CYF, do they do anything useful??
OK, this is probably a rhetorical question and I would imagine that the answer is “no they are completely useless” , but my daughter is at risk and I don’t know where to turn.
I live in Australia and the mother has full custody thanks to the Family Court not noticing that she is full of BS and barking mad. My daughter and her mother both live in NZ. I have never in any way abused the mother but she goes out of her way to play the victim and e-mails from me saying things like; “will you be at the halfway point at 6.00 PM today with my daughter for her fortnightly access visit?”, were regarded as abuse by her and she took out a non-trespass order on me, wouldn’t answer the phone and blocked any communication I tried to have with my daughter. This has gone on for 2 and a half years now.
It goes without saying that the useless Family Court didn’t bother enforcing the Parenting Order because we MUST NOT have fathers involved with their daughters in any way at all despite all Court records saying I am a very good father. Anyway I’ve recently learned that she has kept my daughter out of school for the last 18 months. A couple of weeks ago I contacted CYFS about this and also raised other concerns I have about my daughter being verbally and emotionally abused by her barking mad mother (who has some sort of paranoid personality disorder). Not only does my daughter not go to school but she isn’t allowed to socialise with other kids because after all the world is a very bad place and she must stay home with mummy and keep her company. So far all I have seen from CYFS is paper shuffling and incompetence; for example wasting a week by referring the case to the wrong CYFS branch.
Has anyone out there had any experience of CYFS in a situation such as mine? A Differential Response Co-ordinator (whatever that is) is handling the case. My biggest fear is that they have the same gender bias as the FC and IRD CS and my concerns won’t be taken seriously because I am male. Also, if CYFS are completely useless are there any govt agencies I could turn to who may help? My main concern is that my highly intelligent daughter is having her potential snuffed out by her barking mad (still undiagnosed) mother and is likely prey for Internet predators. She’s 13 and is allowed to spend all day on the Internet. Her mother also has an unhealthy obsession with her and takes her to various psychologists and doctors with all kinds of alleged illnesses ranging from autism (not formerly diagnosed) to leg and arm deficits (doctor says her hamstrings are tighter than normal). Is it any wonder, she’s allowed to lie on the floor all day staring into a laptop screen instead of running around socialising with other kids and playing sport and going to school. Of course each alleged disability attracts extra money from the State which helps fund her mother’s beneficiary lifestyle.
I would appreciate any feedback you guys may have re this?
Had_Enough
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Oh Had-Enough, my heart breaks for you!!! the mother sounds like she has Munchhausen syndrome…
i so hope you can get some help via this site. CYFS are so useless…
have you tried writing to Minister of Children , mind you have no idea if they could help…
in which part of NZ does she live?
Hi Mum of Sons, thanks for the feedback. You’ve hit the nail on the head. I am sure she has Munchhausen Syndrome by Proxy but the retarded Family Court wouldn’t have a psychiatric evaluation done on her when Counsel for Child asked for it 3 years ago. My worry about CYF is that they are inhabited by highly PC idiots who are brainwashed into thinking that the child should always stay with the mother no matter how abusive she is. I would like to get custody of my daughter but would have to prove that she is in serious danger before the stupid FC would allow her to cross the Tasman and come and live with my wife and I.
Hi Had_Enough – I had a similar experience about 5 years ago. Don’t waste your time with CYFS – they have no jurisdiction over your daughter when she is in her mothers care. Your best bet is to track down the Department of Education in the area where your daughter lives and let them know what is going on. They are responsive and seem to “care” – certainly I got the right result for my daughter (i.e. back into school) within 24 hours of calling them. Haven’t the school she goes to done anything? Not a good look when they appear to be ignoring the absence of a 13 year old. Good luck.
Now there’s a good Idea, Also try the 0508 Family line. At least they record their calls. Ask Coral Burrows (Now deceased) how effective they are. Oh you have people offering to help. Be careful, they may be CYF sychophants.
Hi Bruce, yeah I will give the Dept of Ed a go. I know for a fact that they are currently threatening her with prosecution if she doesn’t send my daughter to school. They seem so slow to act though. It seems that if you are a barking mad mother you can get away with anything..
You are abusing the mother by continuously referring to her as being “barking mad.” Your “biggest fear” … sounds like you may be the one who is paranoid if you see all government departments as “useless” and it seems that you’re hell bent on having the mother declared mentally unfit – no wonder she’s paranoid. How, may I ask, is that of benefit to your daughter? You may be a good father, but it is clear from the tone of your writing that you fail abysmally at attempting to support in any, way, shape or form your daughter’s mother. Shame on you.
been a while since Wow trolled the site looking for a wind up.
Mits, – You sound like a so-called helping organisation I am aware of. Thats the way they get cilents, selectively approaching vunerable females but offering no support or encouragement to men!
@Wow,Certainly attack/refute the fact. Avoid the use of adjectives,Do not descend to personal abuse! or make diagnoses you are not qualified to do. Since when was a CYF Social Worker (Normall unqualified) entitled to make medical or psychological judgements.
Hi Gwahir, Fair call.
Im not aware of the so called “helping organisation” but I do get a bit annoyed with what appear to be predominantly females coming to this site which has the banner “promoting a clearer understanding of men’s experience” simply to have a go at some poor guy that has opened up on what ever injustices he has experienced.
In the past I have tried to engage with them for a rational conversation so I can begin to grasp what concepts they hold as evidence for the statements they have put here.
Usually to no avail as all they want to do is either attack the previous poster or vent their spleen about how bad females have it. So therefore I comment that I find such postings as a wind up or trolling exercise. I make no apology for it and if any of the posters I have labeled as such wish to engage in a rational debate without the name calling and vitriol then I would be more than willing to put more effort into posting a reply to them
cheers Mits
Very wise Mits, its difficult to argue with yourself. Here we can find plenty of healthy – If robust – Debate!
If I find real names and emails I block them on Face book then set my email client up to simply move all attemps to contact me to the spam folder!
Haha Wow, what a strange and debate stifling ethos the woman as victim model is. It’s a bit like living in Stalinist Russia and publicly criticizing the Stasi isn’t it. We must not criticize the dominant culture; I.e. man hating feminism. Did it occur to you for one minute that my daughter is also a woman and I am trying to protect her. But no the woman as victim ethos assumes that all men are perpetrators and all women are victims. Never mind the fact that my daughter is terrified of her mother who frequently bashes her and locks her in her room. Ive seen the bruises and my other 2 kids have witnessed this. By the way I have confirmation that Syf is completely useless. They visited my daughter and her mother but won’t tell me anything about it and the cyf moron obviously believed that the abuser was a victim. All cyf people involved were women by the way. Go The Sisterhood! Another child bashing mother saved from punishment, Yay.
Had_Enough
I hear ya Had Enough.
Years back I had a run in with this cypfs outfit. Hysterical woman with an obvious adgenda, no interest in the actual welfare of my child backed up by another woman who answered every question put to her on the proffessionalism of the person dealing with me with the stock answer of “whats your problem” every question ! I kid you not.
The only thing I discovered during the whole fruitless exercise was that politely asking a cypfs person what qualifications they hold to be in their position, translates to them as some horrible insult so bad that they they have to literally get hysterical, stand up, shout, have spittle fly from their mouths, rant on uninteligibly about abuse they have suffered, then storm out of the room’
Had to go through a lawyer using the Official information Act and Privacy Act to get any information out of them and then found it to be a pack of lies, innuendo and complete BS. Vowed then that I would never deal with them without video and audio recording of any meeting. As this is apparently against their policy I think it means that any dealings I would have with them in the future (god forbid) will be relatively short as while they are happy to record everything with their slant on it I think they actively prevent any victim from recording any meetings.
Mits
Re CYF Social Worker Registration:-
You can check on ANY social worker you like. Its a public register. Visit http://www.swrb.govt.nz
To become a registered Social Worker the candidate must attain an acceptable qualification, and undertake such training as is considered necessary to attain a certificate of competency. From this you can see that the term “Qualified Social worker” is an oxymoron.
The site also includes a statement of your rights. If you believe they have been breached Complain to the board! If you become the victim of an unregistered find the name of their supervisor. The board will investigate.
It’s all a bit like complaining to your mother-in-law about your wife.
I have been keeping a register of all CYF Social workers and checking the register. A little over 60% are unregistered
They are no longer required to cally Identification.
Remember document (Record) everything. Even Covert recordings though not directly admissabl can be used.
Do NOT sign any document supplied by them that only refers to section numbers in the act.
To these creatures, ALL males are rapists and child abusers hence must be liar’s.
Happy days
Yeah I checked and she wasn’t on there. She has a name that’s reminiscent of some fictitious fairy like thing that’s in children’s stories. I’m not sure if I’m allowed to mention her name on here or not. But, she has done nothing because of course the mother can only be a victim, not an abuser,, give me strength
Had_Enough
Social workers, are not a priviged species! If they can’t stand the heat. Stay out of the kitchen. Name and office please. I’ll add it to my Database!
Pixie Stockman from CYF, Hamilton East. I can’t criticise her for anything she did because she didn’t do anything at all
Done! Checked the Register, not registered. CYF seem to keep their Registered S/W’s in back office jobe and treat their unregestered staff as little better than cannon fodder. They exist only to break families up, not help!
The part that concerns me is that this CYF person seems to be more worried about the welfare of the mother than the welfare of the child she is paid to protect. It is a well known fact that abuse victims won’t say a word against their abusers and will often stick up for them. This is a survival mechanism because they have to live with the abuser after the welfare officer has gone home. That’s why a genuine professional, not an amateur, is needed to interview a child in my daughter’s situation. What the F! am I going to do now though? I doubt if the Police will help! My daughter has now been out of school since Nov 2011 and is being verbally and emotionally abused and there seems to be no authority in NZ that gives a s**t..
That is where the psych report and an L4C worthy of their fee are supposedly useful. Unfortunately CYF pay both, remember “He who pays the piper calls the tune.”
Im pretty sure that http://www.panic.org.nz can probably support you through this, we have a team of 12 now working on CYFS cases. We are so proud of how we have been going
@ Had_enough. Remember this is a completely open group and is regularly Tralled by CYF employees and informants!
You make a good point Gwahir!
Thank goodness most of ‘those’ sites that were run by nut bars are no longer in action! Nor do they need to look over others sites in an attempt to be superman.. mind you we would look much better in red tights than some others playing hero.
Hi Leigh,
As a nut bar I think I resent that.
Regards
Allan
Ohh Hi Allan .. long time!
Cheers Leigh
To clarify some points, Would you engage just anybody to connect Electricity to your house, or repair your household sewrage system, or for that matter to repair your car? So why should anyone engage an Unqualified “Social Worker”?
There is nothing stopping anybody from presenting themselves as Bill Blogs B.S.W. or similar. I note that on your website in your description you state “While training for Diploma in Social Services.” Did you achieve the diploma.
Is your group registered under the Charities act 2005? As we are all aware This offers a level of reassuranceto your clients. Would you be so kind as to quote your registration mumber?
You are aware of how to contact me. I would much prefer to take this out of the public arena. After reaching agreement (Even agreeingto differ) we han make a joint public statement.
Panic is registered society our registration number is 2559242. I remind you that you are NOT a lawyer but support by passing on what you know. You are NOT a social worker yet passes on that information. Where are your qualifications given you demand them from others.
I think my status is quite clear, Gwahir! I am a social worker
Hurts does it? Im am not prepared to take anything out of the public arena, because of the lies and BS of the past. Its important sometimes for dirty washing to be aired in public!
Thank you for that number. You may like to comment on why I c an’t find it at http://www.register.charities.govt.nz/CharitiesRegister/Search
I don’t believe I ever claimed to be a lawyer or social worker or openly practice as either.
In my own field of endevour were you to engage me You wou are entitled to, even advised to check my credentials!
I accept totally you are not aregistered Social Worker. I am NOT permitted under law to practice unless registered (Which I am at the highest level) AND hold a current practicing certificate (Which I allowed to lapse when I retired. It could be reinstated upun completion of a brief refresher course and payment of the appropriate fees)
I wish to terminate this discussion for the same reasons you appear to.
I was proud Leigh to call you my friend. My greatestwish is that thiscould resume. It isa great pity a malign influence has enteredboth our lives.
Yeh well u can blame yourself for that, for accommodating & feeding liars!
If you cannot find the number in there, that would mean you are looking in the wrong place.
Yawwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwnnnnnnnn leigh
I believe “Shafted says it all!
Yawwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwnnnnnnnn leigh
Sorry to bore all you folks But I do admit in this discussion I was wrong. Leigh’s organisation is incorporated under the Charitable Trusts Act 1957. Mistakenly thought it was under the Charities Act 2005.
The incorporation can be viewed at http://www.societies.govt.nz/cms/customer-support/learn-about-our-online-services/banner_template/SOCAGENT. The distinction is important for all.
Charitable trusts act 1957 http://www.legislation.govt.nz/act/public/1957/0018/latest/DLM308796.html
The Ccarities act 2005 http://legislation.govt.nz/act/public/2005/0039/latest/DLM344368.html?src=qs.
I do not intend to pursue this topic beyond reccomending both s valuable reading for anybody involved.
I think cyfs are pretty terrible. I was accused of back handing my step daughter by my step daughter and her grandmother (who she lives with) in Jan. This was false, my husband was there the whole time and so was a photographer. The grandmother rang said what had happened and that she has rung the police and cyfs. My husband tried to say my stepdaughter was lying and that the grandmother needed to take her to a counsellor to talk to someone right away, but of course there was no way she could be lying at all. IT was a month before we saw any body and then it was the police not cyfs. We took her threat seriously, and we tried to ring cyfs with our concerns as the grandmother stops contact all the time, this is the first while an order is in place (perfect excuse huh?) We wanted to tell them that we had a wonderful relationship and this lie has to come from somewhere and she wouldnt normally do this but we couldnt even get hold of them. We tried for a week with only answering machines or putting on hold that eventually cut us off! We thought after a week either she had lied or they thought it wasnt serious. We did eventually get through and the front desk or operator put us though to the lady who was handling our case only for another answering machine! Police said it was going to be filed or something meaning nothing more will be done told the grandmother but its now been 3 months nearly 4 since we saw her. Not once did cyfs investigate. 1.We couldnt get hold of them. 2. what if the allegation was serious? I have 6 other children who also could be at risk. Any allegation of abuse should be investigated. Does this mean if i suspect the grandmother they will do nothing? still dont understand my stepdaughter telling these lies…it has meant she has missed out on numerous sibling birthdays and family occasions and I did everthing for her
Ill say one thing, Im a woman and I know another case of someone close and I think the FC and CYFS are terrible towards dads. and I feel for the other dads.
Do you know what Ive learnt through the whole family court process (nothing to do with cyfs sorry) I have a 10 y/o boy who has a different father he wasnt on the birth certificate due to wanting DNA testing, hes only started regular contact in the last 2 years, but did see him his whole life, but I could move with out his say so and I learnt women could just move and the FC would do nothing for my son and his father for nearly 2 years if anything at all. And with 6 other children they would unlikely make me move back so he would prob at most win contact, but imgagine the costs involved getting contact especially if I moved far away. Luckily I love my kids and wouldnt do it and think my ex is awesome, but still this is what FC are teaching other women and I guess men, but Ive only ever seen and heard about women doing it.
Jenny .. check your others folder in your messages
on Facebook sorry
When responding to #1 Had_Enough’s “CYF, do they do anything useful”, my opinion is that CYF as an agency of the crown acts ethically in its obligations. However, the inherently difficult nature of work that it is required to do and the importance of that work in terms of outcomes for vulnerable children in our society combines to create greater challenges that at times are complex when actings as catalysts for change in the prevention and intervention of child abuse and neglect in New Zealand.
Or to put it simply, It’s employees are all to often seen to be driven by personal agenda’s and hatred, rather than the lovingly caring for children they take!