Comments on: We’re Here To Help

By: rosie

rosie — Tue, 04 Dec 2007 04:54:16 +0000

They’re certainly not under his shirt Bert.The IRD have stolen every single one of them.

By: bert

bert — Mon, 03 Dec 2007 07:28:04 +0000

Rosie, surely there are some old copies of Womans Day laying around that you could read. If you cannot find them then maybe ask your husband, he may have them tucke away with his petty-coats.

By: Hans Laven

Hans Laven — Mon, 03 Dec 2007 07:10:00 +0000

Oh, there we go, someone agrees with you. That obviously wins the debate then. But hang on, I haven’t heard any arguments, just insults. And I haven’t seen any evidence for the horrible allegations you have made about me. Never mind, such irritating details as rational argument and evidence are just patriarchal repression after all. Keep up the derogatory attacks instead. Whatever gets you off.

By: rosie

rosie — Mon, 03 Dec 2007 06:57:27 +0000

My husband agreed with me alright.To be precise I agreed with him.
You may have not liked his choice of words so I spared you that

By: Hans Laven

Hans Laven — Mon, 03 Dec 2007 06:11:25 +0000

I appreciate it when people speak out against what I say. Debate progresses understanding. But that debate needs to be honest, not manipulative and misrepresenting. And debate needs to be about the topic, not attacking the individual. At least, that’s how I prefer to debate.

I note you still haven’t come up with any evidence to support your nasty allegations. Referring to someone else who was left wondering whether to agree with you or not hardly amounts to rational argument.

By: rosie

rosie — Mon, 03 Dec 2007 05:50:03 +0000

Every woman who speaks out against what you say will be accused of being part of the feminazi.Does that make my husband a part of it too because after reading what you said,he was also left wondering?
I wonder also what Dave Henderson would have thought if he read what you took out of that movie.
No doubt he would have thought that you wern’t worth bothering about.

By: Hans Laven

Hans Laven — Mon, 03 Dec 2007 03:00:55 +0000

Rosie,

There you go being disturbed again. You really should take something for that.

Your allegation is nonsense and is no more than manipulative rumour-mongering. Show me one example of me “putting women down”. Rather than coming up with any evidence of your allegation, you simply tell me to look back through my posts, thereby begging the question and attacking through insinuation. I am critical of some of the basis and some of the excesses of feminism. You are simply trying to label me unfairly, as you did when you suggested that I would blame a woman’s appearance for a male’s inappropriate behaviour. That offensive allegation was also based on absolutely nothing I said nor on any other evidence.

Look back through this thread. You criticized my post, I replied respectfully, you then attacked me rudely and cruelly. Talk about a cruel side! However, it bothers me little and I can give as good as I get.

Your vendetta against me seems to have started when I made a post highlighting the rape laws that had been changed in the 1980’s to meet feminist preferences. Unfortunately, the laws as they stand will allow convictions for rape even when a man’s behaviour is entirely benign and he acts in good faith. Men need to know this. For your own reasons, you didn’t like me pointing this out. Next, you went against me rather stupidly when I dissociated myself from a comment posted by dad4justice and pointed out that the anti-terror raids on Tuhoi were based on little more than comments like those he was prone to make. You came to his rescue and claimed he had never said anything threatening. I then went through some of his posts and highlighted numerous statements he had posted that made threats, advocated violence and were in their language quite violent. You then criticized me for effectively backing up what I had said and what you had challenged. Quite unreasonable and dishonourable of you.

As I previously wrote, this site is called MENZ. It’s to discuss the perspectives and experiences of men in the feminist era. It’s needed to help men recognise and to challenge exactly the kind of feminazi behaviour you are directing at me. Thanks for providing a real-life example, but what exactly is your agenda by coming here and attacking men for discussing their issues?

Sadly, I anticipate that all the reasonable debate in the world will count for nothing and you will simply continue to oppose and insult me for the sake of it. I only hope you will get some kicks from doing so.

By: rosie

rosie — Mon, 03 Dec 2007 00:44:58 +0000

There is something that disturbs me Hans and that is the way that you continuously put women down.Look back over the articles that you have posted.
They all have a touch of an anti- women pen.
You have a side to you that is not very nice.I could even go as far as saying that you have a cruel side to you.Which is quite scarey considering the profession you are in.
Like Benjamin said “stay right where you are dad4justice”

By: Benjamin Easton

Benjamin Easton — Sun, 02 Dec 2007 07:58:13 +0000

You just stay where you are Pete, Hanz is just having a dig. When the words turn into meetings and constructive dialogue you are as good as any I have met at keeping the truth of circumstances at the forefront of the dialogue and rejecting deflective replies. You haven’t said anything aggressive that contravenes basic laws of courtesy so there is no need to react.

Hope things are going well for you.
Benjamin.

By: dad4justice

dad4justice — Sun, 02 Dec 2007 06:15:52 +0000

“Armed state agents descend upon us all” .FFS - I guess I shall stay away from here .