Comments on: Minimization of Violence Against Men

By: Martin Swash

Martin Swash — Mon, 23 Jun 2008 12:06:39 +0000

BRILLIANTLY SAID PAUL!!!!

You must have lots and lots of emotions now to get over this, Do not listen to people who say “get over it, forgive” and all that shit, it is a time for hate, so cry, shout, drink lots, do bad things. We are all with you ! Nobody can you tell you what to do, we are men, we do things for ourselves. RELEASE YOUR EMOTIONS, it is a grieving process that you are going through ! It is like someone has died, write mails about women and the injustices that you have faced. RELEASE YOUR EMOTIONS then you will be OK !!!!!!!!!

Men have built the world, women rely on social engineering.

By: paul

paul — Mon, 23 Jun 2008 11:31:18 +0000

Lets face it we are going to die. The ads say if you smoke you will die, if you drive thru intersections you will die, if you speed you will die, if you drink and drive you will die… You could have one bottle of beer and then have a smoke and drive thru a train crossing. and an intersection.. well according to the government you will be dead. I tried it but it didn’t work !! perhaps they should say, try and defend yourself, try and see your kids as that is what does kill you… It is killing me.. so i have made the decision to leave it. I could defend myself and I have good reason too. However the courts work on stress and how much they can take from you. I love my kids, but I am no good to them dead. So to the selfish bitches out there I hope you die in hell. You selfish no good scum of society. You think you have won, but at the end of the day your ignorant, self absorbed bitches. You are totally responsible for society today so do not complain when your children get into trouble, do not complain when they have killed someone because of there hard and differcuilt upbringing… YOU brought them up. You are the guilty ones. You are the ones that took them from there fathers hand. You are the ones that mislead them, and you are the ones that better vote for Helen Clarke or some lesbian to fight your case!! I hope you just all rot in hell, and i believe you will… Lets face it woman are selfish, eveil people. That is why in history they were suppressed. It was for thr good of human kind. In india they still believe it is the order of the man, the son the cow and then the woman.. they have 1.2 billion people and it works. In new zealand we have 4 million people and it doesn’t work. ho humm ….

By: Martin Swash

Martin Swash — Mon, 23 Jun 2008 09:06:02 +0000

My wife, [name removed by moderator], also threatened to cut off my fingers and kill me when i slept, Whanga, but your story is obviously much worse !

But I did go to the police, because i knew she was capable of doing this in reality. She told the cop that i had tried to strangle her the night before. I hope to tell my sons one day what their lovely charming African mother did to their father, and i wonder what [name removed by moderator]’s reactions would be if our twin sons had a wife like her.

By: whanga

whanga — Thu, 17 Apr 2008 05:53:36 +0000

They often attack when you are asleep.My first effort grabbed my thumb,pulled it back and smashed it.It is still about twice the size of my left one 10 years later and hurts a little.I left her over this and the police ignored my complaints.She blamed PMT.She also threw knives at me in front of the kids.I was soon given a protection order against me ex parte as a result of phoning my kids at a time that was inconvenient to her.I have never been able to get rid of this and have no contact with my 12 year old daughter as a result.I regard myself as lucky to have escaped with my life.
With the second effort I woke up and found her standing over my bed with a knife at 2 am.I took my daughter and left and got a Protection Order but unbelievably she got one too as the judge believed it appropriate there should be mutual orders.No reason for this was given.I was forced to go to 12 counselling sessions.This order has been used to stop me contacting her now too.Again my overall thinking is that I am happy to have escaped with my life.In Greg Hallett’s excellent book “The Family Court and other experiments” many statistics about the strong predominance of female over male violence are produced.The problem of course is that men rarely complain and when they do the women turn it round and make up stories which are believed by the ridiculous police and court staff and lawyers.

By: MurrayBacon

MurrayBacon — Wed, 16 Apr 2008 21:37:54 +0000

Regarding minimisation of violence against men - violence seems to have many facets, which often have quite different characteristics.
Measures that prove effective against one type of violence may or may not prove effective against others.
Conclusion - to be effective AND to do more good than harm, we need to study what is happening and carefully check the effectiveness and relevance and hidden costs of corrective measures.
Unfortunately NZ research does seem to be a little one-eyed, perhaps due to Government “funding pressures” manipulating the “values” of the researchers. Australian research appears to be be more open to the breadth of issues faced and more willing to face these issues with balanced values.
Research discussing only murders is likely to be feminist motivated, as women can escape the murder rap, by claiming temporary insanity, whereas men get a longer and worse rap if they try insanity, as their’s is viewed as a permanent problem.
Example: Siblicide killing or homicide of a sibling - appears to be mainly a sister killing brother phenomenon. Whilst this is only a small fraction of all homicide, corrective actions such as throwing the book at men, obviously cannot have any useful impact at reducing siblicide!

http://www.aic.gov.au/publications/tandi2/tandi255.pdf
See page 4

Hans, I commend you for drawing our attention to these issues.
The solution in NZ will require lots of everyday people talking to their politicians and discussing the values they want our Government to be run on.
Apathy serves no-one and only wastes our lives and our children’s too.
Best regards, MurrayBacon.

By: Hans Laven

Hans Laven — Mon, 28 Jan 2008 10:16:50 +0000

Hi Perseus. You are correct that the interview wasn’t a major travesty of justice, but as I stated it was a good example for exploring modern sexism. I didn’t intend to rouse the wrath of fathers, simply to draw attention to a public example of violence against a man being minimized, something even the interviewer probably had no awareness of. The same widespread attitude that the interviewer brought to the interview underlies the way many men are abused by the system for being victims of female violence.

By: Allan Harvey

Allan Harvey — Sun, 27 Jan 2008 18:44:37 +0000

Hi Peter, With respect some people need to use lawyers. If people are not articulate, confident, able to think on their feet then lawyers are a fact of life. What is your solution to thew problem? It does people in need no good to make a ham fisted application and have it rejected by the Court. In many FC’s around the country it may never even be accepted by the Court at step one due to some minor procedural error.
You may find lawyers have been part of your problem but they do work for the majority of FC litigants as evidenced by their representation in about 99% of cases. I would venture that the only four areas of the country where self representation is common are the four areas where UoF is or has been active.
What would you say the situation is in Christchurch? I was in Dunedin last year and the FC co-ordinator told me that they hardly ever get a self-represented case there.
Ministry of Justice Research Unit have a research project that was completed last year on self-represented litigants that has never been released. Union of Fathetrs is planning to seek its “draft” report under Offical Information Act if it doesn’t appear before the end of February.

By: dad4justice

dad4justice — Sun, 27 Jan 2008 16:47:00 +0000

Alan Harvey adds to the problem by giving bad advice. Can’t you all see that lawyers are the problem . I sometimes wonder about the motives of some wayward advice ;

“See a family Lawyer today (this morning) or there are lots here who can help you if you need assistance with the application for a protection order. “

By: Perseus

Perseus — Sun, 27 Jan 2008 07:52:07 +0000

For me this is nothing to do with Gender Wars, but everything to do with Waitangi Treaty wars. But the violence against the man WAS minimised , yes I agree. But not a good example to spark the wrath of Dads

By: Perseus

Perseus — Fri, 25 Jan 2008 10:58:32 +0000

Having listened to the Radio article, it is mildly annoying, there was a difference in the way the two were treated, the interviewer just didn’t cotton to the fact that the mayor had been attacked quite badly and was just trying agressively interview the mayor. But as for major example of male discrimination, i don’t think so, that goes on daily throughout NZ every day , i am sure