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		<title>By: skeptik</title>
		<link>http://menz.org.nz/2009/gender-disparities-in-democracy-are-fatal/comment-page-1/#comment-219659</link>
		<dc:creator>skeptik</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Feb 2009 15:09:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Philip,
I think you have a point in your last posting.
After all imagine if Women, Maori or another ethnic group got far less health funding than men.
There would be uproar.
But men are supposed to suck it up and sacrifice themselves for women.
Men really are the second sex in NZ and from what I&#039;ve seen of things in NZ most NZ women are either so self absorbed as to to be ignorant of this or happy to keep it that way. Some others, the really vile ones will even gloat about their privileged status.

The lasting impression I&#039;ve gotten is that if your male in NZ much of the population views you as shit and not worth spending money on.
It&#039;s a culture of hatred you unfortunately live and breath in during these kafkaesque post modern times.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Philip,<br />
I think you have a point in your last posting.<br />
After all imagine if Women, Maori or another ethnic group got far less health funding than men.<br />
There would be uproar.<br />
But men are supposed to suck it up and sacrifice themselves for women.<br />
Men really are the second sex in NZ and from what I&#8217;ve seen of things in NZ most NZ women are either so self absorbed as to to be ignorant of this or happy to keep it that way. Some others, the really vile ones will even gloat about their privileged status.</p>
<p>The lasting impression I&#8217;ve gotten is that if your male in NZ much of the population views you as shit and not worth spending money on.<br />
It&#8217;s a culture of hatred you unfortunately live and breath in during these kafkaesque post modern times.</p>
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		<title>By: Vince</title>
		<link>http://menz.org.nz/2009/gender-disparities-in-democracy-are-fatal/comment-page-1/#comment-219215</link>
		<dc:creator>Vince</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Feb 2009 22:37:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Alan, Fill one of those cards in for me too, just tick all those boxes. For once I aced something!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Alan, Fill one of those cards in for me too, just tick all those boxes. For once I aced something!!</p>
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		<title>By: Vince</title>
		<link>http://menz.org.nz/2009/gender-disparities-in-democracy-are-fatal/comment-page-1/#comment-219214</link>
		<dc:creator>Vince</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Feb 2009 22:31:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeh!! I thought about doing all of those things, but that was as far as I got, only thinking about it. I guess the whole point to my life has been to prove skeptik right, the proof being that people say that I look at least 10-15 years older than I actually am. And to top it all off I did one of those online health surveys a month or two ago and the result was an 85% chance of a heart attack in the next five years. So it turns out that my physical health age and my appearance age are in sync. Its the real time that is out. So that has to be good doesn&#039;t it?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeh!! I thought about doing all of those things, but that was as far as I got, only thinking about it. I guess the whole point to my life has been to prove skeptik right, the proof being that people say that I look at least 10-15 years older than I actually am. And to top it all off I did one of those online health surveys a month or two ago and the result was an 85% chance of a heart attack in the next five years. So it turns out that my physical health age and my appearance age are in sync. Its the real time that is out. So that has to be good doesn&#8217;t it?</p>
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		<title>By: Phillip</title>
		<link>http://menz.org.nz/2009/gender-disparities-in-democracy-are-fatal/comment-page-1/#comment-219166</link>
		<dc:creator>Phillip</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Feb 2009 21:09:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes,and other behaviours too. The point is the &#039;regime change&#039; the whole order of things. A male order must be restored as the female one is a disaster for ALL. 170,000 unemplyed just for starters. I fear worse, much, much worse is to come. We have kind of volunteered, unknowingly - via statistical genocide&#039; for the post modern equivalent of the black death which ushered in the dark ages. They too, at first, &#039;fealt wealthy&#039; - after all they just inherited Uncle Horaces farm did&#039;t they - and he was healthily working at maintaining it only up into last year, then he died of the plague - so we inherit a going concern. Violla! Prosperity is ours! (Sound familiar so far)...BUT... later having to maintain two situations with half the number of people both fell into ruin. The black Death Halved the population of Europe: did it usher in a golden age of wealth? or of wonderful rustic fuedalism favoured by eco-feminist-marxists? No, more like slavery, a struggle for existence. Europe did not recover for centuries.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes,and other behaviours too. The point is the &#8216;regime change&#8217; the whole order of things. A male order must be restored as the female one is a disaster for ALL. 170,000 unemplyed just for starters. I fear worse, much, much worse is to come. We have kind of volunteered, unknowingly &#8211; via statistical genocide&#8217; for the post modern equivalent of the black death which ushered in the dark ages. They too, at first, &#8216;fealt wealthy&#8217; &#8211; after all they just inherited Uncle Horaces farm did&#8217;t they &#8211; and he was healthily working at maintaining it only up into last year, then he died of the plague &#8211; so we inherit a going concern. Violla! Prosperity is ours! (Sound familiar so far)&#8230;BUT&#8230; later having to maintain two situations with half the number of people both fell into ruin. The black Death Halved the population of Europe: did it usher in a golden age of wealth? or of wonderful rustic fuedalism favoured by eco-feminist-marxists? No, more like slavery, a struggle for existence. Europe did not recover for centuries.</p>
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		<title>By: Phillip</title>
		<link>http://menz.org.nz/2009/gender-disparities-in-democracy-are-fatal/comment-page-1/#comment-219165</link>
		<dc:creator>Phillip</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Feb 2009 20:54:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>WHATEVER the mechanism tackling mens health is our TOP public health issue: a seven to one ratio in expenditure must become one to one in a democracy. It is Governments responsibility- or face a public retrospective tribunal- sometime in the future. I think sacking the top ten policy makers/ public health officials responsible for this criminal bias should be done. So that they never enter public service again.EVER.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>WHATEVER the mechanism tackling mens health is our TOP public health issue: a seven to one ratio in expenditure must become one to one in a democracy. It is Governments responsibility- or face a public retrospective tribunal- sometime in the future. I think sacking the top ten policy makers/ public health officials responsible for this criminal bias should be done. So that they never enter public service again.EVER.</p>
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		<title>By: Phillip</title>
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		<dc:creator>Phillip</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Feb 2009 20:49:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The stats are the most famous in New Zealand. Cabinet Minister John Tamahere lost his job quoting them and blowing the feminist whistle on the Clarke government.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The stats are the most famous in New Zealand. Cabinet Minister John Tamahere lost his job quoting them and blowing the feminist whistle on the Clarke government.</p>
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		<title>By: Phillip</title>
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		<dc:creator>Phillip</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Feb 2009 20:46:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In our universities Marxism and feminism are still very alive and well. Universities held onto romantic notions of Medieval Studies Departments for decades/ Centuries beyond any real relevance or interest, this must not be alloweed to happen. I demand this evil philosophy cease from public support right now. Feminism is killing men! It is evil. A statistical genocide of over four million absent New Zealanders can be firmly laid at its door. We must put such olicy makers on trial. They are responsible for all this economic meltdown. This meltdown has taken thirty years to develop. Twenty years ago I became interested and saw the bulk argument as something people would listen to. I wrote up to 50 handwritten letters a week for years to the newspapers, many were published. I varied each one. They were handwritten so that they would be unique - not photocopied - so editors would publish them. I was successfull in that but socialist engineering continued. We predicted a massive population depredation causing an economic crisis. The Soviet Union is one example of that, Korea and Japan Another. Also Argentina and other places. China and India we saw along with Brazil as having the best future: we were right.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In our universities Marxism and feminism are still very alive and well. Universities held onto romantic notions of Medieval Studies Departments for decades/ Centuries beyond any real relevance or interest, this must not be alloweed to happen. I demand this evil philosophy cease from public support right now. Feminism is killing men! It is evil. A statistical genocide of over four million absent New Zealanders can be firmly laid at its door. We must put such olicy makers on trial. They are responsible for all this economic meltdown. This meltdown has taken thirty years to develop. Twenty years ago I became interested and saw the bulk argument as something people would listen to. I wrote up to 50 handwritten letters a week for years to the newspapers, many were published. I varied each one. They were handwritten so that they would be unique &#8211; not photocopied &#8211; so editors would publish them. I was successfull in that but socialist engineering continued. We predicted a massive population depredation causing an economic crisis. The Soviet Union is one example of that, Korea and Japan Another. Also Argentina and other places. China and India we saw along with Brazil as having the best future: we were right.</p>
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		<title>By: allan Harvey</title>
		<link>http://menz.org.nz/2009/gender-disparities-in-democracy-are-fatal/comment-page-1/#comment-219158</link>
		<dc:creator>allan Harvey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Feb 2009 19:26:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In October last year the Cancer Society promoted a Mens Health Challenge.  They got 1600 replies which were collatted by their staff (a female Nurse).  The results are below.
Summary of data from Scorecard returns
November 2008 

As of November 3rd we have received a total of 1152 (1696) scorecards that are complete. A small number of cards have not been entered due to incomplete or invalid information.
The following is an outline of the data- The percentages have been rounded up for ease of reading. 
49% of returns are form men over the age of 50years
11% have stated they are current smokers
29% state they are overweight
44% state they do less than 30mins of exercise per day
11% state they have more than 3 alcoholic drinks per day (21/week)
14% have high blood pressure				13% don’t know
54% have moles/dark freckles on their skin 
34% spend long periods of time in the sun
17% state they get depressed 	with a further			9% who don’t know
40% have a personal/family history of cancer		5% don’t know
24% have a personal/family history of diabetes		4% don’t know
34% have a personal/family history of heart disease		7% don’t know
18% have personal/family history of stroke			7% don’t know
31% of all cards have been signed by a health professional with 12% stating it has been more than 2 years since they saw a health professional
Ethnic groups are reasonably representative of population, with a higher than expected return from non European men, (some men did not indicate ethnic group, some gave two groups)
European 79%
Maori 10%
Pacific Island 2%
Asian/Indian 5%
Geographically we have had returns from Whangarei to Bluff with a fantastic response from the South Island! All regions now have a reasonable coverage with some more enthusiastic than others!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In October last year the Cancer Society promoted a Mens Health Challenge.  They got 1600 replies which were collatted by their staff (a female Nurse).  The results are below.<br />
Summary of data from Scorecard returns<br />
November 2008 </p>
<p>As of November 3rd we have received a total of 1152 (1696) scorecards that are complete. A small number of cards have not been entered due to incomplete or invalid information.<br />
The following is an outline of the data- The percentages have been rounded up for ease of reading.<br />
49% of returns are form men over the age of 50years<br />
11% have stated they are current smokers<br />
29% state they are overweight<br />
44% state they do less than 30mins of exercise per day<br />
11% state they have more than 3 alcoholic drinks per day (21/week)<br />
14% have high blood pressure				13% don’t know<br />
54% have moles/dark freckles on their skin<br />
34% spend long periods of time in the sun<br />
17% state they get depressed 	with a further			9% who don’t know<br />
40% have a personal/family history of cancer		5% don’t know<br />
24% have a personal/family history of diabetes		4% don’t know<br />
34% have a personal/family history of heart disease		7% don’t know<br />
18% have personal/family history of stroke			7% don’t know<br />
31% of all cards have been signed by a health professional with 12% stating it has been more than 2 years since they saw a health professional<br />
Ethnic groups are reasonably representative of population, with a higher than expected return from non European men, (some men did not indicate ethnic group, some gave two groups)<br />
European 79%<br />
Maori 10%<br />
Pacific Island 2%<br />
Asian/Indian 5%<br />
Geographically we have had returns from Whangarei to Bluff with a fantastic response from the South Island! All regions now have a reasonable coverage with some more enthusiastic than others!</p>
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		<title>By: Skeptik</title>
		<link>http://menz.org.nz/2009/gender-disparities-in-democracy-are-fatal/comment-page-1/#comment-219144</link>
		<dc:creator>Skeptik</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Feb 2009 09:12:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Julie,
I can think of many women in NZ who would nag their menfolk to go to the doctor&#039;s clinic for a check up - so those men stay healthy - AND continue in harness as the selfless workhorses they&#039;ve become.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Julie,<br />
I can think of many women in NZ who would nag their menfolk to go to the doctor&#8217;s clinic for a check up &#8211; so those men stay healthy &#8211; AND continue in harness as the selfless workhorses they&#8217;ve become.</p>
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		<title>By: julie</title>
		<link>http://menz.org.nz/2009/gender-disparities-in-democracy-are-fatal/comment-page-1/#comment-219113</link>
		<dc:creator>julie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Feb 2009 23:01:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting rave. 

&lt;blockquote&gt;Men were once 46% of our primary teachers, today barely 6%.&lt;/blockquote&gt; 
I have been told it was 10% back in the 70&#039;s. Where did you get this information from? I could use it. 

@Skeptic, 

&lt;blockquote&gt;I’ve known for many years that in today’s ‘democracy’ women are vastly the privileged sex when it comes to health-care in NZ.

That’s something that won’t change too. Women’s sense of entitlement is too strong for them to benevolently vote for men to get an equal share of the healthcare pie (never mind that it would mean vastly less men being drug addicts, mental health patients, cardiac cases and prison inmates - something plenty of their tax dollars get spent on).&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Sadly the facts are that the women in the community are taking care of men&#039;s health issues.  They have found that men are not going to the doctor often and that offering them free days and the like is also not working. 

The new move is to go through the women in the men&#039;s lives. Hoping that the women will nag the men to go. 

Another thing to note is that the NZ Prostate Cancer group says most of the enquiries come from women and that women are the ones lobbying. 

BTW, good on you for looking after yourself.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting rave. </p>
<blockquote><p>Men were once 46% of our primary teachers, today barely 6%.</p></blockquote>
<p>I have been told it was 10% back in the 70&#8217;s. Where did you get this information from? I could use it. </p>
<p>@Skeptic, </p>
<blockquote><p>I’ve known for many years that in today’s ‘democracy’ women are vastly the privileged sex when it comes to health-care in NZ.</p>
<p>That’s something that won’t change too. Women’s sense of entitlement is too strong for them to benevolently vote for men to get an equal share of the healthcare pie (never mind that it would mean vastly less men being drug addicts, mental health patients, cardiac cases and prison inmates &#8211; something plenty of their tax dollars get spent on).</p></blockquote>
<p>Sadly the facts are that the women in the community are taking care of men&#8217;s health issues.  They have found that men are not going to the doctor often and that offering them free days and the like is also not working. </p>
<p>The new move is to go through the women in the men&#8217;s lives. Hoping that the women will nag the men to go. </p>
<p>Another thing to note is that the NZ Prostate Cancer group says most of the enquiries come from women and that women are the ones lobbying. </p>
<p>BTW, good on you for looking after yourself.</p>
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