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		<title>By: gibbs</title>
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		<dc:creator>gibbs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Jan 2010 11:53:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>can anyone tell me if its normal to be summounds  for missing one day of a one on one 12 week d.v program ive done 4 sessions feel like im being harassed by the christchurch family court aye only missed one day for fuck sake</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>can anyone tell me if its normal to be summounds  for missing one day of a one on one 12 week d.v program ive done 4 sessions feel like im being harassed by the christchurch family court aye only missed one day for fuck sake</p>
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		<title>By: martin swash</title>
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		<dc:creator>martin swash</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Jan 2010 15:58:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>http://euro-police.noblogs.org/post/2010/01/04/nz-s-cyber-spies-win-new-powers

New NZ law allowing NZ government to spy on Emails, Phones, everything ! If it is the same as England, these new rules will be used by councils to monitor bins and police to minitor what they want to. Once i worked at a national telecom company (not NZ) and there was a cop selling X directory addresses that he obtained from emergency services database (the only one that has X Directory listings). Be very afraid !</description>
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<p>New NZ law allowing NZ government to spy on Emails, Phones, everything ! If it is the same as England, these new rules will be used by councils to monitor bins and police to minitor what they want to. Once i worked at a national telecom company (not NZ) and there was a cop selling X directory addresses that he obtained from emergency services database (the only one that has X Directory listings). Be very afraid !</p>
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		<title>By: Kiwi in. Space</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kiwi in. Space</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Jan 2010 13:11:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I found the article by Dr Tara very revealing , I would urge all men who have had abusive women in their lives to read it ( link above). I think once you recognize yourself , this article will give you strength. Most men will only realise at the end of the relationship with such a woman but he will never make the same mistake . Thanks to Julie ! This has given me insight and strength</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I found the article by Dr Tara very revealing , I would urge all men who have had abusive women in their lives to read it ( link above). I think once you recognize yourself , this article will give you strength. Most men will only realise at the end of the relationship with such a woman but he will never make the same mistake . Thanks to Julie ! This has given me insight and strength</p>
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		<title>By: SicKofNZ</title>
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		<dc:creator>SicKofNZ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Nov 2009 07:34:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I viewed an interesting experiment where members of the public walked past a woman who was being violent towards a man and their reactions were videoed. Although this experiment was conducted in the USA it could well have taken place here and with similar results.

&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LlFAd4YdQks&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Reaction to Women Abusing Men in Public&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I viewed an interesting experiment where members of the public walked past a woman who was being violent towards a man and their reactions were videoed. Although this experiment was conducted in the USA it could well have taken place here and with similar results.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LlFAd4YdQks" rel="nofollow">Reaction to Women Abusing Men in Public</a></p>
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		<title>By: julie</title>
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		<dc:creator>julie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Nov 2009 09:57:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for you comment SickofNZ. Men have a while to go before their pain will be recognised fully. The &lt;a href=&quot;http://menz.org.nz/2009/the-sad-ignorance-of-some-commentrs/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;commenter Zum&lt;/a&gt; spoke for feminists when she made her comment and yet I have met up with feminists whose hearts are even more black than hers when it comes to men. 

I add this bit of information from another Psychologist because it is very powerful. 

Paul Elam Says:
November 18th, 2009 at 5:16 am

&lt;blockquote&gt;As always, a top notch piece of work from Dr. Tara.

For my two cents worth there are a lot of things at play in scenarios where men remain with abusive women. There are factors that are radically different than the phenomena where women stay with abusive men.

I think a lot of it speaks to socialization, and transference of men’s dependency on their mothers for emotional survival. For most men in our culture, teaching them to “keep Mama happy” is central to their upbringing.

I know that in my home that there was no greater standard of worth than making my mother happy and very little for which failure to succeed met with such disapproval and condemnation. It was for me, and I suspect for most boys of my time, the mold in which our very identities were formed. And to a great degree, fathers and all other examples of masculine influence in our lives acted as “enforcers” for the “please Mama” mandate. There was no escape from it.

We all colluded to and coerced each other to deify mother. And mother helped with this, of course. And I witnessed the same in the households of my male peers. It was part and parcel to a culture of emotional incest, where boys are the “little men of the house” filling in Mama’s emotional vacuum in the absence of working fathers.

It was also, as male personalities developed, the singular source of “emotional existence” available.

I think that is attributable to the fact that as men we are socialized, often brutally, to channel all of our emotions through the primary female in our lives and to shut it down elsewhere. We are conditioned to be fearless, emotionless performers; tough as leather in the competitive world of men.

We “feel” only in the presence of women. We emotionally “exist” only under their purview. Only women can see our vulnerabilities…only women can validate and heal them.

And by that only women can give us a sense of complete worth.

Legions of men who through history lay mortally wounded on battlefields, calling desperately for their mothers, not for doctors, is a testament to this. As is the staggering disparity in suicide statistics between men and women who take that plunge during a breakup or divorce.

Women survive those things better because their realm of emotional support is more expansive, and because they haven’t been abused into measuring their worth by the opinion of one person. They have, in fact, been taught well to be the one in control of those situations and the people in them.

So I totally understand why it is difficult for so many men to take the emotional head on collision of a broken relationship, even when staying means the absolute certainty of further abuse.

But I do hope that more men get information like Dr. Tara is presenting here. In the end, the only thing that makes sense is to get out.

And it also makes sense to question how your emotional ties are formed and why during periods when you are single. Three years into a relationship guided by your unconscious desperation to be accepted by a woman at any cost is a hard time to make changes.

But early on, when you first catch yourself acting like a trained seal, saying or doing anything to get approval; to get love, is an excellent time to put it to a stop, even if it isn’t easy.

Sorry, I didn’t mean to usurp Dr. Tara’s thread here. It is just that this is a subject near and dear to my heart. I am very thankful we now have Dr. Tara here to reach into the world of men and shed light on this very important topic.&lt;/blockquote&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for you comment SickofNZ. Men have a while to go before their pain will be recognised fully. The <a href="http://menz.org.nz/2009/the-sad-ignorance-of-some-commentrs/" rel="nofollow">commenter Zum</a> spoke for feminists when she made her comment and yet I have met up with feminists whose hearts are even more black than hers when it comes to men. </p>
<p>I add this bit of information from another Psychologist because it is very powerful. </p>
<p>Paul Elam Says:<br />
November 18th, 2009 at 5:16 am</p>
<blockquote><p>As always, a top notch piece of work from Dr. Tara.</p>
<p>For my two cents worth there are a lot of things at play in scenarios where men remain with abusive women. There are factors that are radically different than the phenomena where women stay with abusive men.</p>
<p>I think a lot of it speaks to socialization, and transference of men’s dependency on their mothers for emotional survival. For most men in our culture, teaching them to “keep Mama happy” is central to their upbringing.</p>
<p>I know that in my home that there was no greater standard of worth than making my mother happy and very little for which failure to succeed met with such disapproval and condemnation. It was for me, and I suspect for most boys of my time, the mold in which our very identities were formed. And to a great degree, fathers and all other examples of masculine influence in our lives acted as “enforcers” for the “please Mama” mandate. There was no escape from it.</p>
<p>We all colluded to and coerced each other to deify mother. And mother helped with this, of course. And I witnessed the same in the households of my male peers. It was part and parcel to a culture of emotional incest, where boys are the “little men of the house” filling in Mama’s emotional vacuum in the absence of working fathers.</p>
<p>It was also, as male personalities developed, the singular source of “emotional existence” available.</p>
<p>I think that is attributable to the fact that as men we are socialized, often brutally, to channel all of our emotions through the primary female in our lives and to shut it down elsewhere. We are conditioned to be fearless, emotionless performers; tough as leather in the competitive world of men.</p>
<p>We “feel” only in the presence of women. We emotionally “exist” only under their purview. Only women can see our vulnerabilities…only women can validate and heal them.</p>
<p>And by that only women can give us a sense of complete worth.</p>
<p>Legions of men who through history lay mortally wounded on battlefields, calling desperately for their mothers, not for doctors, is a testament to this. As is the staggering disparity in suicide statistics between men and women who take that plunge during a breakup or divorce.</p>
<p>Women survive those things better because their realm of emotional support is more expansive, and because they haven’t been abused into measuring their worth by the opinion of one person. They have, in fact, been taught well to be the one in control of those situations and the people in them.</p>
<p>So I totally understand why it is difficult for so many men to take the emotional head on collision of a broken relationship, even when staying means the absolute certainty of further abuse.</p>
<p>But I do hope that more men get information like Dr. Tara is presenting here. In the end, the only thing that makes sense is to get out.</p>
<p>And it also makes sense to question how your emotional ties are formed and why during periods when you are single. Three years into a relationship guided by your unconscious desperation to be accepted by a woman at any cost is a hard time to make changes.</p>
<p>But early on, when you first catch yourself acting like a trained seal, saying or doing anything to get approval; to get love, is an excellent time to put it to a stop, even if it isn’t easy.</p>
<p>Sorry, I didn’t mean to usurp Dr. Tara’s thread here. It is just that this is a subject near and dear to my heart. I am very thankful we now have Dr. Tara here to reach into the world of men and shed light on this very important topic.</p></blockquote>
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		<title>By: SicKofNZ</title>
		<link>http://menz.org.nz/2009/battered-husband-who-snapped/comment-page-1/#comment-295596</link>
		<dc:creator>SicKofNZ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Nov 2009 07:07:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>An abuser is dead and a victim is imprisoned because NOBODY helped, NOBODY cared. Ideology blinded them. A taxpayer became a tax burden. A consumer became a corpse. Two families are no doubt devastated. Imagine the co$t.
&lt;strong&gt;Q.&lt;/strong&gt; What kind of society allows a human being to be abused to such an extent, regardless of their gender? &lt;strong&gt;A.&lt;/strong&gt; Not a very good one! 
I also wonder how much different the outcome would have been if abused men were supported in the same way that abused women are supported.
The Australian authorities should be sharing in HER death and HIS incarceration because of their inaction over domestic violence committed against MEN. SHAME on them!
I do hope this story prompts those with their heads up their arses to undergo a paradigm shift before the same occurs here in New Zealand.  Dreams are free I guess.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>An abuser is dead and a victim is imprisoned because NOBODY helped, NOBODY cared. Ideology blinded them. A taxpayer became a tax burden. A consumer became a corpse. Two families are no doubt devastated. Imagine the co$t.<br />
<strong>Q.</strong> What kind of society allows a human being to be abused to such an extent, regardless of their gender? <strong>A.</strong> Not a very good one!<br />
I also wonder how much different the outcome would have been if abused men were supported in the same way that abused women are supported.<br />
The Australian authorities should be sharing in HER death and HIS incarceration because of their inaction over domestic violence committed against MEN. SHAME on them!<br />
I do hope this story prompts those with their heads up their arses to undergo a paradigm shift before the same occurs here in New Zealand.  Dreams are free I guess.</p>
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