Comments on: Trespass: Background and Advice http://menz.org.nz/2009/trespass-background-and-advice/ - promoting a clearer understanding of men's experience - Fri, 19 Mar 2010 02:23:00 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: julie http://menz.org.nz/2009/trespass-background-and-advice/comment-page-1/#comment-301434 julie Fri, 22 Jan 2010 10:05:12 +0000 http://menz.org.nz/?p=2712#comment-301434 Hi Marcel, <blockquote>I have a sticky situation I’m sure you can help me with!</blockquote> I think you should join this site. <a href="http://groups.yahoo.com/group/pauls-news/" rel="nofollow">http://groups.yahoo.com/group/pauls-news/</a> Some of the men from here are there helping men and women in similar situations to yours. Hi Marcel,

I have a sticky situation I’m sure you can help me with!

I think you should join this site.

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/pauls-news/

Some of the men from here are there helping men and women in similar situations to yours.

]]> By: Marcel http://menz.org.nz/2009/trespass-background-and-advice/comment-page-1/#comment-301431 Marcel Fri, 22 Jan 2010 08:34:38 +0000 http://menz.org.nz/?p=2712#comment-301431 Hi there, I have been reading these posts and relating to some of them. I have a sticky situation I'm sure you can help me with! My wife, daughter (2) and I lived at the mother in laws house. My wife cheated on me so I moved out into a flat. Now the mother in law has trespassed me from the property effectively preventing me from seeing my daughter (who I miss so so much...)! I also have stuff on the property I need to get too (like clothes etc). What can I do? My mother in law is on the DPB for my daughter, and my wife is on the sickness benefit as she is an alcoholic! My daughter is not in a secure environment, missing out on routine and dicipline! I raised her for the first 1.5 years of her life and I am finding it difficult to be without her. Please help! Hi there, I have been reading these posts and relating to some of them. I have a sticky situation I’m sure you can help me with!

My wife, daughter (2) and I lived at the mother in laws house. My wife cheated on me so I moved out into a flat. Now the mother in law has trespassed me from the property effectively preventing me from seeing my daughter (who I miss so so much…)! I also have stuff on the property I need to get too (like clothes etc).

What can I do? My mother in law is on the DPB for my daughter, and my wife is on the sickness benefit as she is an alcoholic! My daughter is not in a secure environment, missing out on routine and dicipline! I raised her for the first 1.5 years of her life and I am finding it difficult to be without her. Please help!

]]> By: John Dutchie http://menz.org.nz/2009/trespass-background-and-advice/comment-page-1/#comment-300432 John Dutchie Tue, 12 Jan 2010 19:34:06 +0000 http://menz.org.nz/?p=2712#comment-300432 Reply to Eve .L.M.A.O...... Brilliant....!!!..Very witty....loved it... John Dutchie Reply to Eve

.L.M.A.O…… Brilliant….!!!..Very witty….loved it…

John Dutchie

]]> By: Gerry http://menz.org.nz/2009/trespass-background-and-advice/comment-page-1/#comment-300415 Gerry Tue, 12 Jan 2010 12:27:25 +0000 http://menz.org.nz/?p=2712#comment-300415 Did I say you can't challenge it?? What I meant was you can't have it withdrawn but you can take it to Court to argue it that it wasn't really trespass. Activists and protesters get charged all the time with trespass, but mostly get off on Bill of Rights angles or because the police can't be bothered with the case. The cops tend to use arrest for trespass as a means of removing you there and then. They don't so much care about what happens later. If they arrest you, good. They won't be so keen to pursue it in the wider interests of justice and their workload. A civil charge of trespass is interesting and will be expensive to prosecute for very little gain in terms of what penalty a judge might hand down (if any). For Ken - have you considered action under the Property (Relationship) Act? The beauty of this is that once you lodge the application, you can make an interloctory application and get a ruling on some issues. I have had some success with interloctory orders and you don't have to wait so long for a final hearing to get a pay day. Did I say you can’t challenge it?? What I meant was you can’t have it withdrawn but you can take it to Court to argue it that it wasn’t really trespass. Activists and protesters get charged all the time with trespass, but mostly get off on Bill of Rights angles or because the police can’t be bothered with the case. The cops tend to use arrest for trespass as a means of removing you there and then. They don’t so much care about what happens later. If they arrest you, good. They won’t be so keen to pursue it in the wider interests of justice and their workload. A civil charge of trespass is interesting and will be expensive to prosecute for very little gain in terms of what penalty a judge might hand down (if any).

For Ken – have you considered action under the Property (Relationship) Act? The beauty of this is that once you lodge the application, you can make an interloctory application and get a ruling on some issues. I have had some success with interloctory orders and you don’t have to wait so long for a final hearing to get a pay day.

]]> By: Eve http://menz.org.nz/2009/trespass-background-and-advice/comment-page-1/#comment-300406 Eve Tue, 12 Jan 2010 07:08:02 +0000 http://menz.org.nz/?p=2712#comment-300406 all the best. Spent a year in Perth, my clothes and stuff is still there, you should give me a shout and I am happy to put you in touch with your feministe side by asking you to carry few dresses and panties across the board when you ever come back here, even if just for a visit cheers ev didueverbungy@yahoo.com all the best. Spent a year in Perth, my clothes and stuff is still there, you should give me a shout and I am happy to put you in touch with your feministe side by asking you to carry few dresses and panties across the board when you ever come back here, even if just for a visit
cheers
ev
didueverbungy@yahoo.com

]]> By: John Dutchie http://menz.org.nz/2009/trespass-background-and-advice/comment-page-1/#comment-300350 John Dutchie Mon, 11 Jan 2010 22:54:41 +0000 http://menz.org.nz/?p=2712#comment-300350 Reply to Eve 'So either the legal system or karma – what should we count on?'...All what I know how pro Woman/Motherhood the Justice system is...And I sincerely hope I am proven wrong here .....But I know what my 'Gut Feeling is' telling me...Trust 'Karma'...Not the Justice system.... Your comment on the 'Aggressive Woman' that is so encouraged here in 'Feminism' New Zealand ...But a N.Z Man is so called or even hints of a 'Aggressive' nature....He is then label the Abuser by the N.Z Feminist system....... I can remember when my two my Dutch Lady friends from the Amsterdam police force came to N.Z in 2002 and heard about the term of 'Sensitive New Age Guy'....They laugh and said 'Oh John do you mean N.Z Woman Feminists want there Man to insert a tampon up there anal passage once a month,to touch base with Feminist side'.....I crack up on that one....!!!! ....Heading to Australia to stay with my ex brother law...for a while, then heading to Perth I have quite a few friends permanently living there...been to Perth before,a very beautiful City... Kind regards to you Eve....John Dutchie Reply to Eve

‘So either the legal system or karma – what should we count on?’…All what I know how pro Woman/Motherhood the Justice system is…And I sincerely hope I am proven wrong here …..But I know what my ‘Gut Feeling is’ telling me…Trust ‘Karma’…Not the Justice system….

Your comment on the ‘Aggressive Woman’ that is so encouraged here in ‘Feminism’ New Zealand …But a N.Z Man is so called or even hints of a ‘Aggressive’ nature….He is then label the Abuser by the N.Z Feminist system…….

I can remember when my two my Dutch Lady friends from the Amsterdam police force came to N.Z in 2002 and heard about the term of ‘Sensitive New Age Guy’….They laugh and said ‘Oh John do you mean N.Z Woman Feminists want there Man to insert a tampon up there anal passage once a month,to touch base with Feminist side’…..I crack up on that one….!!!!

….Heading to Australia to stay with my ex brother law…for a while, then heading to Perth I have quite a few friends permanently living there…been to Perth before,a very beautiful City…

Kind regards to you Eve….John Dutchie

]]> By: Scrap_The_CSa http://menz.org.nz/2009/trespass-background-and-advice/comment-page-1/#comment-300281 Scrap_The_CSa Mon, 11 Jan 2010 06:23:42 +0000 http://menz.org.nz/?p=2712#comment-300281 If its not served on you you have a defence against any charge that is laid. However the Act is very specific on what consitutes service so be carefull. Regards Scrap If its not served on you you have a defence against any charge that is laid.

However the Act is very specific on what consitutes service so be carefull.

Regards

Scrap

]]> By: Eve http://menz.org.nz/2009/trespass-background-and-advice/comment-page-1/#comment-300276 Eve Mon, 11 Jan 2010 05:17:46 +0000 http://menz.org.nz/?p=2712#comment-300276 Afraid you are so right. I now asked 5 different lawyers, all say this tresspass can't be legal but the police will not change it. They say just go to the court. The problem is that the same woman denies relationship as in this way she can take half the house without any debts. this means thught that if my partner takes her to the family court, he will first have to prove relationship. Funny because she says he was just a business partner, despite hm supporting her and her daughter for 3 years, but then she trespasses him from the property that apparently was their business. She is also a very agressive woman so police wants to keep the trespass notice to avoid any trouble. well such is life. Hope the justice system will be more just than this. Will cost 25 K though to do it through the legal system. I can see exactly what you mean about the difference in rights. The same woman I believe also abused the WINZ for ages, because, how would a single mother that doesn't work have money for half of the house anyway. A few people said that she continued taking benefits while being supported so this may be an additional reason why she refuses to admit that she was living in a de facto relationship So either the legal system or karma - what should we count on? Best luck for you (where are you off to by the way? Poland by any chance?) and regards to your bro cheers eve Afraid you are so right. I now asked 5 different lawyers, all say this tresspass can’t be legal but the police will not change it. They say just go to the court. The problem is that the same woman denies relationship as in this way she can take half the house without any debts. this means thught that if my partner takes her to the family court, he will first have to prove relationship. Funny because she says he was just a business partner, despite hm supporting her and her daughter for 3 years, but then she trespasses him from the property that apparently was their business. She is also a very agressive woman so police wants to keep the trespass notice to avoid any trouble.

well such is life. Hope the justice system will be more just than this. Will cost 25 K though to do it through the legal system.

I can see exactly what you mean about the difference in rights. The same woman I believe also abused the WINZ for ages, because, how would a single mother that doesn’t work have money for half of the house anyway. A few people said that she continued taking benefits while being supported so this may be an additional reason why she refuses to admit that she was living in a de facto relationship

So either the legal system or karma – what should we count on?

Best luck for you (where are you off to by the way? Poland by any chance?) and regards to your bro
cheers
eve

]]> By: John Dutchie http://menz.org.nz/2009/trespass-background-and-advice/comment-page-1/#comment-300268 John Dutchie Mon, 11 Jan 2010 02:55:17 +0000 http://menz.org.nz/?p=2712#comment-300268 reply to Eve ....Eve might I suggest don't even think of going that road as in breaking in the house by yourself....You will be arrested and charged.... Sorry to say this but the 'State' and the 'Law' is on her side...For 'He' is the so called 'Abuser'...'She' is the so called 'Victim'... That is how the system works in N.Z...And you can thank Extreme Feminism in our political system for the last 25 years that...... And if I come across 'Blunt' and 'Hostile' ...My apology to you.... Classic example on a previous post concerning my ex brother law who was falsely accused of inappropriate sexual behavior towards his own children by his bitter and twisted feminist ex Lady partner...This is roughly what happen... He,as in the Father was a sole care giver to his two daughters for three years....In lived a house that he purchased by himself and with the help of his parents...All were a very happy and contented Family.... She as in the Mother returns from the Australia,begs to stay at the Ex's abode,for she calms she as no to support her in her hour of need... He as a good heart and feels really sorry her....He lets her stay with him and the Daughters....in less then 3 days she phones the Police and says I feel threaten and I am been verbal abused...The Police arrives and without any proof what's so ever,the Police kicks him out of his own house..Then she lays a false sexual accusations of sexual inference on the Daughters....He is arrested and charged....charges are throw out of court by a Judge who saw through the Charade But this experienced on my ex brother law, traumatized him so much he never saw his Daughters ever again and left N.Z for Australia where he as now happily settled and remarried, He will never return to N.Z...Can I blame ....No.... And I myself will be leaving in two years time....And Eve then a lot of Kiwi Woman wonder why there is a Man drought in N.Z...????...Hello.????.. Doesn't take a genius to work that one out....Does it... Thanks for posting Eve...Kind regards John Dutchie reply to Eve

….Eve might I suggest don’t even think of going that road as in breaking in the house by yourself….You will be arrested and charged….

Sorry to say this but the ‘State’ and the ‘Law’ is on her side…For ‘He’ is the so called ‘Abuser’…’She’ is the so called ‘Victim’… That is how the system works in N.Z…And you can thank Extreme Feminism in our political system for the last 25 years that…… And if I come across ‘Blunt’ and ‘Hostile’ …My apology to you….

Classic example on a previous post concerning my ex brother law who was falsely accused of inappropriate sexual behavior towards his own children by his bitter and twisted feminist ex Lady partner…This is roughly what happen…

He,as in the Father was a sole care giver to his two daughters for three years….In lived a house that he purchased by himself and with the help of his parents…All were a very happy and contented Family….
She as in the Mother returns from the Australia,begs to stay at the Ex’s abode,for she calms she as no to support her in her hour of need…

He as a good heart and feels really sorry her….He lets her stay with him and the Daughters….in less then 3 days she phones the Police and says I feel threaten and I am been verbal abused…The Police arrives and without any proof what’s so ever,the Police kicks him out of his own house..Then she lays a false sexual accusations of sexual inference on the Daughters….He is arrested and charged….charges are throw out of court by a Judge who saw through the Charade

But this experienced on my ex brother law, traumatized him so much he never saw his Daughters ever again and left N.Z for Australia where he as now happily settled and remarried, He will never return to N.Z…Can I blame ….No….

And I myself will be leaving in two years time….And Eve then a lot of Kiwi Woman wonder why there is a Man drought in N.Z…????…Hello.????.. Doesn’t take a genius to work that one out….Does it…

Thanks for posting Eve…Kind regards John Dutchie

]]> By: celeste http://menz.org.nz/2009/trespass-background-and-advice/comment-page-1/#comment-300245 celeste Mon, 11 Jan 2010 00:00:59 +0000 http://menz.org.nz/?p=2712#comment-300245 Oh and how do you find out you have an order against you if you have never been served with one. Oh and how do you find out you have an order against you if you have never been served with one.

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