Comments on: How to get the publicity and support for a men’s movement http://menz.org.nz/2008/how-to-get-the-publicity-and-support-for-a-mens-movement/ - promoting a clearer understanding of men's experience - Wed, 7 Jan 2009 21:14:56 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6.5 By: Gerry http://menz.org.nz/2008/how-to-get-the-publicity-and-support-for-a-mens-movement/#comment-186459 Gerry Sun, 26 Oct 2008 03:06:47 +0000 http://menz.org.nz/?p=2295#comment-186459 Maybe we should start publicising examples of where opponents to the movement have used this site against us or have been monitoring it in order to harm individual cases. I am sure the media would like to promote this sort of "big brother" story. A story in the "Sunday Star Times" would have them running for cover. Maybe we should start publicising examples of where opponents to the movement have used this site against us or have been monitoring it in order to harm individual cases. I am sure the media would like to promote this sort of “big brother” story. A story in the “Sunday Star Times” would have them running for cover.

]]> By: Darryl Ward http://menz.org.nz/2008/how-to-get-the-publicity-and-support-for-a-mens-movement/#comment-185996 Darryl Ward Sat, 11 Oct 2008 22:49:50 +0000 http://menz.org.nz/?p=2295#comment-185996 Yes, it is definitely true that there are people in the movement whose egos are harmful. Unfortunately, this is a typical with any political movement. However, I would question the extent of infiltration by government spies. Certainly, it has happened on some of the main email groups, and we have caught the same senior manager from CYPFs not once but TWICE trying to infiltrate a list. What was incredible was the sheer incompetence of his attempts, but I digress. Such infiltration is far less likely though in actual groups that meet in person, where it is impossible to hide behind a fake online ID, and after nearly 20 years with the movement I cannot accept for one moment that such groups have been infiltrated by government spies. However, I have heard people being accused of being spies for such simple things as being openly involved with the labour party! Sorry, but real spies would not admit to that! As for suspicion over cooperation with government agencies, real change is brought about by effectively lobbying to change the thinking of those who have the power to change things rather than senseless jumping up and down. Yes, it is definitely true that there are people in the movement whose egos are harmful. Unfortunately, this is a typical with any political movement.

However, I would question the extent of infiltration by government spies. Certainly, it has happened on some of the main email groups, and we have caught the same senior manager from CYPFs not once but TWICE trying to infiltrate a list. What was incredible was the sheer incompetence of his attempts, but I digress.

Such infiltration is far less likely though in actual groups that meet in person, where it is impossible to hide behind a fake online ID, and after nearly 20 years with the movement I cannot accept for one moment that such groups have been infiltrated by government spies. However, I have heard people being accused of being spies for such simple things as being openly involved with the labour party!

Sorry, but real spies would not admit to that!

As for suspicion over cooperation with government agencies, real change is brought about by effectively lobbying to change the thinking of those who have the power to change things rather than senseless jumping up and down.

]]> By: julie http://menz.org.nz/2008/how-to-get-the-publicity-and-support-for-a-mens-movement/#comment-185887 julie Sat, 11 Oct 2008 08:20:44 +0000 http://menz.org.nz/?p=2295#comment-185887 I just had to comeback and laugh about my above comment. Some of the community groups are worried about the Men's movement and yet at the same time the Men's movement is worried about the community. Sorry, but John B, I did enjoy half of your comment. You are so right. This is practically an invisible wall. All it needs is good presentation. But you all know that. lol You've known it for ages, I bet. I just had to comeback and laugh about my above comment.

Some of the community groups are worried about the Men’s movement and yet at the same time the Men’s movement is worried about the community.

Sorry, but John B, I did enjoy half of your comment. You are so right.

This is practically an invisible wall. All it needs is good presentation. But you all know that. lol You’ve known it for ages, I bet.

]]> By: julie http://menz.org.nz/2008/how-to-get-the-publicity-and-support-for-a-mens-movement/#comment-185831 julie Sat, 11 Oct 2008 01:20:39 +0000 http://menz.org.nz/?p=2295#comment-185831 Ah, but in saying the above comment I do need to stress for the sake of the men's movement that many have a reputation including myself and that it is the fear of unpredictability and control behaviour that worries the outside community groups. Ah, but in saying the above comment I do need to stress for the sake of the men’s movement that many have a reputation including myself and that it is the fear of unpredictability and control behaviour that worries the outside community groups.

]]> By: julie http://menz.org.nz/2008/how-to-get-the-publicity-and-support-for-a-mens-movement/#comment-185829 julie Sat, 11 Oct 2008 01:13:57 +0000 http://menz.org.nz/?p=2295#comment-185829 John B, I am with Paul on this. Jim is a wonderful man with an amazing heart and Benjamin is one of the smartest men I have met and honest. I sincerely do not think you should be throwing stones. I think we should all get away from that and look away from ourselves as individuals and care as a group of very capable people. Reason for editing: I just want to say that I don't often agree with Benjamin and Jim but that doesn't mean I agree I am right on issues either. This is just a community move. John B, I am with Paul on this. Jim is a wonderful man with an amazing heart and Benjamin is one of the smartest men I have met and honest.

I sincerely do not think you should be throwing stones. I think we should all get away from that and look away from ourselves as individuals and care as a group of very capable people.

Reason for editing: I just want to say that I don’t often agree with Benjamin and Jim but that doesn’t mean I agree I am right on issues either. This is just a community move.

]]> By: Paul Catton http://menz.org.nz/2008/how-to-get-the-publicity-and-support-for-a-mens-movement/#comment-185805 Paul Catton Fri, 10 Oct 2008 23:12:11 +0000 http://menz.org.nz/?p=2295#comment-185805 <blockquote>John Brett - I’ve deleted the name you mentioned in #11, not because I disagree with you, but because it does seem to me like a personal attack, and because the individual isn’t able to defend himself in this forum. Comment by JohnP Tue 7th October 2008 @ 9:20 am </blockquote>— Once warned, twice banished? Kind Regards Paul Catton East Auckland Refuge for Men and Families 09 271 3020

John Brett - I’ve deleted the name you mentioned in #11, not because I disagree with you, but because it does seem to me like a personal attack, and because the individual isn’t able to defend himself in this forum.

Comment by JohnP Tue 7th October 2008 @ 9:20 am

— Once warned, twice banished?

Kind Regards
Paul Catton
East Auckland Refuge for Men and Families
09 271 3020

]]> By: John Brett http://menz.org.nz/2008/how-to-get-the-publicity-and-support-for-a-mens-movement/#comment-185800 John Brett Fri, 10 Oct 2008 22:59:03 +0000 http://menz.org.nz/?p=2295#comment-185800 Paranoia is alive and well What mens groups are you active in Perseus? GiveAManABreak? Which individuals do you so accuse? Apart from Jim Bailey, who do you accuse of being unable to work together? Names please. Paranoia is alive and well
What mens groups are you active in Perseus? GiveAManABreak?
Which individuals do you so accuse?
Apart from Jim Bailey, who do you accuse of being unable to work together?

Names please.

]]> By: GiveAManABreak http://menz.org.nz/2008/how-to-get-the-publicity-and-support-for-a-mens-movement/#comment-185799 GiveAManABreak Fri, 10 Oct 2008 22:52:21 +0000 http://menz.org.nz/?p=2295#comment-185799 Father's groups have been infiltrated by government spies, they are easy to spot though, they will be already public sector workers, much richer than a normal separated Dad and with a large house, they will be strangely well in with the law and even the local women's groups, they have been chosen because they are natural managers and will dominate proceedings. They will help Dads but they are spies, paid by the government ! Father’s groups have been infiltrated by government spies, they are easy to spot though, they will be already public sector workers, much richer than a normal separated Dad and with a large house, they will be strangely well in with the law and even the local women’s groups, they have been chosen because they are natural managers and will dominate proceedings. They will help Dads but they are spies, paid by the government !

]]> By: Perseus http://menz.org.nz/2008/how-to-get-the-publicity-and-support-for-a-mens-movement/#comment-185798 Perseus Fri, 10 Oct 2008 22:51:40 +0000 http://menz.org.nz/?p=2295#comment-185798 Father's groups have been infiltrated by government spies, they are easy to spot though, they will be already public sector workers, much richer than a normal separated Dad and with a large house, they will be strangely well in with the law and even the local women's groups, they have been chosen because they are natural managers and will dominate proceedings. They will help Dads but they are spies, paid by the government ! Father’s groups have been infiltrated by government spies, they are easy to spot though, they will be already public sector workers, much richer than a normal separated Dad and with a large house, they will be strangely well in with the law and even the local women’s groups, they have been chosen because they are natural managers and will dominate proceedings. They will help Dads but they are spies, paid by the government !

]]> By: Gerry http://menz.org.nz/2008/how-to-get-the-publicity-and-support-for-a-mens-movement/#comment-185786 Gerry Fri, 10 Oct 2008 21:42:45 +0000 http://menz.org.nz/?p=2295#comment-185786 I think this is a wonderful idea, I know there are lots of coalitions and unions, but from my perspecvtive they all seem to operate individually. An natioanl body made up of representatives of all the various regional men's groups could be a powerful voice. What we need is a true national voice, rather than working in isolation. Gerry. I think this is a wonderful idea, I know there are lots of coalitions and unions, but from my perspecvtive they all seem to operate individually. An natioanl body made up of representatives of all the various regional men’s groups could be a powerful voice. What we need is a true national voice, rather than working in isolation.
Gerry.

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