Comments on: What is the Families comission up to? http://menz.org.nz/2008/what-is-the-families-comission-up-to/ - promoting a clearer understanding of men's experience - Thu, 4 Dec 2008 02:30:22 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6.5 By: whanga http://menz.org.nz/2008/what-is-the-families-comission-up-to/#comment-165165 whanga Tue, 17 Jun 2008 12:58:33 +0000 http://menz.org.nz/2008/what-is-the-families-comission-up-to/#comment-165165 Imagine it is 2012.Robbie Deans is still coaching Australia who beat South Africa in the World Cup Final last year.Peter Dunne the Deputy Prime Minister has just held a Press Conference with Judith Collins the Minister for Child Tax. They have just announced that the 10,000th man with Child Tax debts over $1000 has been sent to Child Tax Prison and been forced to work until the debt was paid off. They were not allowed to pass go and no correspondence was entered into. They have also announced that all be prevented from leaving the country or entering any golf club or skifield if any Child Tax debt whatsoever is owing (disputed or otherwise)and will also have this debt listed on their credit reports. There are now a total of 37,324 Child Tax Debtors living outside NZ and Australia many of whom who escaped prior to the establishment of the Child Tax Regime in late 2008. Teenage Suicide especially among males has reached chronic proportions.Vasectomy operations are up 17% on an already record year in 2011. Imagine it is 2012.Robbie Deans is still coaching Australia who beat South Africa in the World Cup Final last year.Peter Dunne the Deputy Prime Minister has just held a Press Conference with Judith Collins the Minister for Child Tax.
They have just announced that the 10,000th man with Child Tax debts over $1000 has been sent to Child Tax Prison and been forced to work until the debt was paid off.
They were not allowed to pass go and no correspondence was entered into.
They have also announced that all be prevented from leaving the country or entering any golf club or skifield if any Child Tax debt whatsoever is owing (disputed or otherwise)and will also have this debt listed on their credit reports.
There are now a total of 37,324 Child Tax Debtors living outside NZ and Australia many of whom who escaped prior to the establishment of the Child Tax Regime in late 2008.
Teenage Suicide especially among males has reached chronic proportions.Vasectomy operations are up 17% on an already record year in 2011.

]]> By: uktuatara http://menz.org.nz/2008/what-is-the-families-comission-up-to/#comment-165146 uktuatara Tue, 17 Jun 2008 12:21:04 +0000 http://menz.org.nz/2008/what-is-the-families-comission-up-to/#comment-165146 Is there a checklist for do's and don'ts of an administrative review, I have read through everything I can soak up here at MENZ but if there's a simple couple of pages of info that might steer me in the right direction, I would love to get my hanbs on it! Is there a checklist for do’s and don’ts of an administrative review, I have read through everything I can soak up here at MENZ but if there’s a simple couple of pages of info that might steer me in the right direction, I would love to get my hanbs on it!

]]> By: Daniel http://menz.org.nz/2008/what-is-the-families-comission-up-to/#comment-151086 Daniel Sat, 05 Apr 2008 05:52:35 +0000 http://menz.org.nz/2008/what-is-the-families-comission-up-to/#comment-151086 Hi sounds familiar. IRD says to me that there is no possible way to stop child support payments either way. The mother of my boy and i pay the same amount to each other each month (we have shared care her havin 4 nights me havin 3) which neither of us actually see because she is on a benefit and her payment doesn't come to me its just reduces mine to equal hers. What a joke. Revenue collecting at its worst! All i can i say is harass them. never stop harassing them. Make their lives as close to how bad they make ours as possible Hi

sounds familiar. IRD says to me that there is no possible way to stop child support payments either way. The mother of my boy and i pay the same amount to each other each month (we have shared care her havin 4 nights me havin 3) which neither of us actually see because she is on a benefit and her payment doesn’t come to me its just reduces mine to equal hers. What a joke. Revenue collecting at its worst! All i can i say is harass them. never stop harassing them. Make their lives as close to how bad they make ours as possible

]]> By: Scrap_The_CSA http://menz.org.nz/2008/what-is-the-families-comission-up-to/#comment-147966 Scrap_The_CSA Fri, 14 Mar 2008 06:39:27 +0000 http://menz.org.nz/2008/what-is-the-families-comission-up-to/#comment-147966 John, If if Curry and his staff had even attempted to consult with paying parent stakeholders I would have known. The only consultation I am aware of has been with IRD. The RFP is completely discoverable under the OIA)Offical Information Act) as are responses to it and Mr Curry and his staff know this - In the RFP they advise plastering responses with commercial in confidence to try and prevent discovery under the OIA. The Families Commission has made a fundamental research stuff up with this RFP and, in light of this,the credibility of the commission to conduct unbiased research is in question. The problem Mr Curry has is that they never expected to be "caught with their pants down" and he does not like being sprung. THe credibility of the commission is in tatters and hes rushing to re-spin the commissions position. TO MR CURRY If it looks like a duck and talks like a duck and quacks like a duck its not a seagull. John,

If if Curry and his staff had even attempted to consult with paying parent stakeholders I would have known.

The only consultation I am aware of has been with IRD.

The RFP is completely discoverable under the OIA)Offical Information Act) as are responses to it and
Mr Curry and his staff know this - In the RFP they advise plastering responses with commercial in confidence to try and prevent discovery under the OIA.

The Families Commission has made a fundamental research stuff up with this RFP and, in light of this,the credibility of the commission to conduct unbiased research is in question.

The problem Mr Curry has is that they never expected to be “caught with their pants down” and he does not like being sprung.

THe credibility of the commission is in tatters and hes rushing to re-spin the commissions position.

TO MR CURRY

If it looks like a duck and talks like a duck and quacks like a duck its not a seagull.

]]> By: JohnP http://menz.org.nz/2008/what-is-the-families-comission-up-to/#comment-147953 JohnP Fri, 14 Mar 2008 04:59:20 +0000 http://menz.org.nz/2008/what-is-the-families-comission-up-to/#comment-147953 I received a phone call from Families Commission chief executive Paul Curry this morning, asking me to update the information published on MENZ about this research, particularly the contact details. I have done so in the posting above, but left the RFP document available since this is what Scrap is discussing. I note that on page 18 the document says: <blockquote>7.7 Confidentiality This RFP, and the information supplied by the Families Commission (either itself or through its consultants or advisors) in connection with this RFP, is confidential. You must not release or disclose any of the information to any other person (other than your employees or advisors) without the prior written consent of the Families Commission.</blockquote> Why the secrecy I wonder? I note that I can find no mention of this project <a href="http://www.nzfamilies.org.nz/research/our_research.php" rel="nofollow">on their website</a>. The RFP also states: <blockquote>The award of this RFP will also be published on the Contracts Awarded page of the Families Commission website. </blockquote> This page does not appear to exist. I have invited Mr Curry and/or his staff to contribute to this discussion if they feel anything needs to be clarified or corrected. I received a phone call from Families Commission chief executive Paul Curry this morning, asking me to update the information published on MENZ about this research, particularly the contact details. I have done so in the posting above, but left the RFP document available since this is what Scrap is discussing.

I note that on page 18 the document says:

7.7 Confidentiality
This RFP, and the information supplied by the Families Commission (either itself or through its consultants or advisors) in connection with this RFP, is confidential. You must not release or disclose any of the information to any other person (other than your employees or advisors) without the prior written consent of the Families Commission.

Why the secrecy I wonder? I note that I can find no mention of this project on their website. The RFP also states:

The award of this RFP will also be published on the Contracts Awarded page of the Families Commission website.

This page does not appear to exist.

I have invited Mr Curry and/or his staff to contribute to this discussion if they feel anything needs to be clarified or corrected.

]]> By: Bevan Berg http://menz.org.nz/2008/what-is-the-families-comission-up-to/#comment-147899 Bevan Berg Thu, 13 Mar 2008 19:29:32 +0000 http://menz.org.nz/2008/what-is-the-families-comission-up-to/#comment-147899 <blockquote>If you’re a high income separated father Collins is after a big chunk of your pay packet, regardless of how much you support your children. She is the sharp end of the high flying girls club. Men you have been warned. You will get what you vote for.</blockquote> See Press Release Collins Spear Tackles Families Commission at www.republicans.org.nz

If you’re a high income separated father Collins is after a big chunk of your pay packet, regardless of how much you support your children. She is the sharp end of the high flying girls club. Men you have been warned. You will get what you vote for.

See Press Release Collins Spear Tackles Families Commission at http://www.republicans.org.nz

]]> By: Hans Laven http://menz.org.nz/2008/what-is-the-families-comission-up-to/#comment-147781 Hans Laven Wed, 12 Mar 2008 21:33:27 +0000 http://menz.org.nz/2008/what-is-the-families-comission-up-to/#comment-147781 I will try to make a submission on this to the Families Commission, even knowing that worm-man Dunne will totally ignore anything that doesn't appease his feminist masters and that the Families Commission is little more than yet another branch of the Ministry of Women's Affairs. I will try to make a submission on this to the Families Commission, even knowing that worm-man Dunne will totally ignore anything that doesn’t appease his feminist masters and that the Families Commission is little more than yet another branch of the Ministry of Women’s Affairs.

]]> By: pomcat http://menz.org.nz/2008/what-is-the-families-comission-up-to/#comment-147776 pomcat Wed, 12 Mar 2008 21:01:46 +0000 http://menz.org.nz/2008/what-is-the-families-comission-up-to/#comment-147776 Karen, the IRD don't want to know about "normal" circumstances. We have studied their review pamphlet and there is nothing in there to cover the daylight robbery of those of us that have 50/50 shared care and are still expected to pay the ex. They don't care that both parents are actually Custodial parents, nor do they care that some of us have court orders in place stating every cost should be split 50/50. We have asked them the following question: How can you say that our son only costs us $70 a month to look after and yet it costs his mother $210 per month? Karen, the IRD don’t want to know about “normal” circumstances. We have studied their review pamphlet and there is nothing in there to cover the daylight robbery of those of us that have 50/50 shared care and are still expected to pay the ex. They don’t care that both parents are actually Custodial parents, nor do they care that some of us have court orders in place stating every cost should be split 50/50.
We have asked them the following question:
How can you say that our son only costs us $70 a month to look after and yet it costs his mother $210 per month?

]]> By: pomcat http://menz.org.nz/2008/what-is-the-families-comission-up-to/#comment-147774 pomcat Wed, 12 Mar 2008 20:52:25 +0000 http://menz.org.nz/2008/what-is-the-families-comission-up-to/#comment-147774 Morris, I don't know how the IRD can say that they've never heard of this situation before. What utter BS. We have written several times over the years and made a complaint to their complaints department. I am pretty sure that many others must also have voiced there concerns too. We have been told that once the ex starts work things will change. Well, they haven't. She gets the choice as to whether she wants to continue claiming through the IRD, we don't. She knows that she can still get money from us, so will of course continue claiming through the IRD. Should she start earning more than us and have to start paying us, I am sure that she will exercise her right to say that she no longer wishes to go through the IRD, we won't be given the option. I will be emailing very soon to get my opinions across. Someone has to start listening to us soon. Morris, I don’t know how the IRD can say that they’ve never heard of this situation before. What utter BS. We have written several times over the years and made a complaint to their complaints department. I am pretty sure that many others must also have voiced there concerns too.
We have been told that once the ex starts work things will change. Well, they haven’t. She gets the choice as to whether she wants to continue claiming through the IRD, we don’t. She knows that she can still get money from us, so will of course continue claiming through the IRD. Should she start earning more than us and have to start paying us, I am sure that she will exercise her right to say that she no longer wishes to go through the IRD, we won’t be given the option.
I will be emailing very soon to get my opinions across. Someone has to start listening to us soon.

]]> By: Morris Lindsay http://menz.org.nz/2008/what-is-the-families-comission-up-to/#comment-147685 Morris Lindsay Wed, 12 Mar 2008 07:44:45 +0000 http://menz.org.nz/2008/what-is-the-families-comission-up-to/#comment-147685 Thanks Scrap I will get back to you on my days off...working 12 hr shifts at the moment. Thanks Scrap I will get back to you on my days off…working 12 hr shifts at the moment.

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