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Thu 19th August 2010

Holocaust in hollow court or the 3rd world standard of the Nelson fc

Filed under: General — MAX @ 11:02 am

“All it takes for Evil to win is for Good to do nothing”.

Part 5 (continued from Part 4, Wed. 30th June 2010)

(Like previously this story is not about the malicious mother (syndrome) since that is something I can’t do anything about. This post/story is part of exposing and dealing with the corruption of the Nelson FC and is only step 2 out of many more to come.)

(Continued). After my daughter and me not having seen each other for 2 years- because of the court having suspended contact and not allocated a hearing for that long, the judge now decided that: “there is no reason why the father can not have contact”, (meaning they admitted now that there was no reason (apart from the persecution of me) to have suspended contact to start off with), and ordered 10 sessions of counselling to reintroduce the child back with her father,

After a couple of sessions with the counsellor my daughter and me were back to normal again.

With stalling and excuses for holiday from the mother it took 5 month to complete all the sessions. Later after requesting a statement from the counsellor she advised that: “The sessions with XXX’s father were very very positive and that XXX loved seeing her father”.

The judge had also ordered 4 supervised contact sessions after the counselling before normal unsupervised contact would resume.

Now those supervised contact sessions went also very well with the 4 written reports from the supervisor saying things like: “XX is always keen to see her father, they spend their time together with great joy, when we pull up she’s out the car and cuddling, they have big cuddles when we are due to leave, she then proceeds to claim her dad’s undivided attention, she is always so happy to see him looking forward to each session, XXX tells her Dad she loves him” etc.

By now we had clearly documented 6 month of a relationship between child and father that was as good as it can be.

But then came the first day of unsupervised contact and that shouldn’t have been anything special since we previously have had 4 years of that twice a week that went all well.

When I tried to pick up my daughter from school she didn’t want to come and it turned out that she had in one week gone from loving her father to hating him (!).

The supervisor from the previous supervised contact who was to drop the child back to her mother after unsupervised contact commented in her report that the child had told her “Mum and the teacher were trying to stop her Dad from having the time with her”.

And all of the last 6 month of my contact had been under the eye of either the counsellor or at supervised contact and no negative evidence existed of anything I had done possibly being the cause of our daughter’s sudden change of heart and mind.

It was of course clear to all who were neutral what had happened: The mother had brainwashed the child into hating her father and as such had committed nothing less than emotional rape on her.

Long story short, a Short Fixture was scheduled and guess what the judge did? Did he at the very least order the supervised contact to resume, as one would logically expect? No. Surprise surprise the judge followed the strategy in tune with the previous blackmailing from CfC (see Part 4) that he had sanctioned, did his corrupt thing like previously and carried on with his persecution and suspended all contact again with the stupid reason given that “it was at the moment not in the best interest of the child”.

What ‘they’ had been waiting for was an excuse to “make me pay/get rid of me” (with the real result being: abuse of a child). And because I had given them no reason/excuse, the mother had simply decided to emotionally rape her own child to accomplish the obvious task that she and the court were after.

And you would think that because the counselling and supervised contact had gone so well up until then that a proper hearing would have been scheduled for the “very near future” so as not to loose all the good work done? No, because that was not part of their plan – so it took a whole (1) year until we had a proper hearing to try and address the issue and of course I hadn’t been allowed by the mother to see my daughter for all that time.

The residing judge from Nelson now replaced the judge from Wellington.

This new judge at least ordered supervised contact again even if just for the purpose of a section 133 report so that the report writer could observe my daughter with me.

I also ask the judge to order counselling again for our daughter and me for the purpose of reintroducing her back with her father like the last judge had done but surprise surprise he said that he could only order counselling for the both of us if the other party agreed (and they didn’t) and I said that the previous judge had ordered it without the other party even being asked and he didn’t answer and changed the subject and I knew then that either he (!) or the previous judge had violated the law.

It became clear later that their plan was to resume supervised contact only for the purpose of writing a S133 report so that the court would have a psychologist (‘professional’) back them up (after being corrupted) and help them justify their decision to stop contact all together and get rid of me, even if it mend sanctioning the emotional rape of a young child by her psychopath mother.

Naive and hopeful as I still was then, I trusted that the psychologist/report writer would surely figure out what was going on and write so in her report but I didn’t count on how corrupt everybody really was.

So when the report writer interviewed me her second sentence was: The court CfC) has told me you are a monster (!!! – Report writer had 20 minute conversation with CfC before interviews, as listed in her report/timesheet).

(Dumb for her just to have said that hence always carry a voice recorder, secretly, even if not for the court then for the complaint to the Psychologists Board)

And two sentences later she said: “I will recommend to the court that no more physical contact between father and child should happen”(???!!!!!!!!!!).

She said that before she had even interviewed our daughter (or observed father and child together).

Then she even tried to talk me out of having supervised contact (the interview was before supervised contact restarted) because it would not be good for my daughter because she clearly hated me so much “ra ra” and because my head was spinning by now I said I would think about it.

It became clear to me a day later that this had been part of the strategy of CfC that he had talked to the report writer about because he had wanted (see blackmailing) that no more contact whatsoever occur.

The report writer then send a letter to court asking for my consent for cancelling supervised contact but she lied to the court by saying that cancelling supervised contact had been my idea, and gave me credit for being so considered…ra ra. She of course lied so that she couln’t be quoted later on having disagreed with the judge’s original suggestion of reinstating supervised contact.

So supervised contact started again but nothing I tried seemed to change the attitude of my daughter towards me permanently and it was clear to all the neutral people involved what really was happening.

(Most people at the Supervised Contact Agency CARE Solutions in Nelson became neutral (after initially not seeming so) ones I told them the story about my discovery of the first CfC’s serious conflict of interest for over 3 years and the court having swept that fact under the carped and the consequent persecution of me for wanting justice and therefore the court being exposed as corrupt)

But one or two people at CARE Solution I am sure worked together with CfC/court because they told lies about me to the court, invented stories and tried to give me a bad name. (CfC surely had talked to them like he had to the report writer and everybody else who had something to do with my daughter and me e.g. first report writer (see part 1), Counsellor, schoolteacher etc.)

So a 2-day hearing was next on the list and this time it didn’t take 22 month of waiting for it like a previous one. 2 month later it was all on and I tested the court on the issue of whether they would postpone the hearing again like they had done previously because a complaint about CfC was presently before the court, but this time they didn’t delay it so it was clear that the court had broken the law on the first occasions and that they had used that just as an excuse to delay the hearing and suspend the consequent contact for as long as possible (over 2 years).

The judge then at the hearing, as expected, stopped all physical contact between my daughter and me for the foreseeable future.

The only contact allowed is by writing letters, email etc. and twice a year supervised contact for her birthday and Christmas none of which my daughter will attend because she has been brainwashed into hating me (Self-pity is not an issue for me).

BTW, I also put two official written complaints to the court about the report writer and CfC and got confirmation from the court that they received those complaints yet the judge violated the law of court again by simply ignoring those complaints completely.

And because the judge sanctioned and encourages the emotional rape of the child by her mother, he therefore is guilty of it him himself together with the other two judges, the two CfCs and the last report writer.

NOBODY ABUSES MY DAUGHTER AND GETS AWAY WITH IT.

After all that is part of my responsibility as a father and I take that responsibility very seriously.

I haven’t even changed into 3.gear yet and just got going in 2. (2. Gear is a bit tedious but 3. gear will be a lot more fun (5 Speeds!).

A few nice quotes to finish off with:

If you always put limit on everything you do, physical or anything else, it will spread into your work and into your life. There are no limits. There are only plateaus, and you must not stay there, you must go beyond them. B.L.

A fight is not won by one punch or kick. Either learn to endure or hire a bodyguard. Forget about winning and losing; forget about pride and pain. Let your opponent graze your skin and you smash into his flesh; let him smash into your flesh and you fracture his bones; let him fracture your bones and you take his life. Do not be concerned with escaping safely – lay your life before him. B.L.

All 5 parts of the presentation of the corruption of the Nelson FC here are compiled together at: standupforkidsnz.blogspot.com

Cheers to everybody at MENZ.

41 Responses to “Holocaust in hollow court or the 3rd world standard of the Nelson fc”

  1. tren (Christchurch) says:

    Max I feel for u. What is happening to you is not a mistake.
    These are consistent Family Court mechanics all over New Zealand.
    They are required to serve a quota (2075 something) of protection orders every year to appease the gender lobby.

    Be strong and determined. Do not give up (I recommend you see a south African movie Skin ) there is a lot to be learnt from it.

    More importantly do not let them lead you where they want you to end: commit an act of violence (Soviet methods). That is their goal.

    Protection orders are barbaric and fascist in essence.

    Yesterday I was told about a Chinese woman who called the police to report that her Professor husband has hit her. The police came, armed with the new restraining orders, ordered him to go to the police station where he spent the next 5 days. After that he came back home to his wife and 3 children. He made up with his wife.

    Note. No without notice protection order is made by a senseless judge, no high impact affidavit submitted to the court on behalf of the gender lobby, no violence course, no lawyer for child, no s133 report, no supervision no no no etc. Cost to the tax payer? few meals at the police station. This is not a bad approach.

    Contrast with the Chinese man who, 3 years ago, killed his wife and run away with his daughter which he left at Melbourne airport.
    Prior to that that man was served with a protection order sponsored by Women’s Refuge. They have surely driven the man to the wall to commit the irreparable.

    Contrast with the barbaric and fascist protection orders.

    Fathers can defeat the Family Court by sabotaging the way it works if they follow the following steps. The Family Court is defeat-able and reformable.

    (Note: If you are violent the following does not apply to you)

    0) REPRESENT YOURSELF.
    1) IGNORE THE Other party. The enemy is the system. Direct your discontent at them. Let them know that they destroyed your family.

    2) Lawyers will advise you to not show your emotions in your affidavit. On the contrary Do and say what you think to the point.

    3) DO NOT VOTE. You cannot vote for a system that is committing horrendous violence against you.

    4) Find 2 good people (friends) to coach you through this process
    Seek advice from them, show them your affidavits etc

    5) Avoid seeing an MP. A total waste of time. (Family Court is taboo)

    6) Do not be ashamed of the circumstances. If you represent yourself in due time you will be proud of yourself. representing yourself will strengthen your persona.

    7) Tell anyone who is willing to lesson about your case. The mafiosi antics of the Family Court need to be exposed.

    8) Be yourself. Good natured and calm.

    9) Any Family Court lawyer advice is bad: avoid it or do the opposite. Use your judgment.

    10) At the hearing do not admit to anything. Anything you say is ammunition for the judge who is your enemy. You do not tell the truth to the devil. I am sorry this is the lesson I learnt from the Family Court. I mistrust the lot of them.

    11) Refuse to do the violence course. If you do it means you admit to being violent. I did this course and the Lawyer for the child told me that attending the course is admitting to being violent)
    I reckon that I am a coward for doing that course.

    12) Do prepared. You are not in it to win. They lie at every corner.

    13) Do prepared not to accept what they ask you to do (ambush).
    (Say they ask you to go to a parenting course. If you do and complete it. It proves to them and to me that you have issues and you needed that course)

    14) Be prepared. The Family Court breaks the law at every corner.

    15) At all time remain calm, strong and determined.
    16) Do not talk or negotiate with the other party’s lawyer.
    17) Refuse any counselling.
    18) Do encourage and praise any one in the family court that is doing a good job.


    100)
    Best solution yet is complete dis-engagement. I have not done it as I did not know better. I am contemplating it right now.

    Come to this site and voice your concerns.
    (Circumstances are different)

    I make a recommendation: When talking about feminists please use the word gender lobby. A feminist is a woman that fights for same rights and duties as men. The Gender lobby is a lobby of woo-men and half-men intent on squashing men.

  2. KiwiInThailand says:

    Terrible terrible story MAX

  3. John Brett says:

    Good advice Tren. Learn how to fight to win. Few men are strong enough to carry this off sucessfully, and finding good friends is harder- most “normal” people cower at ‘authority’.
    I would put as first step,
    to reassure yourself of your RIGHTNESS, to psyche yourself up as before a game, a match or a fight. Anyone who opposes you is clearly acting in an abusive manner- abusing your children- so say so at every opportunity.

    For example- In my case CYFS held a “Family Group Conference” but without me, the father for 23 years. I took pleasure in reminding them at every opportunity that they had FAILED TO HOLD A FAMILY GROUP CONFERENCE AS THEY ARE REQUIRED TO UNDER THEIR ACT
    For example- I continually referred to their “Culture of abuse”
    For example, when I heard that criminal charges had been laid, I marched into the Police Station, and in a loud voice asked when they would like to arrest me.

    Max- hold your head up high, be proud and confident, let your daughter know how much you love her at every chance you get.

  4. tren (Christchurch) says:

    John Thanks for your support.

    Yes one needs strong and committed friends.

    The approach I sketched above has worked impeccably for me. I got stronger and made me a far better person. A closed system like the Family Court will feast on a week, yes sir type people.

    Fathers should concentrate their efforts on the real culprit: the Family Court. Women are not at fault here. They are just using a system that is serving them well. The gender lobby is just a distraction.
    In contrast, in Saudi Arabia, the system exclusively serves men. That is bad

    New Zealand deserves better.

  5. Tony says:

    I have been following Max’s post and have just read his latest article “Holocaust in Hollow Court”: Seriously interesting!
    I have been involved in a few cases with the Family Court in Nelson. I can’t divulge the source of my information but feel it is important to mention the key players in this saga.
    The first Counsel for Child’s name was Allan Little.
    The second Counsel for Child’s name was Hamish Riddoch.
    The first Judge’s name was Whitehead.
    The second Judge’s name was Grace.
    The third judge’s name was Russell.
    There was also a Judge Johnson involved.
    The second report writer’s name was Fiona Henderson.

  6. Darryl X says:

    The only thing needed for evil to win is good to do nothing.

    If you’re not preparing to overthrow with armed rebellion such a tyrannical regime that rules the developed world with an iron fist, then you’re not doing anything. These people are snatching our children and holding them hostage for ransom if we cannot pay and then imprisoning us. There is no peaceful way to defeat malignant narcissists and psychopaths and their enablers. There is no legal, political or social solution to our dilemma. Their behavior spells the collapse of civilization world-wide. You must fight. Sooner or later. Laws already exist that address our concerns. They are ignored and indeed used against us. If you draft new ones, they will be used against us too. They certainly will not help, so it’s a waste of time to lobby for them. Fight, damn you men, fight!!!! It’s your only way. Why do you continue wasting time on activities that have already been proven time and time again throughout history to be ineffective? FIGHT!!!

  7. Darryl X says:

    The only thing needed for evil to win is good to do nothing.

    If you’re not preparing to overthrow with armed rebellion such a tyrannical regime that rules the developed world with an iron fist, then you’re not doing anything. These people are snatching our children and holding them hostage for ransom if we cannot pay and then imprisoning us. There is no peaceful way to defeat malignant narcissists and psychopaths and their enablers. There is no legal, political or social solution to our dilemma. Their behavior spells the collapse of civilization world-wide. You must fight. Sooner or later. Laws already exist that address our concerns. They are ignored and indeed used against us. If you draft new ones, they will be used against us too. They certainly will not help, so it’s a waste of time to lobby for them. Fight, damn you men, fight!!!! It’s your only way. Why do you continue wasting time on activities that have already been proven time and time again throughout history to be ineffective? FIGHT!!!

  8. MAX says:

    Tren my friend, I like your attitude… you have previously mentioned ‘complete dis-engagement from the court’ as a solution. That would solve a whole lot of problems at once and just imagine if everybody did that…(that would also piss the lawyers, judges and report writers off… ‘where is my money…’) but it’s a hard one because e.g. I would not have been able to see my daughter for 5 years…

    Btw, you talk about a protection order…I never had one served on me.

    Self-pity is not a problem for me..I am fine. And because I have done everything in my power…my conscience is clear and that is very important for my psychological health. But I feel for my daughter and therefore for all children that I know have been, are and will be going trough the totally unnecessary suffering their parents put them trough.
    And I agree also about ‘not being in it to win’… expectations (addictive programming) cause unhappiness anyway…(yes, maybe I would prefer to win (preferable programming) but I dont have to win for myself to be happy…)

    …and like Murray B. always says ‘dont take them seriously’…

    My strategy is different anyway e.g. when I am finished with ‘THEM’ they will think about it twice before being corrupt again and ripping off and abusing more children and fathers because it will be less ‘Hassle’ for them to do the right thing to start off with…
    Anger is given to humans for fighting injustice…
    But my aim here is not trying to change the system.
    “You never change things by fighting the existing reality. To change something, build a new model that makes the existing model obsolete”(‘Bucky’).

  9. MAX says:

    Cheers John…, great also what you said: “Anyone who opposes you is clearly acting in an abusive manner- abusing your children- so say so at every opportunity.”

    Maybe together with ‘Tren’ and others we should start something like : 10(0) ways to drive judges, lawers and report writers grazy in FC. (The FCC (Family Court Cartoon)
    Second best option after complete dis-engagement.

  10. MAX says:

    It is always interesting to check out what ‘Harry’ has to say about things like that Darryl X:
    http://www.angryharry.com/esNoMensGroups.htm ,
    here is an small extract:
    “And perhaps we only need to remember two things in order to appreciate that the MM can, and will, succeed.

    1. A tiny virus can kill an elephant.

    2. 50% of the population are men.

    And so while it is true that huge forces need to be overcome, and continually overcome, in order for the MM to prevail, and for men’s organisations to grow and to become successful, it seems to me that the groundwork for these developments is already being done – right here, right now – and that the internet is going to provide support for the growth of a very large male consciousness; one that is self-reflective, self-aware and, indeed, extremely powerful.

    And there will surely soon come a point when there are enough committed and effective MRAs in action to wage very significant wars against those who hurt men.

    And to win them.

    Indeed, in my view, just a few thousand such activists would probably be sufficient to turn the tide completely.

    Furthermore, I believe that those MRAs who are active on the internet, and who are good at what they do, should take heart, for in the coming years the MM will certainly grow in power and, hence, wealth, and those who are clearly known to be useful to its development are bound to be rewarded in one way or another.

    Their websites and their articles might become much more popular. Their speeches and their TV appearances might be more in demand. Their graphics and video skills might become more profitable. Their legal and therapeutic services might be more requested. And so on.

    There will be many ways in which such MRAs can benefit from all their hard work.

    In conclusion, therefore, there have been unimaginably huge forces at work throughout the past century which have undermined, at every level, the chances of developing any groups or organisations concerned with the well-being of ‘men’.

    Now, however, these forces are slowly being countered by MRAs. And while it might yet take many more years before strongly-influential formal men’s organisations finally materialise, the consciousness that is the MM will soon start exerting a very powerful force that is concerned with the well-being of men.

    And – certainly for the moment – this persistent and ever-growing force – this consciousness – will arise mostly through general activism via the internet; rather than through the typical activities of more formal organisations.

    Furthermore, while the internet remains available, this process cannot be stopped.

    From an activist point of view, therefore, the current primary goal should be to increase both the depth and the spread of this consciousness throughout the minds of as many men as possible.”—

    Well, this is what Harry has to say about violence in certain circumstances: http://www.angryharry.com/esWhyViolenceIsOftenJustified.htm

    But to get somewhere some HEAT does need to be created, Harry again: http://www.angryharry.com/esgeneratingheat.htm

    In fact this whole site has got some good links in respect to fighting for…our children, the future..

    http://www.angryharry.com/esEffectiveActivism.htm

  11. MAX says:

    Isn’t it amazing, ‘Kiwi in Thailand’, what they think they can get away with…doing to our children…to our country (the late Laurie O’Reilly, Commissioner for children from 1994 until his death in 1996, : “The most serious problem facing NZ is children growing up in fatherless homes.”) …with our money…

  12. Darryl X says:

    As always, I continue to support and promote peaceful activism, while realizing it can’t hurt. But for so long, it hasn’t worked either. Our adversary is a parasite of a highly orgnanized civilization. It is indifferent, indeed it is completely oblivious, to our plight. It will plod along satisfying its addictions any way it can, trafficking children and enslaving men. I am not optimistic about a peaceful solution. The sheeple we are opposing have brains that work differently than ours. They are not humans – they are zombies. Appealing to them isn’t going to matter. These are malignant narcissists. Your appeal to them only affirms for them their success and encourages them to proceed with even more fierce tenacity and persistence and woeful disregard for others. These people’s brains are incapable of empathy, analysis, shame, guilt, reason, pity, remorse. They are mindless automatons whose only goal ever is to satisfy their addictions at any expense. They cannot think or make responsible decisions. And they simply will not stop until you are out of the gene pool. They don’t care about your children. They don’t care about you. They don’t care about civilization. All they care about is satisfying their addictions and using you and your children to do that. They are con-artists, who know how to do nothing but con. It’s what they do. Remember the movie the Crying Game and story at the end about the frog and the scorpion. This is what these people are. They are monsters. They have no sense of humanity to which an appeal may be made. You do not understand what you are dealing with. I admire anyone who promotes a peaceful settlement to a dispute among reasonable people, capable of analysis and empathy. But that is not what we are dealing with. We are dealing with the zombie were-wolf feminists of the Apocalypse. And their enablers. Does everyone on this site understand what we are dealing with? Or are you all still stuck in the delusion that our adversaries are like us and have brains that think like ours? They don’t. The only way to appeal to them is with the discharged business end of a large format weapon. It’s them or us. Time is running out – actually it ran out. We are in the stage of damage control now. And not doing very good. As a matter of fact, we are getting our asses kicked all over the place. But I still appreciate your efforts. Just wish you’d try something a little more… dramatic.

  13. Skeptik says:

    Daryl,
    I appreciate your immense frustration.
    I feel that way too having been badly damaged by feminism in NZ.
    I lost a child who I haven’t seen hide nor hair of in over 15 years, was shattered at the false allegations leveled against me and men in general, got shafted mightily at university and suffered the slings and arrows of the most blatant forms of misandry there for decades.
    Luckily I had the good sense and opportunity to leave NZ and head overseas telling close friends before I left that I was doing so because I was sick and tired of the death by a million feminist cuts I was experiencing in NZ.
    The daily rituals of male bashing were definitely detrimental to my health and to the health of others who had their eyes open regarding the place and culture.
    Everything from misandric greetings cards, books and paraphernalia found in stores, laws, social conventions, large parts of academia and the judiciary system, through to the so called ‘human rights commission’ and government agencies was frighteningly anti-male.
    I have no doubt that most of what I experienced there still exists to this day.
    I shudder at the thought of ever setting foot on NZ soil whilst I see so much unconscious bigotry and hatred towards men.
    Nobody would want men to attain long overdue human rights in NZ more than I, yet I cannot agree to condone the kind of violence you’re promoting as a sensible solution.
    Here’s why.
    I think the people who come to the MENZ site and post regularly are to varying degrees very aware of the immense oppression males in NZ suffer. That’s clearly reflected in their postings and comments. But the sad fact is that MOST NZers aren’t. Most NZers appear distracted by other interests and concerns.
    It therefore makes sense to me for protests to take place which give the general NZ public a much needed ‘wake up and smell the coffee!’ call.
    That’s already happened to some degree with the demonstrations that have taken place outside of family court houses, the homes of family court staff and certain Ministers of Parliament’s homes too. Ordinary everyday NZers were reached with the message men wished to express that way. You can see it by watching the youtube videos of such demonstrations where people driving past the demonstrators holding placards which say ‘Honk your horn if you agree and support our cause’ do indeed regularly get car horns honking at them.
    Gone from the shelves of shops are the misandric ‘trinkets’ I encountered there in the 80s and 90s. Academic feminists ARE being pubicly and robustly challenged and exposed.
    Slowly a giant is stirring from it’s sleep despite NZers deeply ingrained ‘it’ll be right’ apathetic attitude.

    Warren Farrel, a Men’s Movement writer I admire allot once said that of all the civil rights movements the Men’s Rights movement would be the slowest to evolve and reach it’s goal of gaining human rights for men. He said it was because males had become in his view through eons of partner selection hard-wired to be independent, providers and protectors for women. Professor Lionel Tiger says much the same thing. What this means is that men have to overcome the biological drive to give women whatever it is they wish and literally evolve into a different kind of man. I intuit that this is the case and is apparently what’s happening. Too bad it’s taking so long and many millions of people (mostly men) have and will I fear continue to be badly damaged until the transition is complete.

    Now I don’t wish to come across as “Oh, hey everybody! Look at me! I’ve made the transition. I’m so evolved!” I still slip and give women the soft treatment I would never give a man occasionally – before realizing and kicking myself for doing so mind you!

    This is all a long winded way of saying yes, let there be more dramatic action taken, and much more frequently until the general public are as aware of men’s rights issues as folks at MENZ are. But guns, bombs and other weapons of violence? No, I cannot face myself in the mirror and say I agree with that. Not when there’s even incrementally raising levels of awareness about Human rights for men in NZ.
    Perhaps I’m deluded and selling my brothers down the river by taking that view. Who knows?
    Time will tell if the rumblings of the conscionable and intelligent folks of NZ get crushed under the Iron boot of a renaissance of feminism. But every fiber of my being tells me violence only begets more violence and I do not wish to see NZ turned into a civil war zone split along lines of sex.
    I like to think I’m right about this and that much as most NZers stood up to the leviathan USA government and said “No, we don’t want your nuclear powered ships and nuclear weapons in our ports” they will eventually do the sensible thing by boys and men.
    But I don’t have some magical crystal ball and can’t mind-read the public of NZ so can’t be sure.
    However, I’m fairly certain of something related to your post about the gene pool.

    Feminists drive to further and further oppress men will inevitably backfire on them.
    Imagine a country where all the men are either in jail because they’re basically ‘too masculine’ and the rest are deeply feminized. Sort of crosses between manginas, sensitive new age guys and metrosexuals.
    I know, I know. It’s a bizarre Kafkaesque vision to have, but I cannot fault the logic that if feminists have their way with all their propaganda and sex partner selection that’s what will eventuate. Such a subjugated and feminized manhood (if indeed you could even call it manhood) would be akin to having a nation comprised of mostly incredibly narcissistic women and emasculated himbo (think male bimbo) ‘males’.
    I’m not a genetics expert by any stretch of the imagination, but still would hazard a guess and say that’s not a gene pool that’s going to last for very long.

  14. MAX says:

    Wow Tony, what can I say?

  15. Darryl X says:

    I’m still with you and agree with everything you say, except that we’re not dealing with people. We’re dealing with an animal that exhibits a very primitive behavioral response that obviously violates laws and constitutions and civility and public health. It just responds automatically to its addictions. That animal is not capable of reason or analysis or empathy or guilt or pity or shame. So, appealing to it in any way is futile. I guess what bothers me about the current approach in NZ is lack of a flow chart or strategic map to show where we are and we want to be and how we expect to get there. My preferred way has a very simple flow chart or map – kill ’em all and let God sort ’em out and resume civilization. Not too complicated. I’ve never seen your way work before – ever. In Germany, peaceful protests against the Nazis were unthinkable. In India, peaceful protest against the English is now well understood to be an unmitigated disaster. And so on. In the US (I don’t know if you had this same experience in NZ), during the early ’90’s, women coordinated and participated in “Take Back the Night Marches”. Hundreds (if not thousands) of women marched down narrow streets of towns like Fort Collins, CO (where I used to live) screaming the most horrible misandrous crap you could imagine. It was a very scary spectacle. I realized then that I was not going to survive in the US. I married, understanding what the prospects of its survival were, and knowing the cost of making it survive (a bad example to my children). Both options were very bad and required absolute acquiescence to feminism, if I were to survive. My entire life has been spent trying to survive the on-slaught of feminism. When I was a little boy in elementary school, the things the female teachers imposed upon us boys, solely because of our sex, was unthinkable. These people are horrible. Now, as a professional, I even have a female supervisor harassing me in the workplace not even bothering to disguise her blatant attempt to terminate me and replace me with a female. You might think that this is wrong and how can she get away with it, but she is. I do not understand how you can go without seening your children for so long. For me it’s been 3.5 years, but it seems like forever. Don’t know how much more I can go. Which is why I am so persistent in encouraging not so much violence (as I do not believe justified war is violent) so much as necessary response to inhumane behavior. And that it happen fast. The faster it happens, the faster so many children can be united with their fathers. One thing that has been missing from public discussions about child snatching is that someone has to tell children (give them permission if you will) that it is OK for them to love their fathers. Because I do not believe many understand that it is OK. They have been indoctrinated and conditioned and brainwashed to believe that they must hate their fathers. There ought to be a compaign that tells children it is OK to love your fathers. YOu can’t stop feminism without a bloody war. And I’m sure it will come to that some day. Soon. And I admire attempts to change child support – although it is a mechanism that should not exist at all, so changing it only validates it in a way. So, I even think that is a waste of time. But one thing that can be done, whether there is agreement on these other topics or not, is that we can tell our children it is OK to love your fathers. Most children do not realize it is OK. They are afraid to. Afraid that if they do, they will not be “accepted”. I’m sorry you have not seen your children for so long. Do they know that if is OK to love you. Have you had any contact with them?

  16. Darryl X says:

    The consequences of male selection you envision is very real and accurate. But it is just what we were before civilization. When there was no marriage (and no civilzation, as marriage is widely recognized by anthropologists and historians, etc… to be the catalyst of civilization), humans organized as castes. Eighty percent of women mated with 20% of men. Now, these were the most “masculine” of men, although not all that bright generally. Or, at least, that is not how women selected men back then. Women selected men based upon a combination of physical and behavioral characteristics. There were not enough of these “alpha” males to promote advancement of their culture or society as a civilzation with their labor. So, marriage was invented as an incentive for “beta” males to contribute. They were given access to females, to which they were previously denied, in exchange for their labor, which was enough to advance civilization (that particular culture or society). However, women have continued to do what they have always done, adulter – cheat. So, they continue to select men for mating based upon characteristics that do not promote civilization and continue to violate the premises of marriage and civilization. Laws used to be enforced that kept women in line and from violating marriage and civilization and were allowed to cooperate in advancing civilization. As you have pointed out, we are now devolving and women continue to select men that do not promote civilization and cannot do it themselves (either because they do not comprise a critical mass of numbers or they do not possess the intelligence, as men are not selected by women for their intelligence – women want men they can control and an intelligent man cannot be controlled). That’s why women hate men like us and love stupid “alpha” males they can control. If society continues giving women what they want, it will continue to devolve. An important part of civilization has always been keeping women in their place, as they are incapable of the degree of thought necessary for keeping themselves in place. Laws were created in civilization to protect it from women. That is true for the Church and even the market place to a degree. Women cannot be expected to participate in the Market or Government or the Church or Families without huge external constraints on their behavior, because they cannot control their own behavior like most men can (80% “beta” males). The 80% of women that mated with the 20% “alpha” males before civilization began were (are) psychopaths – mindlessly pursuing their addictions without regard for civilization or society – and that is exactly where we are headed if something is not done immediately. Our economies are already collapsing, solely as a result of feminism, although no one want to admit it – they are afraid. We are deevolving back to a caste organization of “alpha” and “beta” males and selection of 80% of women for stupid “alphas” is institutionalized in law now, accelerating that deevolution. As much as I support and wish there could be a peaceful solution to our dilemma, I don’t think there is one. Unless women are evicted from Government, the Market and the Church, and are regulated heavily in the Family, we are doomed. Women should not be allowed to own property, have jobs or vote. These things are very important for civilizatio to persist, as has been demonstrated throughout history. It cannot be done peacefully or in stages, but must be done in one massive act without deliberation or mercy and must be executed with extreme prejudice. But as usual I support a peaceful approach until a critical mass of men have come to their senses and realize it is no longer effective. In order for civilization to persist, marriage must me encouraged and supported. But it is not. The female feminists and their male enablers (“alpha” males) are getting what they want. And they are not going to submit to peaceful protests. They currently have all the benefits of civilization without help of “beta” males. They would rather pursue the contribution of “beta” males through slavery than through marriage. And that is where we are today. Eighty percent of males are slaves.

  17. Darryl X says:

    So, I guess what I’m saying, is that activiites of feminists and their enablers will NOT “backfire” on them, as prior to four-thousand years ago, when marriage was introduced to promote or advance civilization, we existed as a caste system for millenia and feminists and their enablers were content with that. I want to believe what you are suggesting, but I don’t. Does my argument make sense? Do you agree or disagree with it? I’m curious about your perspective of my observations, as I think it is important for shaping this movement and helping me put my thoughts in perspective as I decide where I fit in and invest my efforts. Thanks in advance, and I appreciate your thoughts.

  18. Skeptik says:

    Hi Daryl,
    and thanks for taking the time to give such a full reply.
    There’s another factor I didn’t mention before.
    It had slipped my mind, but it’s something I imagine will turn the whole mating dynamic on it’s head. Namely the soon to be introduced male pill.
    I’ve seen the immense power the female pill and abortion has given to women – the first ever people en masse in all of human history to have absolute control over reproduction.
    That’s a gigantic power used and abused daily by a group fanatical about sexualizing themselves with whole multi-billion dollar industries that didn’t exist until very recently in history.
    But the bubble appears about to burst which is why the feminists and women in general are SO INCREDIBLY SILENT ABOUT ONE TOPIC. The male pill.
    I reckon there will be two distinct periods we can look back on. The period of the female only birth control pill and the period to come soon of the male birth control pill.
    The latter period will be the start of a MASSIVE sociological shift with seismic cultural ramifications we can only hazard guesses at. One thing seems certain to me though – it will mean that men rather than women act as the genetic filters for humanity evolution because they, rather than women will be the ones deciding by switching their fertility on and off at will which genes get carried forward.
    It is coming soon and will revolutionize everything.
    For more information you can

    go here


    Even at this very early stage of development this new contraception for men has reportedly shown NO side effects and can be taken once a month or once every three months.

  19. Skeptik says:

    Hi again Daryl X.
    here’s another initiative this time being worked on in India and USA, alongside the amazing new discovery from Tel Aviv University in Israel.

    It is reportedly effective as a male birth control for up to ten years and then quickly reversible! Some folks have said because the new procedure would only have to take place every 10 years there’s very little energy amongst pharmaceutical companies to explore it, let alone bring it to market. However there is plenty enough interest in India where low cost long term contraception for men is looked at differently than might be the case in the affluent west. The Indian government is funding research on it as we speak.
    I suspect if one were to look further globally other indigenous efforts which use biotechnical rather than mechanical methods (like the condom) are underway also.
    I’ll keep you posted if I discover anything of that nature.

    Incidentally these jokes brought a smile to my face today –
    My apology in advance to all French people:

    Best prank ever!
    Let’s crush up these pills and start putting it in the food we export.
    We’ll start with France!

    UK Guardian Headlines : May 2020
    French Population in massive decline.
    France decides to disband its Military – World doesn’t notice
    ………………………………………………………

    More study is necessary:
    The Penis Study In 1997, Harvard USA funded a study to see why the head of a
    penis was bigger than the rest of it. After one year and $180,000.00,
    they concluded that the reason the head was larger than the shaft was to
    give the man more pleasure during sex.

    After the U.S. published the study, Sweden decided to do their own.
    After $250,000.00, and 3 years of research, they concluded that the
    reason was to give the woman more pleasure during sex.

    Poland , unsatisfied with these findings, conducted their own study.
    After 2 weeks and a cost of around $75.46, they concluded that it was to
    keep a man’s hand from flying off and hitting him in the forehead.
    ………………………………………………………………..

    For these and other (some very inane, some thought provoking) comments you can go here.

    Of course bear in mind the comments are only general and not about the amazing new discovery from Tel Aviv University in Israel.

  20. KiwiInThailand says:

    `You are great writer too, skeptik, keep it up

  21. Skeptik says:

    Thanks Kiwi in Thailand.
    Always glad to share a little hope and good news.

  22. Darryl X says:

    Wow. Dunno if I’m ready for the New World Order. Too many pills running around to mask people’s idiocy. At least we won’t be breeding anymore.

  23. John Brett says:

    Re the contribution by Sceptic male contraceptive pill:
    I note the following words in the linked article:

    A big drawback against men being in control of fertility is the fear they would forget to take a pill.

    Polls have repeatedly shown wives and partners do not trust their men to remember to pop a pill every day.

    Is that statement not the height of sexism?

    Could we equally say:
    A big drawback against women being in control of fertility is the fear they would forget to take a pill.

    Polls have repeatedly shown husbands and partners do not trust their women to remember to pop a pill every day.

  24. Skeptik says:

    Daryl,
    Yes Wow!
    A New World Order indeed. You took the words right out of my mouth.
    Well, most of the words anyone.
    I keep thinking back to the novel and movie Which first got me thinking about such matters many years ago – Brave New World by the brilliant Auldous Huxley.
    He foresaw fertility and genetics technology (eugenics) being used by people in future from as far back as the 1940s if my memory of dates is correct.
    Which leads me to another important realization.
    It has been noted by many that with war always comes the invention of new technologies, many of which eventually benefit humanity in times of peace.
    For example the 2nd world war spawned radar, certain advancements in computerization, the jet engine, the hovercraft, modern day rocketry and the Atomic bomb.
    With feminists prolonged and ongoing war on males it might just be that technologies created for protecting males are being developed as we speak. A case in point may be the new male birth control pills which protect men against reproductive enslavement.

    I have a different view to this

    At least we won’t be breeding anymore.

    My point is I imagine we WILL be breeding in future, perhaps not at the levels we are now, for which the greens knowledgeable of new male reproductive technology are already saying their happy about so that population stability or even reduction can be achieved.
    But here’s the nub – Men will be much more in control of reproduction than they are and have been since the advent of the female birth control pill.
    The days where men can easily be enslaved by reproductive entrapment (child tax and in USA alimony) will fade into the pages of history. For there’s no way men can be forced to breed with such powerful technology as their own NON HORMONAL contraceptive pill they take once every month or once every three month.
    I note also men can for a yearly fee and at a young age get their sperm frozen then later on in life use it to trigger a pregnancy decades later too.
    Your thoughts?

  25. Skeptik says:

    Yes John,
    It’s very sexist.
    indeed more sexist that the claim that – quote:

    A big drawback against women being in control of fertility is the fear they would forget to take a pill.

    because the new non hormonal male birth control pill only needs to be taken ONCE A MONTH OR ONCE EVERY THREE MONTHS. The Vas coating method being investigated by the Indian Government need only be a small procedure ONCE EVERY TEN YEARS!
    Plus there’s a HUGE INCENTIVE for men to remember to take it too. Unlike women who have the morning after pill, and I notice another 3 day after pill recently given FDA approval for market, once a man co-creates a pregnancy he’s held responsible for 18 YEARS OF CHILD TAX!

  26. Darryl X says:

    For sure. Both mothers of my children (I say mine, but in at least two of three instances, it’s not for sure), forgot to take their pill. Whether they did it deliberately to cover up their adultery is another story. Maybe.

  27. Skeptik says:

    The Male birth control pill plus DNA paternity testing (as cheap as $US79 stateside) is going to make women’s paternity fraud impossible too.

    Imagine a woman screwing around on her boyfriend or husband gets herself pregnant.
    She then goes after the boyfriend / husband for child tax.
    His simple reply is –
    Nope, you’re wrong there honey.
    I’ve been firing blanks (using the MBCP) since (date).
    So who’s the father?
    Tell me on the way out the door for a DNA check!

  28. Skeptik says:

    Daryl,
    one thing you may not know about NZ.
    If so I’m sure it’ll blow your mind!

    It’s illegal for a man to obtain a DNA paternity test and use it to present as court evidence to avoid being the victim of reproductive entrapment by a woman!

    Yep! You read that right.

    You cannot buy a DNA test kit anywhere in NZ and if you go to a NZ laboratory they won’t do it for you (by law!) either.
    No point in posting off for a test kit from the nearest country you can legally get a test kit from : Australia either. The judge (sic) won’t accept the results as evidence.

    How’s that for legalized misandry!!!!!!!

    Would you like a side dish of being kicked in the teeth and some fem-acid sauce with that sir?

  29. Hans Laven says:

    Skeptik, the Indian research looks promising. In contrast, the news release on the Israeli research may turn out to be premature ejaculation, with claims that the mice so far tested “were laughing and everything”, reference to the scientist’s “seminal” paper on the matter, and the scientist’s mention that he is looking for $10m. At best, the Tel Aviv research will take several times as long as the five years the scientist mentions before a human version could be on the market. I agree wholeheartedly though that a male birth control pill is likely to have a hugely equalizing impact on the genders.

    Interesting that the World Health Organisation (WHO) caused years of delay to the Indian research. WHO were also responsible for shoddy “violence against women” research that has been replicated in similar scientifically shoddy, misandrist fashion in many other countries, the results then used to expand the domestic violence industry at all its levels.

  30. Skeptik says:

    In addition to the breakthough in creating a male birth control pill in Israel and a Vas coating method in India it appears there’s a USA University working on a male birth control pill and a UK company currently actually at the trial stage with their version of the male birth control pill. Reports say their trial is part of a larger world wide trial.
    Links are here
    here
    and here.

  31. allen foster says:

    Yes, it is like this in some states of the US. Maybe all. At least in some instances, I man cannot get a paternity test AFTER a woman has snatched the children and identified him as the father. Even though I had developed suspicions about paternity of children I had been supporting, after my wife separated from me, it was too late. Also, you are probably familiar with a case that has been ongoing for considerable time in the state of Georgia (US). A man was imprisoned for child-support arrears for more than a year before a paternity test showed that he was not the real father. The State deliberated for another year, while the man was in still in prison, and courts still upheld his imprisonment, concluding that even though he was not the real father, he was still responsible financially for the child because he was married to the mother. The courts state clearly that they do not care about paternity, but only in assigning financial responsibility, despite and in explicit defiance of the Constitution. That the mother have any financial responsibility was irrelevant. Ultimately, the man was released from prison. Even after release, he was still held responsible for the arrears. So, yes, to some degree it is like NZ, but in the US, even if a DNA paternity test shows that a man is not the father, he is still responsible for paying. And the mother, who committed paternity fraud is not punished and has no responsibility or accountability for anything.

    As far as the studies about size of the glans on a penis, wow, who knew that was the only thing that kept my hand from slipping. And why did it cost $75?

  32. allen foster says:

    Although it was promoted as a mechanism by which women could take complete responsibility for their reproductive behavior, the Pill actually absolved women of any responsibility. I’m afraid a male pill would do the same for men. And even though the Pill for both sexes will absolve either men or women of any responsibility for reproduction and any children, there are other consequences. Neurotransmitters associated with sexual behavior in humans are addictive. There may be no children as a result of the pill for both sexes, but the kind of addictive behavior a pill for both sexes promotes and the escalating need for power and control and all the destructive behavior associated with satisfying that addiction and the escalating need and pursuit to satisfy it will be very destructive. The male pill is like a step-up in an arms race – it represents an increase in the stakes and potential consequences for all involved. As much as I think the Pill for women was a mistake and a disaster and needs to be addressed, I think a pill for men shows that men are lowering themselves to the level of women when it comes to failing to take responsibility in a meaningful way for our reproductive behavior. I think it’s neat technology and an interesting development, but I don’t think that men should take advantage of it. Sex is addictive and some people may be more prone to addiction to it than others, but addiction is addiction and the consequences are real, and abstainance is really the only solution – in my opinion. Believe me, I am the last person to preach abstainance, but I really do believe that the relationship between a man and a woman should be founded in something other than sex, and I’m afraid that a male pill will create a culture in which not only one sex but now both will have a hard time addressing the consequences of addictions. I don’t really have any meaningful relationships with women, but an important reason for that is most women with whom I associate want to use the power of their sexuality afforded by the pill to manipulate and control me and others. Women are often frustrated with me because I refuse to give them the power to which they feel the Pill entitles them. And it puts me at considerable disadvantage socially with other men who are willing to exploit this technology in satisfying their addiction. I’ve heard similar sentiments expressed by other men – although not articulated in such a refined way. I’m just afraid a male pill is another development in an arms race that should be deescalating and not escalating. I think the Pill for women should be eliminated. It was and still is a bad idea. In my opinion.

  33. Skeptik says:

    @ allan foster – says:

    I’m just afraid a male pill is another development in an arms race that should be deescalating and not escalating. I think the Pill for women should be eliminated. It was and still is a bad idea. In my opinion.

    In a real arms race what is produced are weapons which kills masses of people like nuclear bombs. How a birth control pill can be seen as such a weapon makes no sense to me unless you’re a very devout Catholic and believe using contraceptives is a sin and conception should be ‘in god’s hands’.
    I doubt there’s any way that women worldwide will agree to stopping their use of the female birth control pill and I’m delighted new birth control methods for men are being developed. It will be a huge boon for men currently without any legal reproductive rights throughout the Anglosphere and in many cases beyond.

  34. allen foster says:

    I am disappointed to agree with your assessment. But I defend my arms race analogy. Sex without any responsibility or consequences is destructive – it’s given women opportunities to use their sexuality as a form of entertainment without any consequences to keep expression of their sexuality in check. And to the extent their may be consequences, even those are transferred to the men. I agree that the analogy of the Pill to another step in an arms race is a bit lopsided, but I can’t think of a better one. Like all arms races, though, failure of the weaker side (in this instance, men currently without an equivalent of the Pill) to keep up with the stronger side (women with it) results in elimination of the weak (men in our current predicament, as many of us have found out), and so deescalation is not possible. Sigh… 8 ( However, I have a bad feeling that with a strong gender lobby, men will still be held responsible for problems that develop with a male pill. It just always seems to work out that way. I’m just afraid that it’s not going to turn out like we hope. But hope springs eternal.

  35. allen foster says:

    Oh, and the reason for my pessimism is explained in another post about paternity testing. In the US, even a man who is shown not to be the father of a child is still financially responsible for it. So, the mechanism to subvert or counter or deny any advantages of a pill for men are already in place in the US and likely will not be reversed for several life-times. That’s where I was going with my concerns I expressed about its effectiveness in my last post here. Sorry, I forgot this part. In a world in which reason predominates, you would be correct, but we aren’t in that world it seems, as you and many other men have already probably figured out. I hope things like this development have better implications for NZ – given the circumstances in the US, I don’t think we would be so fortunate.

  36. Skeptik says:

    Hi allen,
    You say :

    However, I have a bad feeling that with a strong gender lobby, men will still be held responsible for problems that develop with a male pill.

    What problems are you talking of and why feel bad?

    All I can see is an end to paternity fraud, mass abortion and men being exploited via ‘child support’ or as many of us Men’s Rights Activists prefer to call it child tax.
    There are many men in USA who are currently in jail because having fallen upon hard times they are unable to pay this tax.

    I can’t really see how men can be held responsible for ‘problems’ arising from the male birth control pill as it seems to me that men taking it are actually BEING RESPONSIBLE for their own reproductive power.
    I reckon the green movement will love it too as it will mean a reduction in birth rates and less stress on the environment.
    About the only folks I can see who’ll be upset will be lots of feminist women who enjoy their superior status to men and some religious types who don’t agree with any forms of contraception whatsoever.

  37. Skeptik says:

    In the US, even a man who is shown not to be the father of a child is still financially responsible for it.

    That’s Byzantine and I think it’s only a matter of time before this gets overturned by men who aren’t the real fathers suing individual states or even the federal government for false paternity, maybe even class action law suits in what you might call a ‘Roe Vs Wade moment’ for men.
    If I was a lawyer in the USA I’d fancy my chances of getting big money from such actions, so I’m optimistic.
    It will only take one high profile case and the house of cards will topple.
    Imagine if a Hollywood high flier or business tycoon sets a team of lawyers to the task of defending themselves against false state vested paternity. The media will have a field day too.
    I can see the late night comedy shows and FM shock jocks ripping judges and politicians who argue for the weird misandric status quo in some states to shreds. Rightly so.

  38. allen foster says:

    It already has been tried in a high-profile case. In Georgia (US). After a man spent two years in prison (I think – at least one) for failure to pay down arrears for child-support even though the child wasn’t his, the man was finally released from prison (finally, and the courts did it with considerable reluctance and without admission of any wrong-doing), but he is still encumbered with expectation of paying the arrears and child-support order. There hasn’t been any coverage of this development (the past couple years) because most of the media recognizes absolute power of the “gender lobby” (feminists), and will not touch it for fear that it will compromise their profits. Even late night talk show hosts, despite all the comic opportunities, fear the gender lobby so much they won’t joke about this case. The US is a very dark and scary place and people censor their words everywhere (even on the street) for fear that the tooth fairy is a feminist and will come take their teeth out during the night (ha ha, I think). But this case and many many others for which there is considerable record show that feminists in the US are so powerful that they have even preempted benefits of a male pill. There is no law here. And I’m afraid that without considerable effort, the same will happen in NZ. I’m hoping the economy will just collapse as a result of all this feminist nonsense already and things like this won’t matter anymore (I think you or someone else – maybe Hans – pointed this out in another post that the feminists have created so many problems that it will all just backfire on them – and us). There may have been some developments concerning the Georgia case that I am not familiar with, but they would be recent (like in the last six months) and I haven’t checked. So, if you’re curious, you can google it. I think I got some information about it from Glenn Sacks. Not many other sources, though. Like I say, it’s not well publicized. Despite the implications for a case like this, it’s as high profile as it gets and still wasn’t reported much.

  39. allen foster says:

    It’s all Byzantine (especially snatching and trafficking children), but no-one has stopped it yet.

  40. Skeptik says:

    I have several American male friends.
    My heart goes out to all you guys.
    I know as horrendous as it is in NZ, the situation for men in USA is even worse.
    Hopefully not for much longer as younger men are getting to grips with the situation that older men let be created. See here.

  41. allen foster says:

    Yep, that about sums it up. I actually consulted that site this past week.

    I appreciate your sympathy and compassion. It’s what will get us through all this together.

    And that’s why I watch what happens in NZ with considerable interest, so that you may show us the way. All it takes is a progressively-thinking country like NZ to change the course for the rest of the world. Good luck!!!

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