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	<title>Comments on: Auckland Woman tourtured and murdered baby</title>
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		<title>By: Dave</title>
		<link>http://menz.org.nz/2008/auckland-woman-tourtured-and-murdered-baby/comment-page-1/#comment-187109</link>
		<dc:creator>Dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Dec 2008 03:50:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A German mother killed two of her babies and stashed them in the family freezer for years. 
&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.news.com.au/couriermail/story/0,23739,24738207-954,00.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Full story here.&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A German mother killed two of her babies and stashed them in the family freezer for years.<br />
<a href="http://www.news.com.au/couriermail/story/0,23739,24738207-954,00.html" rel="nofollow">Full story here.</a></p>
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		<title>By: Dave</title>
		<link>http://menz.org.nz/2008/auckland-woman-tourtured-and-murdered-baby/comment-page-1/#comment-187108</link>
		<dc:creator>Dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Dec 2008 03:48:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>An English mother tortured and killed her baby girl. The local council investigated 60 times but took no action to protect the child. Could you imagine that happening if the abuser was the father? 
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>An English mother tortured and killed her baby girl. The local council investigated 60 times but took no action to protect the child. Could you imagine that happening if the abuser was the father?<br />
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Full story:</a></p>
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		<title>By: Dave</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Dec 2008 05:58:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes Scott I was wondering if anyone would pick up on that!

Notice also how this case has been given very little media coverage. Yet it is one of the worst cases I have heard about.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes Scott I was wondering if anyone would pick up on that!</p>
<p>Notice also how this case has been given very little media coverage. Yet it is one of the worst cases I have heard about.</p>
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		<title>By: Scott</title>
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		<dc:creator>Scott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Nov 2008 04:12:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Funny how she got sentenced on white ribbon day!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Funny how she got sentenced on white ribbon day!</p>
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		<title>By: tren</title>
		<link>http://menz.org.nz/2008/auckland-woman-tourtured-and-murdered-baby/comment-page-1/#comment-187003</link>
		<dc:creator>tren</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Nov 2008 00:18:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Government agencies like family court have all their resources wasted by simple family disputes that necessitate only few hours to be solved if not none(the disputes are often referred to the court by women&#039;s refuge in order to manufacture fat violence stats to get funding from governement). Involvement of family court in these disputes results in abuse of children, mums and dads while serious abuse goes unseen and children loose thier lives.

Family court and other agencies are incapable of responding to violence. In fact they create most of it. Family court has lost basic common sense and fairness. Its armada of judges are mere legal technicians and administrators.


Women&#039;s refuge whose role is to advance womens rights and protect those in need is currently fighting a devious war against men (&#039;bastards&#039;)
Women be aware.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Government agencies like family court have all their resources wasted by simple family disputes that necessitate only few hours to be solved if not none(the disputes are often referred to the court by women&#8217;s refuge in order to manufacture fat violence stats to get funding from governement). Involvement of family court in these disputes results in abuse of children, mums and dads while serious abuse goes unseen and children loose thier lives.</p>
<p>Family court and other agencies are incapable of responding to violence. In fact they create most of it. Family court has lost basic common sense and fairness. Its armada of judges are mere legal technicians and administrators.</p>
<p>Women&#8217;s refuge whose role is to advance womens rights and protect those in need is currently fighting a devious war against men (&#8216;bastards&#8217;)<br />
Women be aware.</p>
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		<title>By: Hans Laven</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hans Laven</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Nov 2008 23:35:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes poster #2, it&#039;s hard to understand.  Many here would say that even more important than reporting child abuse is strengthening the family, increasing respect for maintaining intact biological families for children to grow up in, and ensuring full involvement of both parents in children&#039;s lives.  One could also point to the importance of increasing everyone&#039;s sense of belonging and responsibility concerning the society we live in, and that won&#039;t be done by becoming more punitive.  Further, I would argue that we need more right to manage our own streets and communities, rather than being told &quot;leave it to the police&quot; and being prosecuted as if the criminal when we intervene to stop others&#039; criminal behaviour.   

A big problem with reporting suspected child abuse is that the agencies funded to respond cannot be trusted to handle situations sensibly.  They will either show incompetence or be too quick to remove children rather than provide support to parents who are not coping.  The rescuers far too readily become the worst  abusers, mainly in an effort to protect their own backs.  From my experience one of the reasons for the poor responses is that risk assessment is not done well or based on good science.  Instead, individual social workers are given far too much licence to push their own subjective barrows.  We hear numerous complaints from parents who have had children removed mainly because those parents disrespected the social worker who then prosecuted their case in vendetta-like fashion.  We need agencies we can trust to be even-handed, sensible and to put children&#039;s interests first.  The risk and abuse in the child&#039;s family needs to be extreme before it outweighs the inherent abuse in ripping the child away from its biological parents.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes poster #2, it&#8217;s hard to understand.  Many here would say that even more important than reporting child abuse is strengthening the family, increasing respect for maintaining intact biological families for children to grow up in, and ensuring full involvement of both parents in children&#8217;s lives.  One could also point to the importance of increasing everyone&#8217;s sense of belonging and responsibility concerning the society we live in, and that won&#8217;t be done by becoming more punitive.  Further, I would argue that we need more right to manage our own streets and communities, rather than being told &#8220;leave it to the police&#8221; and being prosecuted as if the criminal when we intervene to stop others&#8217; criminal behaviour.   </p>
<p>A big problem with reporting suspected child abuse is that the agencies funded to respond cannot be trusted to handle situations sensibly.  They will either show incompetence or be too quick to remove children rather than provide support to parents who are not coping.  The rescuers far too readily become the worst  abusers, mainly in an effort to protect their own backs.  From my experience one of the reasons for the poor responses is that risk assessment is not done well or based on good science.  Instead, individual social workers are given far too much licence to push their own subjective barrows.  We hear numerous complaints from parents who have had children removed mainly because those parents disrespected the social worker who then prosecuted their case in vendetta-like fashion.  We need agencies we can trust to be even-handed, sensible and to put children&#8217;s interests first.  The risk and abuse in the child&#8217;s family needs to be extreme before it outweighs the inherent abuse in ripping the child away from its biological parents.</p>
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		<title>By: christina</title>
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		<dc:creator>christina</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Nov 2008 22:43:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i cnt believe wat is happening 2 the children of our country!it is so sad to knw there are children out there that are being abused daily and people knw about it and do nothing till it is too late!!!it totally sickens me!its high time people woke up 2 child abuse and report it,this could save many precious lives and give the child a chance to live a better life with another family who will truly love and care for them!!!!child killers will gt theirs back wen the time of judgement comes!!!!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i cnt believe wat is happening 2 the children of our country!it is so sad to knw there are children out there that are being abused daily and people knw about it and do nothing till it is too late!!!it totally sickens me!its high time people woke up 2 child abuse and report it,this could save many precious lives and give the child a chance to live a better life with another family who will truly love and care for them!!!!child killers will gt theirs back wen the time of judgement comes!!!!!!</p>
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		<title>By: Alastair</title>
		<link>http://menz.org.nz/2008/auckland-woman-tourtured-and-murdered-baby/comment-page-1/#comment-186977</link>
		<dc:creator>Alastair</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Nov 2008 03:49:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you Dave. I have added this to the earlier record from the original hearing February 07</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you Dave. I have added this to the earlier record from the original hearing February 07</p>
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