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		<title>By: Dave</title>
		<link>http://menz.org.nz/2009/march-for-democracy/comment-page-1/#comment-299605</link>
		<dc:creator>Dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Jan 2010 02:23:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.nydailynews.com/lifestyle/2010/01/04/2010-01-04_spanking_makes_kids_perform_better_in_school_study.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;A new study of 2600 people&lt;/a&gt; proves that a smacked child is a successful child.

&quot;The claims that are made for not spanking children fail to hold up.&quot;
- professor Marjorie Gunnoe</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.nydailynews.com/lifestyle/2010/01/04/2010-01-04_spanking_makes_kids_perform_better_in_school_study.html" rel="nofollow">A new study of 2600 people</a> proves that a smacked child is a successful child.</p>
<p>&#8220;The claims that are made for not spanking children fail to hold up.&#8221;<br />
- professor Marjorie Gunnoe</p>
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		<title>By: Benjamin Easton</title>
		<link>http://menz.org.nz/2009/march-for-democracy/comment-page-1/#comment-296926</link>
		<dc:creator>Benjamin Easton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Dec 2009 22:28:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Has there beenan anti-clark regime era? This qualifies, in my view anyway, the original part of the/youor whole question as paradoxical. I do not believe what you have said is equitable and; fracturing its own logic and; would be interested in a clearer sentence, easier to get my head around.

Cheers,
Benjamin.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Has there beenan anti-clark regime era? This qualifies, in my view anyway, the original part of the/youor whole question as paradoxical. I do not believe what you have said is equitable and; fracturing its own logic and; would be interested in a clearer sentence, easier to get my head around.</p>
<p>Cheers,<br />
Benjamin.</p>
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		<title>By: Peter Bell</title>
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		<dc:creator>Peter Bell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Dec 2009 09:07:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>‘And we blame flattery and meanness when they subordinate the spirited element in us to the unruliness of the beast, and when, to gratify the beast’s greed and love of money, they school the lion to put up with insults and turn it into an ape.’

Has anyone made a compilation of the grossly sexist propaganda television commercials used in part to aid in falsely justifing the oppressive policies legislation of the anti-clark regime&#039;s era?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>‘And we blame flattery and meanness when they subordinate the spirited element in us to the unruliness of the beast, and when, to gratify the beast’s greed and love of money, they school the lion to put up with insults and turn it into an ape.’</p>
<p>Has anyone made a compilation of the grossly sexist propaganda television commercials used in part to aid in falsely justifing the oppressive policies legislation of the anti-clark regime&#8217;s era?</p>
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		<title>By: feminism sucks</title>
		<link>http://menz.org.nz/2009/march-for-democracy/comment-page-1/#comment-296606</link>
		<dc:creator>feminism sucks</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Dec 2009 03:10:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s great to see there&#039;s movement advocating societal democracy in NZ. At the same time I&#039;d love to see democracy in NZ at the more personal level. I think it&#039;s tragic that in this day and age many NZ women apparently need to step up to the plate and excercise democracy in their relations with men. Instead I notice they hold onto the following attitudes which of course promote their self advancing gender priveliges. 

Taken from mens news daily -

Gender Rules of Today
Monday, November 9, 2009
By Pelle Billing

   1. Women want full independence — Women want male protection when things get rough or dangerous
   2. Men and women can vote — The draft and compulsory military service are male only
   3. Men are expected to work in jobs that they do not care for to support their families – Men are lazy for not doing half of the housework
   4. When boys perform badly in school there is a “crisis in masculinity” — When girls or women perform badly they are being discriminated against
   5. Women “get rid of jerks” — Men “cannot commit”
   6. Male circumcision is a proud tradition — Female circumcision is abhorred, even the kinds that are milder than male circumcision
   7. Commenting on a woman’s cleavage is sexual harassment — A woman who purposely flaunts her cleavage at work is not sexually harassing anyone
   8. All good men pay for the date — All good men support gender neutral pay
   9. Men’s financial power must be controlled — Women’s sexual power must be liberated
  10. Fathers should take care of their children — Children aren’t DNA tested to establish paternity
  11. Men prey on women — Women exercise their sexual freedom
  12. The overarching inconsistency: Men are responsible for their actions and failures — Women are victims of circumstances or societal structures</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s great to see there&#8217;s movement advocating societal democracy in NZ. At the same time I&#8217;d love to see democracy in NZ at the more personal level. I think it&#8217;s tragic that in this day and age many NZ women apparently need to step up to the plate and excercise democracy in their relations with men. Instead I notice they hold onto the following attitudes which of course promote their self advancing gender priveliges. </p>
<p>Taken from mens news daily -</p>
<p>Gender Rules of Today<br />
Monday, November 9, 2009<br />
By Pelle Billing</p>
<p>   1. Women want full independence — Women want male protection when things get rough or dangerous<br />
   2. Men and women can vote — The draft and compulsory military service are male only<br />
   3. Men are expected to work in jobs that they do not care for to support their families – Men are lazy for not doing half of the housework<br />
   4. When boys perform badly in school there is a “crisis in masculinity” — When girls or women perform badly they are being discriminated against<br />
   5. Women “get rid of jerks” — Men “cannot commit”<br />
   6. Male circumcision is a proud tradition — Female circumcision is abhorred, even the kinds that are milder than male circumcision<br />
   7. Commenting on a woman’s cleavage is sexual harassment — A woman who purposely flaunts her cleavage at work is not sexually harassing anyone<br />
   8. All good men pay for the date — All good men support gender neutral pay<br />
   9. Men’s financial power must be controlled — Women’s sexual power must be liberated<br />
  10. Fathers should take care of their children — Children aren’t DNA tested to establish paternity<br />
  11. Men prey on women — Women exercise their sexual freedom<br />
  12. The overarching inconsistency: Men are responsible for their actions and failures — Women are victims of circumstances or societal structures</p>
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		<title>By: Skeptik</title>
		<link>http://menz.org.nz/2009/march-for-democracy/comment-page-1/#comment-296005</link>
		<dc:creator>Skeptik</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Nov 2009 09:41:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There&#039;s a &lt;a href=&quot;http://mensnewsdaily.com/sexandmetro/2009/11/25/16-days-of-activism-against-global-feminist-terrorism-november-25-%E2%80%93-december-10/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;global wave of indignation and dissent at feminism and PC philosophy building&lt;/a&gt;. 
Democracy is rightly being defended by sensible people. 
Sue Bradford and her ilk obviously need to attend a listening skills program.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There&#8217;s a <a href="http://mensnewsdaily.com/sexandmetro/2009/11/25/16-days-of-activism-against-global-feminist-terrorism-november-25-%E2%80%93-december-10/" rel="nofollow">global wave of indignation and dissent at feminism and PC philosophy building</a>.<br />
Democracy is rightly being defended by sensible people.<br />
Sue Bradford and her ilk obviously need to attend a listening skills program.</p>
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		<title>By: Hans Laven</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hans Laven</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Nov 2009 07:53:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It would be great if some spoke up.  The way I see it, the police, CYFS etc are holding back in the hope that the matter will fall off the radar.  Then, you can be sure they will use it increasingly, particularly to harass people they don&#039;t like or can&#039;t get on other offences.  CYFS have had a &quot;zero tolerance&quot; policy towards smacking for many years and have forced parents, mainly fathers, out of children&#039;s lives accordingly.  They don&#039;t need this law, but they will be using it increasingly too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It would be great if some spoke up.  The way I see it, the police, CYFS etc are holding back in the hope that the matter will fall off the radar.  Then, you can be sure they will use it increasingly, particularly to harass people they don&#8217;t like or can&#8217;t get on other offences.  CYFS have had a &#8220;zero tolerance&#8221; policy towards smacking for many years and have forced parents, mainly fathers, out of children&#8217;s lives accordingly.  They don&#8217;t need this law, but they will be using it increasingly too.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave</title>
		<link>http://menz.org.nz/2009/march-for-democracy/comment-page-1/#comment-295898</link>
		<dc:creator>Dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Nov 2009 05:08:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As I understand it there are in fact good parents that have been investigated by this change to section 59. That is they have been harassed, stressed, incurred costs and had their lives disrupted. Apparently this is OK as long as they are not convicted. What sort of justice system is that?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As I understand it there are in fact good parents that have been investigated by this change to section 59. That is they have been harassed, stressed, incurred costs and had their lives disrupted. Apparently this is OK as long as they are not convicted. What sort of justice system is that?</p>
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		<title>By: Benjamin Easton</title>
		<link>http://menz.org.nz/2009/march-for-democracy/comment-page-1/#comment-295860</link>
		<dc:creator>Benjamin Easton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Nov 2009 21:34:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The number I believe, or at least that is officially accepted was 1000 attending. I rang Radio Live on Saturday night for my own Manners Mall issue where besides what I was saying about a recent email interchange between the Mayor&#039;s husband and me where is threatening to take me to court for libel, the host Keith Stewart made a very qualified and relevant comment about the march, prior to me ringing. The &#039;joke&#039;, as put by the Mayor on TV3, of renting a crowd, where the first outing saw (many bystanders), only 8 of us assembled, drew and continues to draw considerable publicity.

http://www.stuff.co..nz/dominion-post/local/3080755/Mall-campaign-pays-for-protesters

My primary campaign associate Maria van der Meel, [The City is Ours] has been sited for co-coordinating the payment of $25 for each of 30 students to attend the protest. Personally I dispute that this is what occurred other than 30 students are being employed to define the side of the protest, in fluorescent jackets, assembled in what is called a Human Bus. This bus leaves Manners Mall on December 11 at 12.45 pm to confront the WCC on what I have proved already in the Court of Appeal is an outright abrogation of democratic process.

Keith Stewart in his earlier comment stated that if the funder [of the March for Democracy] had paid the protesters $25 each, he would have only paid out $25,000, not the allegedly spent 100’s of thousands. Essentially popularity is a very fickle thing, and particularly in todays newly minds zoned technological world where everyone in our elite Westminster based system appears to be openly and only thinking all at the very same time. 

It is not that we have not been doing this ‘thinking’ for ever; it is more that we just have better access to what is going on in other people’s worlds. In short for those who struggle to extract immediate meaning from what I write, what I am describing is the intangible nature of fact against circumstance. 4000 is not 1000. Colin Craig has made a start but it has not achieved the purpose he set out to achieve, not because he did not necessarily have a qualifiedly good point, but because he rested too much hope on the ‘hyperbole’ of advertising. All of the energy that seems left over as productive or marketable these days seems to be the emissions. 

Legally, referenda are not in a position [yet] to represent democracy. This is not to say that they are not part of a future, but at the moment that entire future is fragile where the abuse which Colin Craig collects on public complaint has not properly been identified and until he or others who would advocate in the same position centre on the absolute controversy as it is functionally real for that public, such a protest march is only set to trickle down Auckland’s Queen Street.

John Key is not the primary target – he is the servant of a target. Feminist propaganda is the machine of the first target. Child health and security through solid family practices bridging religions should be seen as a cause.   
  

&quot;Science is simply on and off where religion takes its cause&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The number I believe, or at least that is officially accepted was 1000 attending. I rang Radio Live on Saturday night for my own Manners Mall issue where besides what I was saying about a recent email interchange between the Mayor&#8217;s husband and me where is threatening to take me to court for libel, the host Keith Stewart made a very qualified and relevant comment about the march, prior to me ringing. The &#8216;joke&#8217;, as put by the Mayor on TV3, of renting a crowd, where the first outing saw (many bystanders), only 8 of us assembled, drew and continues to draw considerable publicity.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.stuff.co..nz/dominion-post/local/3080755/Mall-campaign-pays-for-protesters" rel="nofollow">http://www.stuff.co..nz/dominion-post/local/3080755/Mall-campaign-pays-for-protesters</a></p>
<p>My primary campaign associate Maria van der Meel, [The City is Ours] has been sited for co-coordinating the payment of $25 for each of 30 students to attend the protest. Personally I dispute that this is what occurred other than 30 students are being employed to define the side of the protest, in fluorescent jackets, assembled in what is called a Human Bus. This bus leaves Manners Mall on December 11 at 12.45 pm to confront the WCC on what I have proved already in the Court of Appeal is an outright abrogation of democratic process.</p>
<p>Keith Stewart in his earlier comment stated that if the funder [of the March for Democracy] had paid the protesters $25 each, he would have only paid out $25,000, not the allegedly spent 100’s of thousands. Essentially popularity is a very fickle thing, and particularly in todays newly minds zoned technological world where everyone in our elite Westminster based system appears to be openly and only thinking all at the very same time. </p>
<p>It is not that we have not been doing this ‘thinking’ for ever; it is more that we just have better access to what is going on in other people’s worlds. In short for those who struggle to extract immediate meaning from what I write, what I am describing is the intangible nature of fact against circumstance. 4000 is not 1000. Colin Craig has made a start but it has not achieved the purpose he set out to achieve, not because he did not necessarily have a qualifiedly good point, but because he rested too much hope on the ‘hyperbole’ of advertising. All of the energy that seems left over as productive or marketable these days seems to be the emissions. </p>
<p>Legally, referenda are not in a position [yet] to represent democracy. This is not to say that they are not part of a future, but at the moment that entire future is fragile where the abuse which Colin Craig collects on public complaint has not properly been identified and until he or others who would advocate in the same position centre on the absolute controversy as it is functionally real for that public, such a protest march is only set to trickle down Auckland’s Queen Street.</p>
<p>John Key is not the primary target – he is the servant of a target. Feminist propaganda is the machine of the first target. Child health and security through solid family practices bridging religions should be seen as a cause.   </p>
<p>&#8220;Science is simply on and off where religion takes its cause&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Bryan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bryan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Nov 2009 13:33:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m not a sociologist but it appears to me that ever since Moses set up laws for the Jewish Nation laws are seen as a panacea for producing a happy society. Many laws are in fact counter-productive. Changes to section 59 are an example of this. Key states that there is no evidence of parents being criminalised by this law. I suggest that Key has never been under investigation by the police nor had charges laid against him that are politically motivated. Since the police force was feminised by the Clarke Government many cops with an agenda pick on parents who they just don&#039;t like and make their life hell by laying charges that are just down-right bloody ridiculous. Just going to court can produce more stress Whether or not you  are convicted. The damage done to the family is horrendous. Don&#039;t institute laws that are not absolutely necessary is my opinion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not a sociologist but it appears to me that ever since Moses set up laws for the Jewish Nation laws are seen as a panacea for producing a happy society. Many laws are in fact counter-productive. Changes to section 59 are an example of this. Key states that there is no evidence of parents being criminalised by this law. I suggest that Key has never been under investigation by the police nor had charges laid against him that are politically motivated. Since the police force was feminised by the Clarke Government many cops with an agenda pick on parents who they just don&#8217;t like and make their life hell by laying charges that are just down-right bloody ridiculous. Just going to court can produce more stress Whether or not you  are convicted. The damage done to the family is horrendous. Don&#8217;t institute laws that are not absolutely necessary is my opinion.</p>
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