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	<title>Comments on: UnitedFuture pushing to reform family law</title>
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		<title>By: bull en a china shop</title>
		<link>http://menz.org.nz/2008/unitedfuture-pushing-to-reform-family-law/#comment-181387</link>
		<dc:creator>bull en a china shop</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Aug 2008 20:44:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>howabout a referendum to dissolve the family court ?

(bring down the berlin wall,  many a child, thy chief advocate in essence)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>howabout a referendum to dissolve the family court ?</p>
<p>(bring down the berlin wall,  many a child, thy chief advocate in essence)</p>
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		<title>By: bull en a china shop</title>
		<link>http://menz.org.nz/2008/unitedfuture-pushing-to-reform-family-law/#comment-181384</link>
		<dc:creator>bull en a china shop</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Aug 2008 20:28:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>BAN THE AFFIDAVIT and replace it with a W.O.F like form, the only purpose of an affidavit is to argue with the other party which is not what being a parent is about at all. THE FAMILY COURT IS A FAILED EXPERIMENT. THE FAMILY COURT IS A FAILED EXPERIMENT. THE FAMILY COURT IS A FAILED EXPERIMENT. THE FAMILY COURT IS A FAILED EXPERIMENT. THE FAMILY COURT IS A FAILED EXPERIMENT. THE FAMILY COURT IS A FAILED EXPERIMENT. THE FAMILY COURT IS A FAILED EXPERIMENT.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>BAN THE AFFIDAVIT and replace it with a W.O.F like form, the only purpose of an affidavit is to argue with the other party which is not what being a parent is about at all. THE FAMILY COURT IS A FAILED EXPERIMENT. THE FAMILY COURT IS A FAILED EXPERIMENT. THE FAMILY COURT IS A FAILED EXPERIMENT. THE FAMILY COURT IS A FAILED EXPERIMENT. THE FAMILY COURT IS A FAILED EXPERIMENT. THE FAMILY COURT IS A FAILED EXPERIMENT. THE FAMILY COURT IS A FAILED EXPERIMENT.</p>
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		<title>By: rosie</title>
		<link>http://menz.org.nz/2008/unitedfuture-pushing-to-reform-family-law/#comment-181286</link>
		<dc:creator>rosie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Aug 2008 06:25:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It's almost time for the next elections and United Future are concerned about the plight of fathers.
Yeah right.
They've had three years to do something.Why wait until now?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s almost time for the next elections and United Future are concerned about the plight of fathers.<br />
Yeah right.<br />
They&#8217;ve had three years to do something.Why wait until now?</p>
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		<title>By: Hans Laven</title>
		<link>http://menz.org.nz/2008/unitedfuture-pushing-to-reform-family-law/#comment-181280</link>
		<dc:creator>Hans Laven</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Aug 2008 23:05:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It seems no coincidence that this policy from the Dunne Party comes a week after the commencement of Dunne's persecution of alleged child tax defaulters (see Scrap's posting on 5 August entitled "United Future’s first step to arresting dads at the border").  The fact that this conveniently-timed policy is also hollow and designed to be ineffectual suggests it is mainly a damage control ploy to distract fathers from Dunne's major assault on their civil liberties, and to try to create a false impression that his party cares a damn about fathers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It seems no coincidence that this policy from the Dunne Party comes a week after the commencement of Dunne&#8217;s persecution of alleged child tax defaulters (see Scrap&#8217;s posting on 5 August entitled &#8220;United Future’s first step to arresting dads at the border&#8221;).  The fact that this conveniently-timed policy is also hollow and designed to be ineffectual suggests it is mainly a damage control ploy to distract fathers from Dunne&#8217;s major assault on their civil liberties, and to try to create a false impression that his party cares a damn about fathers.</p>
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		<title>By: Scrap_The_CSA</title>
		<link>http://menz.org.nz/2008/unitedfuture-pushing-to-reform-family-law/#comment-180538</link>
		<dc:creator>Scrap_The_CSA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Aug 2008 02:33:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;because I tell ya the situation in NZ (with regards to shared care and child support) couldnt get any worse for the dads or kids of this country!!&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Sorry to be a kill joy but it can get a lot worse - If National make the treasury benches......

Regards

Scrap</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>because I tell ya the situation in NZ (with regards to shared care and child support) couldnt get any worse for the dads or kids of this country!!</p></blockquote>
<p>Sorry to be a kill joy but it can get a lot worse - If National make the treasury benches&#8230;&#8230;</p>
<p>Regards</p>
<p>Scrap</p>
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		<title>By: Tigerseye</title>
		<link>http://menz.org.nz/2008/unitedfuture-pushing-to-reform-family-law/#comment-180518</link>
		<dc:creator>Tigerseye</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Aug 2008 01:28:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So they do read our emails and angry Menz forums... this is good news.  Lets keep making more noise!

This is the response I have been looking for - even if it is just to make themselves look good to the nation.  

This tells me that the eyes of the "Hive" are on us, it's no coincidence these figures have suddenly spring up in a members bill after appearing on this site a week or so ago.

Someone is watching and paying attention to our emails. 

Keep up the good work!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So they do read our emails and angry Menz forums&#8230; this is good news.  Lets keep making more noise!</p>
<p>This is the response I have been looking for - even if it is just to make themselves look good to the nation.  </p>
<p>This tells me that the eyes of the &#8220;Hive&#8221; are on us, it&#8217;s no coincidence these figures have suddenly spring up in a members bill after appearing on this site a week or so ago.</p>
<p>Someone is watching and paying attention to our emails. </p>
<p>Keep up the good work!</p>
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		<title>By: About time</title>
		<link>http://menz.org.nz/2008/unitedfuture-pushing-to-reform-family-law/#comment-180515</link>
		<dc:creator>About time</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Aug 2008 01:10:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks Alastair. I agree Scrap - the proof is always in the pudding!! No use holding our breath otherwise we might turn blue - but lets live in hope!! because I tell ya the situation in NZ (with regards to shared care and child support) couldnt get any worse for the dads or kids of this country!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Alastair. I agree Scrap - the proof is always in the pudding!! No use holding our breath otherwise we might turn blue - but lets live in hope!! because I tell ya the situation in NZ (with regards to shared care and child support) couldnt get any worse for the dads or kids of this country!!</p>
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		<title>By: Scrap_The_CSA</title>
		<link>http://menz.org.nz/2008/unitedfuture-pushing-to-reform-family-law/#comment-180508</link>
		<dc:creator>Scrap_The_CSA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Aug 2008 00:00:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Acid test is delivery and what have United Future delivered?

Look at the voting record of this party and dont be sucked in during election year!

Regards

Scrap</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Acid test is delivery and what have United Future delivered?</p>
<p>Look at the voting record of this party and dont be sucked in during election year!</p>
<p>Regards</p>
<p>Scrap</p>
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		<title>By: Alastair</title>
		<link>http://menz.org.nz/2008/unitedfuture-pushing-to-reform-family-law/#comment-180500</link>
		<dc:creator>Alastair</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Aug 2008 22:59:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Congratulations "About Time" A well worded letter. This is the type of letter that makes the recipient sit up and read, even though they may disagree.

Again, congrats. Please keep us posted n the response.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Congratulations &#8220;About Time&#8221; A well worded letter. This is the type of letter that makes the recipient sit up and read, even though they may disagree.</p>
<p>Again, congrats. Please keep us posted n the response.</p>
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		<title>By: About time</title>
		<link>http://menz.org.nz/2008/unitedfuture-pushing-to-reform-family-law/#comment-180497</link>
		<dc:creator>About time</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Aug 2008 22:15:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>An email to Judy Turner

Hi Judy
 
I have been reading a post on the Menz website
“UnitedFuture will introduce ’shared parenting’ as a default position for child custody arrangements in the family court,” announced family spokesperson Judy Turner.“Shared parenting is currently granted in only one in nine judgements by the Family Court, with sole custody given to only one parent in eight out of ten cases, which is an extremely unsatisfactory situation.“Shared parenting would mean that when both parents want custody, there will be a presumption that day-to-day care will be shared unless there are good reasons why it should not be.

I applaud you for taking the time to look at this archaic system we have in NZ for our families with regards to shared parenting and child support.

I'm not sure if you realise how many ears are listening to you (1000's on the menz website) and votes you will receive from families who have been in constant battle with the family court and IRD for many years. We all know there are 'drop kick' parents out there who make no effort to see their children HOWEVER there are many dads who wants to participate in their kids lives a lot more than they are currently allowed - but the truth of the matter is if they had 50/50 care then the meal ticket ($$$$) to the ex wife's/partners is cut (so the ex wifes defy shared care)....this leads the men into family court WHO usually cannot afford expensive lawyers bills just so they can have relationship with their children. If there is no violence involved then why cant it be a 50/50 shared care system on separation. 

As far as child support goes we battled with family court for 2 yrs to obtain 50/50 of my step son (which we are thoroughly enjoying the time with him) - however we are still required to pay my husband's ex partner child support for him ($500 a month - because of my husbands income) and she pays us a minimal $100 (because she chooses to work part time and receives a generous Working for Families top up). The system with 50/50 care should stop any child support being passed between parents and the costs of the child are of those who have them for that week or time. Child support formulas need to be overhauled - as the formula should be on what's a child costs are not on what the liable parent earns!

So well done Judy!! You've got many people listening and waiting to see the outcome.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>An email to Judy Turner</p>
<p>Hi Judy</p>
<p>I have been reading a post on the Menz website<br />
“UnitedFuture will introduce ’shared parenting’ as a default position for child custody arrangements in the family court,” announced family spokesperson Judy Turner.“Shared parenting is currently granted in only one in nine judgements by the Family Court, with sole custody given to only one parent in eight out of ten cases, which is an extremely unsatisfactory situation.“Shared parenting would mean that when both parents want custody, there will be a presumption that day-to-day care will be shared unless there are good reasons why it should not be.</p>
<p>I applaud you for taking the time to look at this archaic system we have in NZ for our families with regards to shared parenting and child support.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not sure if you realise how many ears are listening to you (1000&#8217;s on the menz website) and votes you will receive from families who have been in constant battle with the family court and IRD for many years. We all know there are &#8216;drop kick&#8217; parents out there who make no effort to see their children HOWEVER there are many dads who wants to participate in their kids lives a lot more than they are currently allowed - but the truth of the matter is if they had 50/50 care then the meal ticket ($$$$) to the ex wife&#8217;s/partners is cut (so the ex wifes defy shared care)&#8230;.this leads the men into family court WHO usually cannot afford expensive lawyers bills just so they can have relationship with their children. If there is no violence involved then why cant it be a 50/50 shared care system on separation. </p>
<p>As far as child support goes we battled with family court for 2 yrs to obtain 50/50 of my step son (which we are thoroughly enjoying the time with him) - however we are still required to pay my husband&#8217;s ex partner child support for him ($500 a month - because of my husbands income) and she pays us a minimal $100 (because she chooses to work part time and receives a generous Working for Families top up). The system with 50/50 care should stop any child support being passed between parents and the costs of the child are of those who have them for that week or time. Child support formulas need to be overhauled - as the formula should be on what&#8217;s a child costs are not on what the liable parent earns!</p>
<p>So well done Judy!! You&#8217;ve got many people listening and waiting to see the outcome.</p>
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