Jail for texting
I’m a 45 year old, white male, well educated and (my opinion only and reading on, I have no doubt many of you will question this claim) of above average intelligence. I run my own custom audio/visual integration business (TV’s, stereos, etc), I’m far too busy and incredibly dis-organised as a result.
My wife of 10 years and I separated in June 06 (her decision, suddenly and completely without warning), we have a son X, who’s 8 1/2.
He’s an absolute diamond!
I have been “through the mill” as it were for the past 20 months my story I’m sure, not unlike many…evicted from the jointly owned family home, with only the clothes on my back, nights spent in the car, struggling in my case with a relatively new business and because of the way our finances were structured prior, (I paid the entire mortgage and all monthly accounts) absolutely cash poor.
At the tender age of 45, I am proud to say that I have never once struck, or even made to strike another person nor, have I ever been struck…even through school. As I like to say, I won my last fight by 60 metres. Based only…and I cannot stress enough, only text and phone communications from me - none of which was even remotely threatening - I was served with a ex parte’ protection order and so began the debarcle that is the Family Court.
My wife and I were in fact the first couple into the much vaunted “Parenting Hearings Programme”.
Because of my financial position, I self litigated in the Family Court and fucked it up completely and utterly. Whilst I was up to it in terms of intelligence and my ability to converse and communicate effectively, I took no account of the emotional effect and can confirm that, despite the fancy coloured brochures, DVDs and their continued posturing to the contrary, the family court is as adversarial any other and if what I experienced is in the best interests of the child, then the collective “we” are in deep shit! The end result is I have Sons Name for 4 hours every Thursday (3 pm til 7 pm) and every second weekend from 9 am Saturday until 1 pm on Sunday. And apparently I should be fucking grateful for that!I did have one small win. I was excused from having to attend a stopping violence programme.
Now I cannot say I recommend this method to anyone else, I’m a firm believer in the “it’s all in the delivery” theory and clearly I back myself.
However, given the eviseration I received whilst self litigating, I felt I had nothing to lose and thus, in my submission as to why I should be excused from the Stopping Violence course I called the Family Court and all those in it for every conceivable adjective (including a couple that haven’t been invented yet).
I suggested that my wife’s lawyer (Alison Adams - Laworks, a thoroughly repulsive human being) must surely be sleeping with the Judge, (albeit it in a much shorter, more direct fashion), that my wife had received preferential treatment given she was “one of them” (see below), that the hearing could not have been impartial given the Judge hearing our case (Harding from memory)was the same one who’d signed her protection order, etc, etc. Believe me I gave it to them with both barrels, all 12 pages.
Incidentally, my wife is a lawyer with her own boutique practice. Her specific area of expertise is not in any way family related. I did discover shortly after we parted ways that she had been having an affair for a no. of years with her major client (she only acts for a handful of clents, this well known “leaky homes specialist” is the majority of her business)
The other thing I did was admit I was angry. I did this both in my submission and to the Judge hearing my application to set aside. And I must say here, credit where due, the Judge hearing my application was a female, with a warm, friendly smile whose name escapes me for the mo. And the very first thing she said to me after Good Morning was “Have you seen your son? And that was and remains, the only time where the child has indeed been put at the top of the list!
She agreed with my observation that anyone, male or female suggesting they “weren’t angry” having had this sort of shit heaped upon them, would be pushing the boundaries of the believeable to the absolute extreme but reminded me “you’ll be one of a handful of men this year Mr Right, who do not have to complete this course”
As an aside, I firmly believe my wife has received above and beyond the expected level of attention from both the police - over zealous - and the Family Court and the Police again -underzealous this time -who couldn’t have cared less when, over the Dec/Jan and into early Feb this year, she knowingly and deliberately breached court orders giving me contact and access with Sons Name and she simply went off on holiday and couldn’t have cared less.
From April through November last year I continued (mostly unwittingly) to breach the protection order the result being that, facing in all 19 charges (18x BOPO, 1x theft*) on Dec 7th I was remanded in custody on the basis I presented a “real and significant risk” of re-offending.
* The theft charge. I discovered in July 07, via the sudden arrival of two Baycorp demands relating to a garden waste removal service, ordered by wife, in my name (whilst we were still together) that went unpaid after my departure and two notifications advising that I had been listed through Veda Advantage as a credit risk owing to my unpaid ACC levies, that she was not forwarding what little mail was still going to our home address.
Following this discovery I began removing my mail (which was mostly unopened - it was simply discarded immediately) from the rubbish bin, whilst it was on the verge, outside the family home, awaiting collection! That, according to Constable Pillock of the Family Violence Squad based at Onehunga, is theft?
On the 12th of December I was refused bail again on the same basis…ironically in another court at about the same time, a young father with considerably more notoriety than I and facing 2 murder charges, was granted bail. Why?
Because he no longer posed a real and significant risk of re-offending…he couldn’t murder his kids again!
On Dec 20th I pleaded guilty to all 19 charges and was sentenced to time served and 9 months supervision, along with an evaluation for psycological counselling and to complete the infamous “Stopping Violence Programme”.
I was given a 2 min, 12 second verbal flogging by Judge de Jong who called me for everything and I was apparently responsible for Sons Name poor performance at school (he got an outstanding school report, the only blemish being his punctuality - I don’t think his mother got him to school on time once last year, despite living less than 25m from the school gates). Further, I was responsible for his bed wetting (he doesn’t), his agressiveness, etc, etc.
The following is the verbatim “Summary Comment” from his teacher in his end of 2007 report
“Sons Name is a popular and well liked member of class. He has good social relationships with his classmates and is supportive and co-operative in all activities. He is able to share his ideas when asked and does this in a polite and respectful manner. He works well in group situations, often helping and supporting others. Sons Name takes his share of resposibility for the smooth running of the classroom and completes his tasks conscientiously and efficiently. I have thoroughly enjoyed having Sons Name in my class and will follow his progress with interest”
And hand written from the principal. “Great to see you doing so well Sons Name. I especially like to see you building your confidence through learning”
Had I not fallen on my sword I would have been remanded in custody until early March. Remember this is all for sending text messages. I mean, can you see the headline screaming out from The Herald ?
“Mother (47) bashed to death with text message”
Four related directly to contact and access to my son, eleven of them whilst him and his mother were holidaying in England and France and it was the only way I could contact him following her hollow promises that “Sons Name will have his phone, call him whenever you like” and “I will make sure Sons Name calls you regularly, probably from my phone so if you see the no., it’s OK to answer it”
Each text message I sent began with (in caps) “THIS IS A MESSAGE FOR Sons Name“.
The other 3 were my own stupid fault and for those I take full responsibility.
I might add here, I am not lily white. I have done some…and in particulalr, said some unbelieveably stupid things however, whilst it is apparent that the female or “applicant” has free rein, but for the male (or respondent) step 1 mm out of line and it’s a hanging.
On Feb 4th this year I was arrested again (after self reporting to the Ponsonby police station) on 4 further BOPO charges, 3 of which were for going to watch my son at a cricket coaching clinic - at his specific request and having been also invited by my mother.
She had bought him the clinic for Xmas, she was looking after him for most of that week thus, he was in her care.
The other for taking his 2008 class list printed off the school website, to him at his home. I live in a little flat, approx 300m from the family home and thus my wife and son. (Me living so close was ironically, at her behest originally). I repeat, I did this at the specific request of the “Protected Person”. I did not enter the property and his mother wasn’t within 5 miles of me on any of the occasions outlined.
Pointing out to PC Plod that I had merely responded to a specific request of the protected person which is allowed within the terms “protection order” bought the whining response “But he’s only 8″. To wit I retorted, “Yes of course and he asked for this protection order didn’t he?”
Knowing you’re smarter than the “poor cop who’s just doing his job” is one thing. Making it painfully obvious to both him and his trusty sidekick doesn’t always bear fruit. And so for the umpteenth time I got to ride in a police car, with Plod telling me confidently that I could look forward to a lengthy stay in prison as they would be opposing bail and based on my previous, they were a shoe in.
I’ll save the blow by blow for another time (as if anyone’s interested) but I can assure you, it was more than a wry smile that crossed my face as I was bailed later that day. My wife was, as I understand it ”apoplectic” And score one for the good guys!
I appeared again in the “Family Violence Court” (how to appeal to the masses…not a lot of thought went into that name) on Tues last where, I was further remanded (on bail) to appear for a defended hearing of all four charges on June 10th.
This despite the facts clearly showing that a/ I was specifically invited by the “protected person” (my son) and b/ I was also invited on 3 occasions by my mother…who was clearly in loco parentis (that’s Charles in Charge for those who aren’t au fait with Latin) and therefore free to invite me or anyone she pleased.
Yes, even Peter Ellis from the Christchurch creche (although I don’t whether he’s that keen on cricket).
And so the already overburdened taxpayer (of which I am well and truly one) will have to stump up for the cost of, if I’m not mistaken, trial by jury.
…to be continued (alas)
A couple of mildly (under the circumstances) amusing footnotes…
1/ My mother (70) was “forced” to make a statement to the police regarding my attendance at Sons Name’s cricket coaching. Fortunately, she had the good sense to conclude her “videotaped statement” by staring at the camera and leaving no one in any doubt that she was an extremely unwilling participant. Interestingly, her statement would appear to have been “omitted” from the evidence submitted by the police.
2/ I have at this point been unable to secure “funding” (via my parole officer) from an approved agency to enable me to attend the Stopping Violence course as per my convictions. Apparently I’m very low on the list, there are obviously lot’s of people who are “angrier” than I out there. (And no, I’m not interested in anyone’s suggestions as to who I might contact to rectify this. Seriously!)
Thanks for reading.
Cheers
Mr Right. the man every woman’s looking for!
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I don’t know what to say other than my heart goes out to you.
Comment by wendy — Mon 17th March 2008 @ 10:59 am
Thank-you Wendy…although that ain’t the half of it…I’m not sure about just how to continue, I have no doubt that for many it’ll be dismissed as a work of fiction!
As John Lee Hooker sang, “Whiskey and Women just about done gone wrecked my life”!
Cheers
Comment by Mr Right — Mon 17th March 2008 @ 12:17 pm
So Mr Right there is nothing in your story that is even slightly surprising. This is buisness as normal for the family court. There are lots of us who have had similar treatment. My kids were ripped away from me, now 14 years ago and actually are doing OK despite my worst fears, though they could have done a hell of a lot better. My response has been that it is now my lifetime calling to try an get changes to the system. It is totally corrupt and actively harms children, the only people who get any benefit are the corrupt lawyers who make a living out of it. At least with representing yourself you saved a heap of money in legal fees, and though you say you messed it up, you could have spent $20,000 or more and got the same outcome.
There are heaps of us who want to help each other, what could I do for you?
Cheers
Viv Roberts
Comment by Viv Roberts — Mon 17th March 2008 @ 5:00 pm
Mate!
This story sounds so familiar!!!! The women just have to say you did something and you are immediately guilty. the polise are not payed to think they are payed to take robotic actions (Only doing my job Guv). Be glad you see your son. I wish I could see mine. I have no idea where he is and the Police (Bumbling fools that they are) don’t give a toss. Now if she said I was hitting her or something like that they would be onto me in a flash…
Angry! Freaking hell. Angry is just the start of it. I would NEVER condone hitting a woman (or anyone for that matter) however I can see why some guys do snap. They drive you insane. These woman can be very very hurtful with their cake holes.
These women think they are hurting you but what they are really doing is really hurting their own children. They are also using the children to get to you. How could a mother who says she loves her child do so much damage to them. That says to me that they do not love them at all. From what I have seen, experienced most of their agro is to do with money pure and simple.
I just don’t understand how they can lie so blatantly and get away with it!
Interesting what you say about your son’s welfare only coming up once in proccedings. This seems to be a constant theme in most cases. The family court is a joke. They say the law is an ass, well this one is a 50 stone ass. There is no such thing as justice or fairness.
Good luck Mate. I hope you and your Son can come out of all this OK.
Good on you for standing up for your son’s right to spend meaningful quality time with you. It is a hard road but in the end it will be worth it.
Your son can never say that you ran away and did not love him. Sure the Booze hags and slapper women who do this to people will try to turn the children away from their fathers but if you maintain a good honest relationship with your son and never talk ill of your Ex in time he will know who REALLY loves him. I have spoken to many people who have said the one thing that they really hated was when ther Mother talked so nastily about their father.
Actions speak a hell of a lot louder than words or money orientated gifts.
Comment by Andy — Mon 17th March 2008 @ 5:37 pm
Sorry to hear of the violence done to you by the feminist state. Yes, China deserves condemnation for its human rights abuses but NZ would do well to look at its own behaviour first. What can one do? Political action. Writing here is a good start. Then for the election check out which parties have any men-friendly and/or family protective policies.
As to your name, I recall the joke “I thought I had met Mrs Right, until I found out her first name was “Always”.
Comment by Hans Laven — Mon 17th March 2008 @ 11:24 pm
Alison Adams was very insensitive to my needs as well. I went into her office one day and called her a fat little barren dwarf. She sent me a trespass notice!!!!! I really think her actions were a bit over the top and entirely unwarranted. She is fat, she is a dwarf, she is little (as in very little intellect) and she and her husband John Adams adopted some Russian kids so they either very charitable or can’t have kids on their own.
As you can imagine treating my own lawyer (Alison Adams) with such contempt is a fairly good indication of what the rest of the FC was like.
My somewhat restrained opinion of AA was fueled by her collabaration with the LFC , Pip Cobcroft in proposing a contact regime with my beautiful 2yo daughter as follows; my sister was going to drive 30kms to collect my daughter from her mothers residence,she would then transport my daughter 20kms to an access center on the other side of Auckland. I would travel 20km seperatley and see my daughter for 2 hours while my sister would wait outside. After 2 hours the whole process would be reversed. Adams argued vehemently with me for 10 minutes that this was what was going to happen and to agree with it on the morning of my FC hearing. I said that my daughter was coming to my house. Guess what the judge said. It then cost Adams 2 years and over 4k of litigation to get the 4k that she claimed I owed her.
Hey Mr Right, if you want to get proper contact with your son give me a call. Auck 479 5016. I am the only guy in NZ who has a protection order for strangling his ex wife (Judge…. Mr Wotton, why did you strangle your ex for, cause I’m a piss poor shot your hona )and still has his daughter half the time.
Andrew
Comment by Andrew Wotton — Tue 18th March 2008 @ 12:01 am
A familiar story Mr Right.
My advise to any father going through separation is place a small hole in the forehead of your Ex. Fill it with lead and you will not only get the best Legal advice available in this country but you will not have to pay for it.
You will also not lose any assets and will in a short time have full access to your children with all the available expert assistance you need.
Your pain will be more bearable than what is presently dished out by our family courts and IRD.
Comment by Agrieved Father — Fri 21st March 2008 @ 12:55 pm
I have been through all you have and ten times more.I am now forced to live outside New Zealand.If you see my previous posts you wil see why.I am a lawyer and I am owed about $60,000 by the IRD in uncollected Child Support payments.I am allowed no contact whatsoever with my 3 children.Their mother has lied again and again to the Family Court and the IRD with total impunity.
I have spent several nights in custody for alleged breaches of a ridiculous protection order which was obtained through lies while I was overseas.I have never been convicted of any offence.
I strongly suggest that if you want to move on and make everything you can of the rest of your life you learn about unconditional love.Stop any kind of bad feeling towards your ex wife.Thank her for the good times you had together.Wish her well for her future.Stop abusing people.They are not going to change and they have their own agendas.Give up on trying to have contact with your child.Move on before it does your head in.I did so just in time and an enormous amount of clarity and sense of well being replaced anger,frustration and despair.
The NZ Family Court system and the Police will never ever treat you fairly no matter how much you rant and rave.Accept that and move on.For everyone`s sake
Comment by whanga — Fri 21st March 2008 @ 5:40 pm
hi there,
i have stumbled upon this page,i dont really know what i was looking for my husband and i have been through the ringer in terms of the family courts and the nasty ex he has 2 children and we have been in and out of the courts for nearly 4yrs,your story just rings so true,we have his children every fortnight and half the holidays now the mother wants to take that from us,and she will most likely get it why?because she is the mother and has the childrens best interests at heart,my husband and i will just end up with the hefty bill,while she uses her legal aid appointed lawyer,anyway i just wanted to say thanks i thought i was going madd!
Comment by lorna davis — Wed 26th March 2008 @ 4:07 pm
Hi Mr Right,
Unfortunately I wasn’t online when you first posted your comment, but I would like to comment now.
Firstly, like you, I have never hit anyone in anger in my entire life, however, I was a victim of severe violence from my mother and father during my childhood, culminating in being thrown down a flight of stairs by my mother, which the police to this day refuse to investigate, despite having two witnesses. I am a gentle and inteligent 46 year old man, who achieved an A+ average at university, and completely changed my life in order to be the primary caregiver of my only child when his mother threatened to abort him.
I was his primary caregiver and primary emotional bond right up to the day when his mother left me for another man, and made a false complaint to the police and went on the DPB. The problem I had was convincing the Family Court of my role in my son’s life. The Judge’s completely disbelieved anything I said, and the mother’s two lawyers, who are the lowest form of scum living on this planet, behaved unethically to an extreme level. One of them, who will be familiar to you (Lex De Jong), was a blatant liar in my case, but even worse, he became a Family Court Judge soon after a complaint was made that he was intoxicated while discussing a Family Court case in a local night club. Somehow, by De Jong behaving unethically and lying in court, his career as a Family Court Judge was gaurenteed.
On reflection, I don’t believe for one second that my fight for reasonable contact with my son and only child was ever against the mother, but rather against the system that disbeleived anything I said and put me, a decent honest gentle father, in the same catagory as a convicted murderer. Not any time throughout my three year FC tour of duty did my son’s interests come before his mother’s, giving rise to my opinion that the Family Court should be called the Mother Court. The Judges didn’t give a shit about my son or me, and consistantly pandered to the mother’s every wish.
If you like, you can contact me off-line to compare notes. In particular, De Jong should never have become a Judge…I still have nightmares about his demented smiles on the day that he lied to the Judge about me.
Comment by xsryder — Mon 16th June 2008 @ 10:51 pm
Yeah that de Jong is a shocker.So smug isn’t he?
Very influential and “respected”.Takes lots of seminars for lawyers teaching them the tricks of the trade.
So what happened in the defended hearings on June 10?
If anyone has any trouble with these protection order things you really do have to get written prmission from the “protected” party to do anything.Merely telling the cops someone said it was OK will never wash.
Like Mr Right and xsryder I am mid 40s and (I thought) intelligent and highly educated.
Yet we have not been able to communicate with ex partners,police and family court lawyers or judges.Almost not at all!Not good is it.
Hopefully someone reading this will learn from our mistakes and enjoy their mid 40s in peace and harmony with their children.
PS I was also thrown down steps by my mother. When I was 10 years old.She was a High School Deputy Principal at the time.
At least you had the support of your mother Mr Right.I have never had the luxury.Direct opposite in fact.
My mother has continuously campaigned in my family for me not to see my kids and wrote to a Family Court Judge alleging (fictitious) drug and alcohol abuse etc.
She encouraged my ex to change my childrens’ surnames and is basically a shrew.Never done anything to hurt or harm her either.Isn’t life great!!
Comment by whanga — Tue 17th June 2008 @ 12:15 am
Just Amazing! What you have to go through and the whole time that you are fending off your Ex’s false pathetic accusations you are dealing with the most horrific emotions of being seperated from you child.
My partner started proceedings to have shared 50/50 custody of his daughter Feb 2008. The Mother of his child has put him through so much and to this day continues to fabricate more and more lies, using the system in all the usual ways these types of women do.
I have no doubt that what we are embarking on with Lawyers and the FC that we have a huge battle to get through.
Your stories of which you share really help others to prepare themselves for the long rediculous battle ahead.
The types of women who put both fathers and children through this are discusting, pathetic pieces if crap deserving of nothing in my opinion.
Loving Fathers like yourself are the only hope that your children have of enduring life at home with their pathetic, selfish Mother.
Comment by cazz3003 — Wed 13th August 2008 @ 4:15 pm
Many people above tell unbelievable stories about what has happened in familycaught.
You can only protect and care for your family, when you know the truth about how well your doctor, your child’s teacher, or your familycaught “judge” can serve you.
While people cannot believe these unbelievable stories, they will be unable to make the best decisions, about how to protect their family.
Believing “judges”, without checking with their customer’s experiences, is taking a bit of a chance!
As the air hostess says in the safety talk, put on your oxygen mask, before your children’s.
You have to protect yourself, before you can protect your children.
Many men complain about unfair treatment they have received from familycaught.
Some stupid women also think the same and abuse their freedom to use perjury.
But if you look back a few year later, you will see that they are poor, in relationships and in assets. If they inherit anything, the Legal Workers Aid Agency will take it off them, to repay the Government, the legal bills paid earlier. This can be particularly aggravating, if the legal “work” wasn’t worth doing anyway.
The people who are best off, are those who negotiate honestly and in good faith (without any legal workers or thieves).
This is whether they are together, or are separated. This does take some time, to allow for cooling off down to common sense. Negotiating takes time and effort too, but it is well worth it. This is the only way that children can receive the best that their parents can provide. If the parents are impoverished in some way, by excessive spending on legal workers, then obviously family life is impoverished. So spend wisely.
These stories are unbelievable, because they are so far outside of common sense. How could any sensible “judge” do such things?
Common sense is based on the foundations of facts - hard evidence.
When sympathy sweeps away evidence, then there is no limit to how unfair the outcome can become.
The judicial oath should prevent this from ever happening!
In a secret caught, far away from accountability, then these things can happen so easily.
So listen carefully to customers of the familycaught. By believing their experiences, then you are in a position to work out what things you can entrust to the familycaught and what things you would be unwise to entrust to them.
When you expose your life to them, you take on these hazards. Is it worth it?
These “judges” don’t have professional level training to be judges. They only have legal worker’s training and worst of all, they have experience working as a legal worker. Trusting them with family problems, is taking a big gamble, possibly not a sensible risk with your family’s welfare.
Only use the familycaught services, when you are confident that they can reliably do a good quality job, at a sensible and worthwhile cost. Compare the cost effectiveness and reliability of their services, to other negotiating assistance services, some free. Make up your own mind, after you have listened to the evidence.
Demand hard evidence, not just talk, from the “judges” and from their customers.
I hope then, that you can care for your family and enjoy life, the way it is meant to be lived.
Lots of love, MurrayBacon.
Comment by MurrayBacon — Thu 14th August 2008 @ 12:25 am
All this unfairness is based upon the tendancy of politicians to treat humans in their simplest subsets ie females, males etc. This suits both the Marxist and the marketeer alike. The dominant social unit is in fact the ‘couple’. if we thought this way, we would have a system that truly respected the needs of the child, and parents who genuinely cared about their children over all other considerations would be catered for by the courts. Instead, the children become casualty’s of the gender war.
Political correctness came out of the U.S. (read Harrison Bergeron a 1953 critique of such by Philip K Dick) women, ethnics and homosexuals were its soldiers, and they were there to attack society, protected by a rubric of post colonial guilt. They first controlled media, education and law. Now an entire generation has been inculcated with PC, and its meaning has broadened and it has become less easily defined.
You cannot criticise a woman, a homosexual or an ethnic, without being called a sexist, a racist, or a homophobe. Thus, ‘the left’ dictate social policy making (including family courts);society and the judges bow through emotional blackmail via fear of the media/job losses etc This is all product of the the same white liberalist neo-Marxist philosophy that has hijacked the entire university system in NZ.
Sperm stealers are assisted, women who prey upon male desperation, then lock a man into a financial situation for the next 20 yrs, and relationships that they never wanted. Male testicular pressure dictates poor decision making choices, especially when intoxicated. Why should women benefit from this? Women should be entirely responsible for their own offspring, unless the inseminator is in a relationship with them. Paradoxically, this is the only way they will ever be free of the yoke of the patriarchy. Gender biased legislation holds them down through promoting dependency.
Wayne Mapp was put in charge of fighting PC by the National party and has done little. He never even bothered seeking out right wing university writers and getting them organised, simple stuff really.
The currently fashionable PC Labourite philosophy has to be questioned, and exposed. Women are not sacred, they can be rotten and evil too. So can blacks, homosexuals. The bond between a father and child is JUST as important as that between a mother and child. By questioning guilt based emotional decision making every day you can weaken their absurd belief system.
Stereotypes are OK if tested, and race, gender and culture are all very different things. Best advice, Don’t vote Labour, the Greens, or any other party that buys into socialist brainwashing.
regards
npk
Comment by nickk — Sun 21st September 2008 @ 6:09 pm
Hell hath no fury like a women scorned - especially in NZ, the feminist state run enterprise. Wake up. Does no one ever learn. If this is how sad it is then why are you not litigating in every court (civil and others if necessary) to gain advantage against your ex. Why sit back and take it and think the family court will consider your views? Society says, man works to provide for the family and the family consists of the wife and children. That was your decision when you married and it was for life and life is what the court is giving you. Listen to what you swear on in your wedding vows. Its for life and make sure you appreciate that. You had a family and that is for life.
Comment by Bob the Builder — Mon 27th October 2008 @ 11:43 pm
It will not change until there is a war, then the governments will magically start to wave flags, there will be hundreds of soldier films on the TV, reporting of atrocities to incite us. After years of berating males for being “violent”, they will expect us to go and kill (other men). This will be all to save their own skins.
Individuals cannot do anything agsinst the state, who control most of the nation’s economy, brainwash police and soldiers to follow orders and die for “New Zealand”. Most of the politicians and police are male, but they pursue feminist legislation and many still have strong misplaced feelings of “Chivalry”
you can be sure that men will matter if there is another war
Comment by Perseus — Tue 28th October 2008 @ 1:38 am
Let us all hope their is no major war. What a depressing thought.
Comment by Allan Harvey — Tue 28th October 2008 @ 8:08 am