary committees and at least one<br />
taskforce have examined the Child Support Scheme in depth and have<br />
made recommendations in respect of shared parenting.</p>
<p>These recommendations included a change to the child support formula<br />
and cultural changes within the Child Support Agency (&#8221;CSA&#8221;). As the<br />
Family Law Amendment (Shared Parental Responsibility) Act 2006 has<br />
now been implemented, the changes to the Child Support Scheme are<br />
designed to foster shared parenting and to ensure that parents share<br />
equally the cost of bringing up children.</p>
<p>To read this article in full please click here</p>
<p>Summary</p>
<p>The changes to the child support system, in particular changes to the<br />
formulae, are very complex. The CSA has advised that it is presently<br />
writing new versions of the online calculators to take into account<br />
the changes in the formulae. It envisages that these calculators will<br />
be operational by 2008, to ensure that sufficient time is available<br />
for them to be tested.</p>
<p>It would appear from the reading of the legislation that it will be<br />
imperative to take into account the time a client will spend with<br />
their children when calculating what child support liability they<br />
will face.</p>
<p>It would appear from rough calculations that child support assessment<br />
may be reduced and parents may share such things as the family tax<br />
benefit where the level of contact of a non-parent equates to 5<br />
nights out of 14 nights.</p>
<p>Hopefully, the changes to how child support assessments are<br />
calculated will bring about some equality in respect of assessments<br />
and there will be some incentives for parents to enter into and<br />
remain in shared parenting arrangements in order to minimise child<br />
support liability.</p>
<p>When advising clients, all practitioners should be mindful of the<br />
amount of time that children will spend with each parent, and should<br />
suggest that the client at least consider a shared parenting option.<br />
It will also be necessary to provide clients with advice as to how<br />
their child support liability will be affected if they wish to<br />
partake in regular care of their children.</p>
<p>&#8220;&#8220;&#8220;&#8220;&#8220;&#8220;&#8220;<br />
Onward - Jim<br />
<a href="http://www.HandsOnEqualParent.org.nz" rel="nofollow">http://www.HandsOnEqualParent.org.nz</a></p>
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		<title>By: xsryder</title>
		<link>http://menz.org.nz/2007/child-support-clollection-across-the-dithc/#comment-120273</link>
		<dc:creator>xsryder</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Apr 2007 08:59:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think what infuriates me the most about this whole Child Support, WINZ, IRD thing is that the DPB is set at an amount that affords a primary caregiver to provide a child with a "prescribed" bottom-line standard of living. This allows the Domestic Purposes Benificiary, unlike any other benifit, to have a good standard of living, in fact so good that they often CHOOSE to remain a benificiary.
In contrast, due to child support payments, legal costs, separation "recovery" costs and MOST of the same costs that the primary caregiver will pay towards the child's care (rent, clothing, food, toys, education resources, entertainment, transport), the child may be living below the "prescribed" bottom-line standard of living while in the care of the non-custodial parent....and IRD, WINZ and the government simply look the other way.
Shouldn't a child's "prescribed" bottom-line standard of living be guarenteed at both homes he/she will be living and growing up in?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think what infuriates me the most about this whole Child Support, WINZ, IRD thing is that the DPB is set at an amount that affords a primary caregiver to provide a child with a &#8220;prescribed&#8221; bottom-line standard of living. This allows the Domestic Purposes Benificiary, unlike any other benifit, to have a good standard of living, in fact so good that they often CHOOSE to remain a benificiary.<br />
In contrast, due to child support payments, legal costs, separation &#8220;recovery&#8221; costs and MOST of the same costs that the primary caregiver will pay towards the child&#8217;s care (rent, clothing, food, toys, education resources, entertainment, transport), the child may be living below the &#8220;prescribed&#8221; bottom-line standard of living while in the care of the non-custodial parent&#8230;.and IRD, WINZ and the government simply look the other way.<br />
Shouldn&#8217;t a child&#8217;s &#8220;prescribed&#8221; bottom-line standard of living be guarenteed at both homes he/she will be living and growing up in?</p>
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		<title>By: starr</title>
		<link>http://menz.org.nz/2007/child-support-clollection-across-the-dithc/#comment-120270</link>
		<dc:creator>starr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Apr 2007 06:50:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>with the 24% cut in place fathers will now have to fight harder to gain access even one day a week as guess what the next action of sym-pathetic femine caughts would be?? yes dats right ensure that even one day a week with the father does not happen or become highly impossible to obtain/grant.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>with the 24% cut in place fathers will now have to fight harder to gain access even one day a week as guess what the next action of sym-pathetic femine caughts would be?? yes dats right ensure that even one day a week with the father does not happen or become highly impossible to obtain/grant.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark Shipman</title>
		<link>http://menz.org.nz/2007/child-support-clollection-across-the-dithc/#comment-120264</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark Shipman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Apr 2007 06:02:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Murray,

It would be nice to think they would apply the same level of effort to stopping benefit fraud.

Perhaps they should also look at our esteemed members of parliament and the gratuitous salaries and perks these people receive at the expense of the hard-working tax-payer?

Some of us would really like to see what benefit we receive for the excessive money we expend.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Murray,</p>
<p>It would be nice to think they would apply the same level of effort to stopping benefit fraud.</p>
<p>Perhaps they should also look at our esteemed members of parliament and the gratuitous salaries and perks these people receive at the expense of the hard-working tax-payer?</p>
<p>Some of us would really like to see what benefit we receive for the excessive money we expend.</p>
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		<title>By: keith</title>
		<link>http://menz.org.nz/2007/child-support-clollection-across-the-dithc/#comment-120262</link>
		<dc:creator>keith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Apr 2007 04:41:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My x asked me to foot the cost of braces for my girl.I told her to use some of the $10,000 net she gets off me each year.The only good part of the great aussie experience is a 24% CS rebate if you have your offspring 1 day a week; I would even have her 2 days a week at 48%;crikey.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My x asked me to foot the cost of braces for my girl.I told her to use some of the $10,000 net she gets off me each year.The only good part of the great aussie experience is a 24% CS rebate if you have your offspring 1 day a week; I would even have her 2 days a week at 48%;crikey.</p>
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		<title>By: Ethos</title>
		<link>http://menz.org.nz/2007/child-support-clollection-across-the-dithc/#comment-120258</link>
		<dc:creator>Ethos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Apr 2007 03:37:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Really chaps! We in NZ have no need of such subterfuge...

...instead we simply pass an amendment to the law that makes the commissioner of IR the police, the prosecutor, the judge, the jury and the executioner.

Really makes Hitler look a lot like a Kindergarten Teacher in comparison and Mrs Clark look like Mother Theresa.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Really chaps! We in NZ have no need of such subterfuge&#8230;</p>
<p>&#8230;instead we simply pass an amendment to the law that makes the commissioner of IR the police, the prosecutor, the judge, the jury and the executioner.</p>
<p>Really makes Hitler look a lot like a Kindergarten Teacher in comparison and Mrs Clark look like Mother Theresa.</p>
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