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		<title>By: Jim Bailey</title>
		<link>http://menz.org.nz/2008/my-fathers-day/#comment-183522</link>
		<dc:creator>Jim Bailey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Sep 2008 15:06:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Martin,

If most men were doing small actions the Govt would not have the power it has to destroy our Families thru the many agencies it has developed.

Onward - Jim</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Martin,</p>
<p>If most men were doing small actions the Govt would not have the power it has to destroy our Families thru the many agencies it has developed.</p>
<p>Onward - Jim</p>
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		<title>By: Jim Bailey</title>
		<link>http://menz.org.nz/2008/my-fathers-day/#comment-183521</link>
		<dc:creator>Jim Bailey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Sep 2008 15:03:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Murray,

Let me open your assessment of the situation further 

As you have said above;

**I suggest that it also hints that if judges did their job properly, then children would be far better protected from abuse and abduction.**

If ALL Govt agencies, NZLaw and NZSocial Policy did their-/-its job as their tittles suggest,our Families would be strong and not effected by the odd set of Parents separating. 

Most tittles are Spin Doctored lies in order to hide their real task of Family Destruction. 
Judges are merely a part of that massive World-Wide lie.

In fact how many would/did separate before Govt induced separation existed?

Onward - Jim</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Murray,</p>
<p>Let me open your assessment of the situation further </p>
<p>As you have said above;</p>
<p>**I suggest that it also hints that if judges did their job properly, then children would be far better protected from abuse and abduction.**</p>
<p>If ALL Govt agencies, NZLaw and NZSocial Policy did their-/-its job as their tittles suggest,our Families would be strong and not effected by the odd set of Parents separating. </p>
<p>Most tittles are Spin Doctored lies in order to hide their real task of Family Destruction.<br />
Judges are merely a part of that massive World-Wide lie.</p>
<p>In fact how many would/did separate before Govt induced separation existed?</p>
<p>Onward - Jim</p>
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		<title>By: MurrayBacon</title>
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		<dc:creator>MurrayBacon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Sep 2008 10:35:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree Jim.
I hate it when people try to manipulate or damage other people's relationships (apart from protecting innocent children).

Good parents want their children to get the best that both parents can offer and most mothers and fathers are like this.  

Only insecure fathers or mothers try to block access of their children to the other parent.  Usually these parents are also lacking parenting skills, as well as confidence.

&lt;blockquote&gt;We should honour them if they are good Parents which they can’t do unless they honour the man who gave his essence as an Equal Parent. Residing together or not&lt;/blockquote&gt;

It is scary that the familycaught support these (mainly 85%) mothers, who block access to the other parent.  In their jealousy of the relationship between their child and their spouse, they are prepared to vandalise the other parent's relationship.  

It appears the the familycaught are so bent on supporting custodial parents (or just milking their customers until dry), that they neglect to carefully weigh the evidence and take proper care of the children.

A few judges in UK and USA will reverse custody, in these parental alienation situations.  I believe it has happened in NZ, a very very small number of times. Constructive action, taken early, has a better chance to restore a sharing relationship, than supporting the abusive parent (but is less profitable for the assorted legal workers). 

Example published by Judge Boshier (but now hidden again!):
Kay Skelton abused access orders repeatedly, through several familycaught orders.  While the familycaught continued to support her breaches of familycaught orders, she continued to escalate the degree of breach.  She showed clearly that the familycaught judges are just monkeys, well dressed. Maybe, to be polite, I could call them clowns?

It is interesting that Judge Boshier's honesty, was later declared to be in breach of the law!  This honesty was the biggest contribution to demonstrating whether good quality discipline helps to lead to more desirable behaviour. The Kay Skelton debacle certainly showed that failure to impose discipline can lead to extended abuse and bad behaviour.  The bad behaviour got worse and worse, until it was so destructive, that even the "unwilling to see evidence" had to face the reality of what was being done to this poor child. 

I suggest that it also hints that if judges did their job properly, then children would be far better protected from abuse and abduction. 

Evidence is valuable, for protecting children and justice.

Cheers, MurrayBacon.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree Jim.<br />
I hate it when people try to manipulate or damage other people&#8217;s relationships (apart from protecting innocent children).</p>
<p>Good parents want their children to get the best that both parents can offer and most mothers and fathers are like this.  </p>
<p>Only insecure fathers or mothers try to block access of their children to the other parent.  Usually these parents are also lacking parenting skills, as well as confidence.</p>
<blockquote><p>We should honour them if they are good Parents which they can’t do unless they honour the man who gave his essence as an Equal Parent. Residing together or not</p></blockquote>
<p>It is scary that the familycaught support these (mainly 85%) mothers, who block access to the other parent.  In their jealousy of the relationship between their child and their spouse, they are prepared to vandalise the other parent&#8217;s relationship.  </p>
<p>It appears the the familycaught are so bent on supporting custodial parents (or just milking their customers until dry), that they neglect to carefully weigh the evidence and take proper care of the children.</p>
<p>A few judges in UK and USA will reverse custody, in these parental alienation situations.  I believe it has happened in NZ, a very very small number of times. Constructive action, taken early, has a better chance to restore a sharing relationship, than supporting the abusive parent (but is less profitable for the assorted legal workers). </p>
<p>Example published by Judge Boshier (but now hidden again!):<br />
Kay Skelton abused access orders repeatedly, through several familycaught orders.  While the familycaught continued to support her breaches of familycaught orders, she continued to escalate the degree of breach.  She showed clearly that the familycaught judges are just monkeys, well dressed. Maybe, to be polite, I could call them clowns?</p>
<p>It is interesting that Judge Boshier&#8217;s honesty, was later declared to be in breach of the law!  This honesty was the biggest contribution to demonstrating whether good quality discipline helps to lead to more desirable behaviour. The Kay Skelton debacle certainly showed that failure to impose discipline can lead to extended abuse and bad behaviour.  The bad behaviour got worse and worse, until it was so destructive, that even the &#8220;unwilling to see evidence&#8221; had to face the reality of what was being done to this poor child. </p>
<p>I suggest that it also hints that if judges did their job properly, then children would be far better protected from abuse and abduction. </p>
<p>Evidence is valuable, for protecting children and justice.</p>
<p>Cheers, MurrayBacon.</p>
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		<title>By: martin swash</title>
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		<dc:creator>martin swash</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Sep 2008 10:20:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am sure that most men having experienced what we have , are doing small things about our situation, Jim, we need actions on all fronts. Writing to MPs, to me , will never achieve anything, neither will peaceful protests.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am sure that most men having experienced what we have , are doing small things about our situation, Jim, we need actions on all fronts. Writing to MPs, to me , will never achieve anything, neither will peaceful protests.</p>
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		<title>By: Jim Bailey</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jim Bailey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Sep 2008 05:58:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My sentiments for my Daughters MUM are similar to those you write - We have been good fiends for most of our now 37 years.

In fact without her love and support in the lonely times and the hard fights to give my Son his Father I probably would have given up.

A few in the so called Mens Movement helped heaps and still do. But most mutter while the Govt of the day screwed me and 100's of other Dads. Not even bothering to write letters to MP's about the sexist regrime deep within bureacracy as we have discovered it. 

However as for my Sons Mother - No Way - She has used my Son, Me, NZLaw and NZSocial Policy, her Religious mates to the max and so far got clean away with it . Even praised

I don't beleive we should honour women for the God given gift they have to bear Children

We should honour them if they are good Parents which they can't do unless they honour the man who gave his essence as an Equal Parent. Residing together or not

Onward - Jim</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My sentiments for my Daughters MUM are similar to those you write - We have been good fiends for most of our now 37 years.</p>
<p>In fact without her love and support in the lonely times and the hard fights to give my Son his Father I probably would have given up.</p>
<p>A few in the so called Mens Movement helped heaps and still do. But most mutter while the Govt of the day screwed me and 100&#8217;s of other Dads. Not even bothering to write letters to MP&#8217;s about the sexist regrime deep within bureacracy as we have discovered it. </p>
<p>However as for my Sons Mother - No Way - She has used my Son, Me, NZLaw and NZSocial Policy, her Religious mates to the max and so far got clean away with it . Even praised</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t beleive we should honour women for the God given gift they have to bear Children</p>
<p>We should honour them if they are good Parents which they can&#8217;t do unless they honour the man who gave his essence as an Equal Parent. Residing together or not</p>
<p>Onward - Jim</p>
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		<title>By: AnnieB</title>
		<link>http://menz.org.nz/2008/my-fathers-day/#comment-183440</link>
		<dc:creator>AnnieB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Sep 2008 02:02:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That's so lovely, hang in there and don't give up.  My partner kept at it and now has 50/50 parenting with his little girl and to see them together is absolutely heart-warming.  Little girls love their Dads - I hope one day she gets to spend the time with you, you each deserve.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s so lovely, hang in there and don&#8217;t give up.  My partner kept at it and now has 50/50 parenting with his little girl and to see them together is absolutely heart-warming.  Little girls love their Dads - I hope one day she gets to spend the time with you, you each deserve.</p>
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