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		<title>By: allan Harvey</title>
		<link>http://menz.org.nz/2008/reply-to-uf-gender-affairs-and-voting/#comment-183963</link>
		<dc:creator>allan Harvey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Sep 2008 23:40:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Read 
Legalising Misandry From Public Shame to Systemic Discrimination Against Men by Paul Nathanson and Katherine Young Published 2006 by McGill-Queens University Press.
If you live in Wel;lington you can borrow my copy.  650 pages.
They have a second volume which is about how the m,edia have perpetuated things even further.  I don't own a copy of that one.
Allan</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Read<br />
Legalising Misandry From Public Shame to Systemic Discrimination Against Men by Paul Nathanson and Katherine Young Published 2006 by McGill-Queens University Press.<br />
If you live in Wel;lington you can borrow my copy.  650 pages.<br />
They have a second volume which is about how the m,edia have perpetuated things even further.  I don&#8217;t own a copy of that one.<br />
Allan</p>
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		<title>By: Eric</title>
		<link>http://menz.org.nz/2008/reply-to-uf-gender-affairs-and-voting/#comment-183962</link>
		<dc:creator>Eric</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Sep 2008 23:15:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What I would like to know is why women who are still a numerical minority in Parliament have been so successful in getting male MP's to vote for feminist causes. It ought to be a piece of cake to vote the MWA out of existence. It is time men acted as brothers. We need a strong brotherhood to oppose the sisterhood. I sometimes wonder whether there is a lack of 'alpha' males in NZ. Maybe they all end up overseas. We should not try to appease the feminists. Feminisation of NZ society has been disasterous for social cohesion. Our society is simply falling apart and a proper analysis would have to lay most of the blame at feminism. Anybody who can remember back to the 50's will remember a time when crime was virtually non-existant, and divorce was extremely rare. In fact you could not file for divorce unless you had grounds to do so, such as adultery.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What I would like to know is why women who are still a numerical minority in Parliament have been so successful in getting male MP&#8217;s to vote for feminist causes. It ought to be a piece of cake to vote the MWA out of existence. It is time men acted as brothers. We need a strong brotherhood to oppose the sisterhood. I sometimes wonder whether there is a lack of &#8216;alpha&#8217; males in NZ. Maybe they all end up overseas. We should not try to appease the feminists. Feminisation of NZ society has been disasterous for social cohesion. Our society is simply falling apart and a proper analysis would have to lay most of the blame at feminism. Anybody who can remember back to the 50&#8217;s will remember a time when crime was virtually non-existant, and divorce was extremely rare. In fact you could not file for divorce unless you had grounds to do so, such as adultery.</p>
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		<title>By: M Swash</title>
		<link>http://menz.org.nz/2008/reply-to-uf-gender-affairs-and-voting/#comment-183961</link>
		<dc:creator>M Swash</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Sep 2008 23:04:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Monty Python's LIFE OF BRIAN

the film pokes fun at politically revolutionary groups (LIKE FATHERS' GROUPS - writer), who seem to share a common cause (in the film, they are all opposing the Roman occupation of Judea) but are in fact more interested in the easier task of being at odds with one another, constantly engaged in futile disputes about which group has the most charisma, infamy and "ideological purity". They harangue their 'rivals' with cries of "splitters". Examples include; The Judean People's Front, The Peoples' Front of Judea, the Judean Popular People's Front and the Popular Front of Judea</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Monty Python&#8217;s LIFE OF BRIAN</p>
<p>the film pokes fun at politically revolutionary groups (LIKE FATHERS&#8217; GROUPS - writer), who seem to share a common cause (in the film, they are all opposing the Roman occupation of Judea) but are in fact more interested in the easier task of being at odds with one another, constantly engaged in futile disputes about which group has the most charisma, infamy and &#8220;ideological purity&#8221;. They harangue their &#8216;rivals&#8217; with cries of &#8220;splitters&#8221;. Examples include; The Judean People&#8217;s Front, The Peoples&#8217; Front of Judea, the Judean Popular People&#8217;s Front and the Popular Front of Judea</p>
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		<title>By: Jim Bailey</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jim Bailey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Sep 2008 22:51:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Allan,

Your lack of attention to detail makes me suspect your ablity as a so called Sage

Your mates in the LABOUR camp have blocked my HandsOnEqualParenting in all but time

Onward - Jim</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Allan,</p>
<p>Your lack of attention to detail makes me suspect your ablity as a so called Sage</p>
<p>Your mates in the LABOUR camp have blocked my HandsOnEqualParenting in all but time</p>
<p>Onward - Jim</p>
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		<title>By: M Swash</title>
		<link>http://menz.org.nz/2008/reply-to-uf-gender-affairs-and-voting/#comment-183957</link>
		<dc:creator>M Swash</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Sep 2008 21:51:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Reg: If you want to join the People's Front of Judea, you have to really hate the Romans.
Brian: I do!
Reg: Oh yeah, how much?
Brian: A lot!
Reg: Right, you're in. 



Suicide Squad Leader: We are the Judean People's Front crack suicide squad! Suicide squad, attack!
[they all stab themselves]
Suicide Squad Leader: That showed 'em, huh? 


Brian: Excuse me. Are you the Judean People's Front?
Reg: Fuck off! We're the People's Front of Judea
REG:The only people we hate more than the Romans are the fucking Judean People's Front.



Reg: All right, but apart from the sanitation, medicine, education, wine, public order, irrigation, roads, the fresh water system and public health, what have the Romans ever done for us?
Attendee: Brought peace?
Reg: Oh, peace - shut up!
Reg: There is not one of us who would not gladly suffer death to rid this country of the Romans once and for all.
Dissenter: Uh, well, one.
Reg: Oh, yeah, yeah, there's one. But otherwise, we're solid.


"Reg, our glorious leader and founder of the P.F.J., will be coordinating consultant at the drain head, though he himself will not be taking part in any terrorist action, as he has a bad back."

"BRIAN: We mustn't fight each other! Surely we should be united against the common enemy!

EVERYONE: The Judean People's Front?!

BRIAN: No, no! The Romans! "


AND FINALLY   ------------------------- &gt;

REG: They've bled us white, the bastards. They've taken everything we had, and not just from us, from our fathers, and from our fathers' fathers. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Reg: If you want to join the People&#8217;s Front of Judea, you have to really hate the Romans.<br />
Brian: I do!<br />
Reg: Oh yeah, how much?<br />
Brian: A lot!<br />
Reg: Right, you&#8217;re in. </p>
<p>Suicide Squad Leader: We are the Judean People&#8217;s Front crack suicide squad! Suicide squad, attack!<br />
[they all stab themselves]<br />
Suicide Squad Leader: That showed &#8216;em, huh? </p>
<p>Brian: Excuse me. Are you the Judean People&#8217;s Front?<br />
Reg: Fuck off! We&#8217;re the People&#8217;s Front of Judea<br />
REG:The only people we hate more than the Romans are the fucking Judean People&#8217;s Front.</p>
<p>Reg: All right, but apart from the sanitation, medicine, education, wine, public order, irrigation, roads, the fresh water system and public health, what have the Romans ever done for us?<br />
Attendee: Brought peace?<br />
Reg: Oh, peace - shut up!<br />
Reg: There is not one of us who would not gladly suffer death to rid this country of the Romans once and for all.<br />
Dissenter: Uh, well, one.<br />
Reg: Oh, yeah, yeah, there&#8217;s one. But otherwise, we&#8217;re solid.</p>
<p>&#8220;Reg, our glorious leader and founder of the P.F.J., will be coordinating consultant at the drain head, though he himself will not be taking part in any terrorist action, as he has a bad back.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;BRIAN: We mustn&#8217;t fight each other! Surely we should be united against the common enemy!</p>
<p>EVERYONE: The Judean People&#8217;s Front?!</p>
<p>BRIAN: No, no! The Romans! &#8221;</p>
<p>AND FINALLY   &#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;- ></p>
<p>REG: They&#8217;ve bled us white, the bastards. They&#8217;ve taken everything we had, and not just from us, from our fathers, and from our fathers&#8217; fathers.</p>
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		<title>By: Scrap_The_CSA</title>
		<link>http://menz.org.nz/2008/reply-to-uf-gender-affairs-and-voting/#comment-183954</link>
		<dc:creator>Scrap_The_CSA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Sep 2008 19:28:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Doug,

To be fair Judy Turner supports Peter Dunne as he screws dads over as Minister of Child Tax.

Thats what United Failure have actually delivered in legislation,a more punitive Child Tax Regieme. Check the voting record.

Regards

Scrap</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Doug,</p>
<p>To be fair Judy Turner supports Peter Dunne as he screws dads over as Minister of Child Tax.</p>
<p>Thats what United Failure have actually delivered in legislation,a more punitive Child Tax Regieme. Check the voting record.</p>
<p>Regards</p>
<p>Scrap</p>
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		<title>By: Allan Harvey</title>
		<link>http://menz.org.nz/2008/reply-to-uf-gender-affairs-and-voting/#comment-183952</link>
		<dc:creator>Allan Harvey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Sep 2008 19:03:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jim,
You have deliberately closed yourself off from your own child.  You have told us all that he begged you to allow him to share his time with you.  You refused him that.
I may well accept that Mum, Dad and the Kids days are over (as you do as well). But I still have a very significant role in my own children's lives.  
There is no clever word smithing there.
Get off here, stop your destructive nonsense, walk your own talk.
Get on with parenting Javen as best you are able.  You were an Equal Hands On Parent.  You have given that up Jim.  No one else is to blame.
Not spin doctors, not politicians.  Look in the mirror man.
Parenting children is the real work we do.  That has to be our first task.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jim,<br />
You have deliberately closed yourself off from your own child.  You have told us all that he begged you to allow him to share his time with you.  You refused him that.<br />
I may well accept that Mum, Dad and the Kids days are over (as you do as well). But I still have a very significant role in my own children&#8217;s lives.<br />
There is no clever word smithing there.<br />
Get off here, stop your destructive nonsense, walk your own talk.<br />
Get on with parenting Javen as best you are able.  You were an Equal Hands On Parent.  You have given that up Jim.  No one else is to blame.<br />
Not spin doctors, not politicians.  Look in the mirror man.<br />
Parenting children is the real work we do.  That has to be our first task.</p>
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		<title>By: Jim Bailey</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jim Bailey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Sep 2008 11:49:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The days of Mum, Dad and the Kids have been cleverly destroyed

To accept the result of the destruction as the status quo is to drive Law and Social Policy further away from Mum, Dad and the Kids

What destructive word smiting your last sentence be.

The sentence shows clearly how deeply you have succumbed to Spin Doctored nonsense by those intent on destroying Mum, Dad and the Kids

Onward - Jim</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The days of Mum, Dad and the Kids have been cleverly destroyed</p>
<p>To accept the result of the destruction as the status quo is to drive Law and Social Policy further away from Mum, Dad and the Kids</p>
<p>What destructive word smiting your last sentence be.</p>
<p>The sentence shows clearly how deeply you have succumbed to Spin Doctored nonsense by those intent on destroying Mum, Dad and the Kids</p>
<p>Onward - Jim</p>
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		<title>By: more accurately</title>
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		<dc:creator>more accurately</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Sep 2008 11:36:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jim,
Perhaps you need to decribe what you mean by Family?
Start with Javen if you like.
The days when Family meant Mum, Dad and kids with lots of Family support are unfortunately gone.  The kids I teach about 50% come from non-nuclear arangements.  If there is only one parent in their lives that is very sad.  I totally agree that the best parent after seperation is Both parents.
How does anything I say above weaken that relationship.
Unfortunately your paranoia is showing again and you have again resorted to playing the man rather than debating the issues.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jim,<br />
Perhaps you need to decribe what you mean by Family?<br />
Start with Javen if you like.<br />
The days when Family meant Mum, Dad and kids with lots of Family support are unfortunately gone.  The kids I teach about 50% come from non-nuclear arangements.  If there is only one parent in their lives that is very sad.  I totally agree that the best parent after seperation is Both parents.<br />
How does anything I say above weaken that relationship.<br />
Unfortunately your paranoia is showing again and you have again resorted to playing the man rather than debating the issues.</p>
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		<title>By: Jim Bailey</title>
		<link>http://menz.org.nz/2008/reply-to-uf-gender-affairs-and-voting/#comment-183948</link>
		<dc:creator>Jim Bailey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Sep 2008 11:25:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Re # 8

I see almost all that you have said as weakening the relationship a Child has with BOTH Parents - Nice words but words of a sort that come from those intent on destroying Family - Charming but deadly - Onward and wary of your ilk - Jim</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re # 8</p>
<p>I see almost all that you have said as weakening the relationship a Child has with BOTH Parents - Nice words but words of a sort that come from those intent on destroying Family - Charming but deadly - Onward and wary of your ilk - Jim</p>
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