Comments on: Vote of No Confidence http://menz.org.nz/2007/vote-of-no-confidence/ - promoting a clearer understanding of men's experience - Thu, 8 Jan 2009 00:58:13 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6.5 By: xsryder http://menz.org.nz/2007/vote-of-no-confidence/#comment-113073 xsryder Sat, 24 Feb 2007 04:05:26 +0000 http://menz.org.nz/2007/vote-of-no-confidence/#comment-113073 Fred Smith, Changing laws against the wishes of the vast majority of voters is not a democracy. Further, research shows that children whose upbringing included smacking achieved better than those who didn't. Do you agree with criminalizing the majority of parents while denying children the chance to grow up respectful, educated, happy and free? PS...I have never hit my son (nor any one else for that matter) and the way my son is developing there is good chance I will never have to hit (smack) him. As a child I was smacked, and as a result I don't lie, don't steal, work hard, respect elders, never been to prison, did well at school etc. I thank my parents for that, smacks and all. Bradford's Bill will change nothing for abused children, just ,make WAY more work for police and CYFS. Fred Smith,
Changing laws against the wishes of the vast majority of voters is not a democracy.
Further, research shows that children whose upbringing included smacking achieved better than those who didn’t. Do you agree with criminalizing the majority of parents while denying children the chance to grow up respectful, educated, happy and free?
PS…I have never hit my son (nor any one else for that matter) and the way my son is developing there is good chance I will never have to hit (smack) him. As a child I was smacked, and as a result I don’t lie, don’t steal, work hard, respect elders, never been to prison, did well at school etc. I thank my parents for that, smacks and all. Bradford’s Bill will change nothing for abused children, just ,make WAY more work for police and CYFS.

]]> By: Fred Smith http://menz.org.nz/2007/vote-of-no-confidence/#comment-113066 Fred Smith Fri, 23 Feb 2007 21:03:40 +0000 http://menz.org.nz/2007/vote-of-no-confidence/#comment-113066 Hitting children is not parenting Hitting children is not parenting

]]> By: Paul Catton http://menz.org.nz/2007/vote-of-no-confidence/#comment-113061 Paul Catton Fri, 23 Feb 2007 10:13:10 +0000 http://menz.org.nz/2007/vote-of-no-confidence/#comment-113061 Dear Sue, You hate violence, what about violence against men, Please assist in following up my E-mail to the Minister of Police (copy attached) Dear Minister, I have had response from Alistair Murray, Senior Legal Counsel, New Zealand Police indicating that he found nothing untoward in the Police procedure, process and policy in respect of their prosecution against me. Neither is he concerned about the threat of arrest made toward Jim Bagnall and myself for wanting to establish a Refuge for Men similar to State funded Women's Refuges. Therefore if the Police wish to remain in a blinkered state and ignore this travesty that is their choice, and as previously advised I will be putting all the material into the Public Domain. <a href="http://policewatchnz.blogspot.com/" rel="nofollow"> PolicewatchNZ</a> Further there has been consideration of proceedings for punitive damages issued against the New Zealand Police for malicious prosecution and wrongful arrest. Please indicate on whom you wish to have the writ served. Regretfully Yours Paul Catton Sue, I would expect you to be talking with Ben rather than ignoring him on the steps of the Ivory Tower and accepting this prompt to redeem yourself towards the great unwashed you have abandoned. I actually have no problem with megaphoning publicly outside your known private residence as was conducted towards your political mistress Helen. Kindest Regards Paul Catton East Auckland Refuge for Men and Families Dear Sue,

You hate violence, what about violence against men,
Please assist in following up my E-mail to the Minister of Police (copy attached)

Dear Minister,

I have had response from Alistair Murray, Senior Legal Counsel, New Zealand Police indicating that he found nothing untoward in the Police procedure, process and policy in respect of their prosecution against me.
Neither is he concerned about the threat of arrest made toward Jim Bagnall and myself for wanting to establish a Refuge for Men similar to State funded Women’s Refuges.
Therefore if the Police wish to remain in a blinkered state and ignore this travesty that is their choice, and as previously advised I will be putting all the material into the Public Domain.
PolicewatchNZ
Further there has been consideration of proceedings for punitive damages issued against the New Zealand Police for malicious prosecution and wrongful arrest.
Please indicate on whom you wish to have the writ served.

Regretfully Yours
Paul Catton

Sue, I would expect you to be talking with Ben rather than ignoring him on the steps of the Ivory Tower and accepting this prompt to redeem yourself towards the great unwashed you have abandoned.
I actually have no problem with megaphoning publicly outside your known private residence as was conducted towards your political mistress Helen.

Kindest Regards

Paul Catton
East Auckland Refuge for Men and Families

]]> By: Bevan Berg http://menz.org.nz/2007/vote-of-no-confidence/#comment-113060 Bevan Berg Fri, 23 Feb 2007 09:03:36 +0000 http://menz.org.nz/2007/vote-of-no-confidence/#comment-113060 Amazing what the little ole country girl pops up with from time to time Amazing what the little ole country girl pops up with from time to time

]]> By: julie http://menz.org.nz/2007/vote-of-no-confidence/#comment-113059 julie Fri, 23 Feb 2007 08:26:21 +0000 http://menz.org.nz/2007/vote-of-no-confidence/#comment-113059 Bevan, <blockquote>If this is a vote of no confidence in our current parliament then there are at least two sensible people left in New Zealand. I’ll support that.</blockquote> How will you support that. I am not saying you wouldn't but just asking how any of you intend to do it. It is another attempt against fathers. From Sue Bradfords speech to the house. <blockquote>Our country has made some progress in ensuring domestic violence against adults is unacceptable and illegal even inside the privacy of the home. It is high time we gave children the same protection as we give adults, and bring an end to the situation in which police are able to prosecute a husband for assaulting his wife but do not prosecute him for assaulting his child because he has a defence under section 59.</blockquote> Once again no metion of mothers. You guys need to be hitting the media on this big time. IMO Bevan,

If this is a vote of no confidence in our current parliament then there are at least two sensible people left in New Zealand. I’ll support that.

How will you support that. I am not saying you wouldn’t but just asking how any of you intend to do it. It is another attempt against fathers.

From Sue Bradfords speech to the house.

Our country has made some progress in ensuring domestic violence against adults is unacceptable and illegal even inside the privacy of the home. It is high time we gave children the same protection as we give adults, and bring an end to the situation in which police are able to prosecute a husband for assaulting his wife but do not prosecute him for assaulting his child because he has a defence under section 59.

Once again no metion of mothers. You guys need to be hitting the media on this big time. IMO

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