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Sun 14th July 2013

False sexual abuse allegation

Filed under: Child Support,General,Sex Abuse / CYF — BigBud @ 4:35 pm

Hi All,

I’m not sure how unique my situation is, but feel compelled to share my experience with others out there….and I know that this will strike a chord with some.

My daughter (adopted) was unhappy about some things on the home front (having to do chores for pocket money, having to eat everything on the dinner plate for dessert, and not getting an iPhone for her birthday, etc…), standard gripes for a preteen…. As a matter of fact she was so disappointed that she went to a counsellor at her school and reported that I was beating her. Needless to say CPS were right on the case with a Notice of Concern.

Child then went back on her claims and acknowledged the beatings never happened in the first place. OK. CPS happy to go away… Wife and I reached out to the DHB and then to CYFs to see what support we could get re these behaviours and were told that the only way to access services was to go to CPS. We were reluctant to at first but then “the behaviours” escalated to the point where it was inevitable that more allegations were to be made, so during one particularly bad episode we took her to the local Police Station so both she could make a statement…and so we could too. Next thing we find is that she goes into protective custody and this is where she is to this day – nearly a year later.

Now, here’s where the sexual abuse side of things start. Since she was first taken into custody she has been having weekly “therapy” sessions with someone by the name of Morgan Libeau. OK – fine. Morgan presented herself as a therapist and everyone at CYFs indicate that she was wonderful…and could make a difference. Well she did.

By Xmas last year my daughter, during an access visit, explained to me that she had enough and wanted to come back home. By New Years eve, she completed about-faced and we had a disastrous access. Afterwards, CYFS advised us that she never wanted to see us again and that she was far too distressed to even contemplate coming “home”. Where did this come from?

Enter Morgan. She had somehow being given the brief to “prepare” the child for the loss of her adopted family. WTF? Brief from who? Morgan had been presented as a “Therapist” who was supposed to conduct a “Therapeutic Needs Assessment”… and all the\ while CYFs assuring us that the child was to receive a “Psychological assessment” component. The problem was that she was not then, and still not now, a “Therapist”. She is actually an “Arts Therapist” – yes an overinflated finger painter (no disrespect to well intentioned ones) – who is not even registered to practice in Australia or New Zealand. She cannot even legally call herself a Therapist, Arts Therapist nor even a counsellor. So how did this cretin get anywhere near my child you ask? I still am not entirely sure but do have a hunch, after a bit of burning the midnight oil…

Morgan Libeau is actually Lynda Morgan, who featured prominently, and controversially, in the landmark Peter Ellis Christchurch Civic Creche debacle in the 1990s, in the role of a forensic interviewer of the children involved. She used dubious and completely unethical means in “extracting memories” from kids, using suggestive and leading questions, perhaps outright fabrication of evidence by formulating images in the children’s heads of sexual abuse scenarios. There’s plenty on the web about her and her colleagues devious methods, and if you do research her background a bit note that she and her colleagues managed to affect something like a 360% increase in sexual abuse cases that required investigating. Great little earner….at the tragic expense of all the broken children and families left in the wake.

So why the name change? I suppose with all that bad publicity how better to resurrect a dead career than to up-stakes and move to the other side of the country and change one’s name to escape the past she’s so proud of. Well, if she’s not proud of it then CYFs most certainly are, because she continues to work for MSD/CYFs today. So why is she still working anywhere near kids, as a unregistered (Arts) Therapist? Well, I have two theories. First, she’s likely to be working unregistered because her chequered past and modus operandi cannot be condoned by ANZATA, so her registration would not even be accepted. Second, there were suggestions at the time one of the two forensic interviewers was having a fling with one of the key figures for the prosecution (I will not name). Of course, at the time it seemed like everyone involved was having a fling with everyone else, so it’s probably not fair singling out any particular person. Anyway, enough of this rubbish, as this only happens on TV…, right?

So, fast-forward. I am now getting reports that my daughter has past filled with sexually abuse. Well with Ms Libeau, Morgan, Lynda or whatever the hell she want’s to call herself, I’m somehow not surprised this has surfaced. I can certainly defend myself that I have not been a part of this, however what I cannot accept is that my daughter is now a complete psychotic mess. She is in the midst of Narcissistic Decompensation and is now psychologically obliterated. I have since been advised by psychology professionals (not CYFs) involved that she cannot come home, cannot go to any other home, and may likely not even survive to see her teens. In short, in CYFs care my beautiful daughter has been killed off… and all they are saying is they rescued her from an abusive environment….PC blah blah blah blah…

There is a final chapter to this story that is about to pan out, but I can’t go into that until certain things happen first.

****NOTE to those about to get shafted- DO NOT engage CYFs without a voice recorder, take notes and DO NOT tell them you are recording the meetings. You have the legal right to do this and CYFs DO NOT have the right to stop you, but if you say you are recording they will clam up. We knew they were video taping every meeting, but they also let slip that there were audio recordings as well. They can say anything they want (and will) unless you can protect yourself and produce counter supporting recordings. They have on several occasions done this and every time they have had the eat their words because we have recorded EVERYTHING. Watch this space.

What I have found is that CYFs do not care about you, your child(ren) or family. All they care about is extracting as much money from the “estranged” family as they legally can in the form of child support….chargeable from the point at which CYFs begin to pay board for the child. They will endeavour the claim as much as they can and only pass on a fraction of that to the child, in the form of pocket money, and to the carers for food and board. The rest goes into a central fund to support other families. Does it pay for them to resolve issues? Of course not. Especially if the family has a reasonable income which ensures that the 18% of gross is more than they pay child and carers. And remember, if fines result from late payments, IRD keep the fines. Sort of like wheel clampers. Well, at least IRD and CYFs keep appropriate company! The picture I get is that it’s much better (for CYFs) to secure long-term funding (until child turns 19) from families rather than to work to resolve issues and to facilitate a return of children to their real families. Get the picture?

This is a high profile case going through CYFs/MSD right now (or maybe 10 years ago? I forget:P) so the only identifying information here is that the same cycle continues, with so many cases that start differently but end up the same old story in the end. CYFs continue to say they are not perfect because they’re so overworked, blah blah blah….well don’t take it out on the kids and their families!!!!

Here’s a bit of advice, should a Social Worker read this….. If your time was spent doing the right thing, being honest and trying to help families, rather than focusing on destroying families and spending far too much time (and money) in damage limitation mode and securing funding for this and that, you might, just might, be awarded with a better rap than you get now. No wonder CYFs are continuously bagged in the press! When my daughter was trying to come home, she wrote to me that her social worker had been repeatedly telling her that her family did not want her anymore…and that she would be going to a “better” family!!! Further, when my other children were interviewed, they too were asked, behind closed doors (on more than one occasion), if they wanted to go to a “better” family, because clearly mum and dad were bad people. Believe me, I would believe my children any day over that of social workers.

To be fair, I do spare a thought for social workers. I have liaised with a few “good” Social Workers, but they appear to be a rare breed indeed. A couple I have dealt with “get it” but they have indicated that their jobs are on the line if they press too hard to advocate for, or do, the right thing. Unfortunately (sigh), I suppose they get cleared out of the system pretty quickly, leaving failed school hallway monitors to wreak their power monger havoc….and become more and more experienced in doing so.

I hope I am the only one out there who has this perspective????

Keep the faith
BigBud

27 Responses to “False sexual abuse allegation”

  1. CSA says:

    Thanks for sharing your story.

    CYF with Family Court are well known organization for breaking families and using them for money benefits.
    There are number of trusts around this orgs as well which are benefiting from the industry of child/family abuse.

    And yes, nobody cares about kids in this system…

    If you are asking about the ways to change this situation… The only way I see is to raise criminal nuisance prosecutions against involved in the system and one or two case law examples will blow away all the shit people from the system.

  2. Vera says:

    Hi, thank you for sharing your story. Here is a group that may help you out

    Please join the group and I wish you and your family the best 🙂

  3. Gwahir says:

    If CYF are in the loop there are ways you can protect yourself, but I public view as Menz is is, is a dangerous. It is monitored by the Fems esp CYF! Visit http://www.cyfstalk.org Join, anonymity can be assured!

  4. BigBud says:

    Thanks Vera, but there’s a bit too much identifying info requested to join your group. I do have quite a bit to share but will have see how somes things pan out first. I will not roll over nor go away. Part of my mission will be to bring those cretins responsible to account for:

    1. Deliberately false and misleading statements in a court affidavit forcing me to respond..or proceedings to continue unchallenged.

    2. Family Group Conference – attempted intimidation, lies, and deceit. No wonder why lawyers are not invited. When Cyfs did not get agreement on what they wanted, they simply submitted to the court a false declaration stating agreeent on what had not been agreed.

    3. Continued and deliberate refusal to release file content requested under the OIA. I have been waiting 8 months for material i requested. Three times they sent deliberately wrong info so i keep having to request it again, again, and again.

    BigBud

  5. Gwahir says:

    A very wise decision Big Bud!

  6. Gwahir says:

    Seeing Reaction under the OIA you need Male support. You appear to have grounds for further action. I don’t discuss this in public.

  7. CSA says:

    BigBud,

    in re of 3. and OIA – you have to complain about that to Office of the Ombudsman (http://www.ombudsman.parliament.nz/make-a-complaint), it usually helps to get some results from reluctant organizations.

  8. BigBud says:

    Re 7. Already with Parliament…

  9. Gwahir says:

    The Ombudsman and Parliament (Your MP) are different. Keep on everybodies back, in writing! And just for fun, slap another OIA request on CYF now, Get them to photocopy the request and keep it as a receipt.

  10. Vera says:

    Hi, BigBud

    You can easily make a second FB account and connect 🙂

  11. Gwahir says:

    And becareful with facebook, www,cyfstslk.org is highly spam (And Wannabe social proof) You are safe and have a team of men who detest CYF there to help you. I’ll be watching out.

  12. JohnPotter says:

    My understanding is that Libeau/Morgan is not a therapist, but instead works as an “evidential interviewer”.

    If she can ‘assist’ your daughter to make a plausable accusation of sexual abuse, you will likely be charged.

    I think all the sessions are recorded on video, but as with Peter Ellis, the jury only gets to see the parts which support the prosecution case.

    Any psychologist will be able to see the manipulations and coercion, but these records are typically not made available to the defence.

    I think you are in for a rough ride over the next few months BigBud.

  13. Murray says:

    Having just been through the court system and experienced their “evidence gathering techniques” I would agree with everything said above especially regarding videoed evidence and Police use of social media. I was lucky, The police and prosocution hadnt donr their homework throughly enough and I was found “NOT GUILTY” of four charges but you have your work cut out for you. Make sure you dot your I’s and cross your t’s and can support your time line etc with independant proof.
    And good luck

  14. Gwahir says:

    Both Murray and John offer excellent advice. Maybe contact the Ministry of Mens Affairs (On this Group) There are Male proffessionals who can be more understanding. I do not have permission to name them in public. Can you give us a hint of the area of the country you are in? We are well spread. Stick to male proffessionals. One group offering “Support” we know have very strong ties to CYF – and is female only!

  15. BigBud says:

    Re #12 – My beef is that Morgan (and CYFs) is/are passing herself off as a “Therapist”. I’d love to provide more info but cannot at this stage. What I can say is that I have good reason to believe that her days are numbered… as as “therapist”. Alas, the boomerang of life.

    In response to #14 – Don’t take this the wrong way, but it did not go unnoticed that a seemingly large proportion of “male professionals” I have had dealings with within CYFs appear to hate men as well, have a bone to pick, and want to be the one to change the world. Further, it is interesting to note that none of the key antagonists within CYFs even have children….which I guess makes them perfectly suited to give parenting advice and caring for children.

  16. Gwahir says:

    You noticed! Yes any male if he is foolishenough to show interest is immediateky sent to hospital for “The Operation” then all through recover they are forced to listen to the colective wisdom 0f Germaine Greer, Helen Clarke, Georgina Byer! Its a short tape!

  17. Ministry of Men's Affairs says:

    False rape and sexual abuse allegations are common. Here’s one just this last weekend in the Bay of Plenty Times (reproduced below). When extensive police investigation suggested her claims had been false, she admitted that she made up the complaint because she was “upset after her partner confronted her over being unfaithful”. Note how the police are only concerned about the cost of investigating the false complaint, the distraction from ‘real’ crime and the anxiety caused to neighbourhood residents who were canvassed about the alleged home invasion; not a word of acknowledgement for the greatest trauma in the situation, that for the suspect whose privacy was invaded and security seriously threatened as police put the heat on him. As is routinely done now, they probably seized his computers and nosed their way through his private business in an effort to find dirt on him. And of course, this woman who subjected a man to profound risk of up to 20 years imprisonment received a pathetic punishment, a pussy pass that will provide zero deterrent to others tempted to follow what seems to be an increasing trend of false allegations. Note also there is an editorial opinion article in today’s today’s BOP Times (also reproduced below) by Dylan Thorne bemoaning the cost of false claims. At least Mr Thorne acknowledged more realistically the trauma for the suspect and the inadequacy of the punishment. However, we disagree that it’s ‘professionalism’ for police to assure us all that such false complaints won’t affect the way they handle future cases. There is an urgent need for police to change the way they treat those who allege sexual offences against them. Police should approach such allegations with the same caution as for any complainant for any other alleged crime, rather than the current approach, demanded by feminists, that a woman alleging a sexual crime should be believed immediately and treated as though she is believed.

    Major investigation over two weeks costs Bay force nearly $25,000
    13 Jul 2013 Bay of Plenty Times By Sandra Conchie news@bayofplentytimes.co.nz
    Police are fuming after they wasted hundreds of hours and racked up a bill of nearly $25,000 investigating a Tauranga woman’s false complaint she was raped by an intruder.
    Amanda Aroha Phillips, aka Graham, 29, told police she was at home with her young son, who was asleep in bed, when a man broke in, assaulted her, then raped her on the lounge floor.
    Several detectives attend her Gate Pa home after Phillips made the initial 111 call about 1.20am on June 19 to report the rape. At the same time, police were busy trying to catch an intruder who had entered a Wairoa Rd, Tauranga, address and beaten the female occupant unconscious.
    A police dog and handler tracking this offender was diverted from that job to the rape complaint.
    A doctor forensically examined Phillips for three hours and 10 police officers worked on the case for a fortnight.
    When re-interviewed on June 20, she told police in significant detail about how a male intruder assaulted and raped her while her son slept in the next room.
    Detective Constable Rebecca Cotton said as a result of the investigation a man who earlier been socialising with Phillips was treated as a suspect.
    He had his home searched, and was extensively interviewed, and voluntarily underwent a forensic medical examination.
    ESR experts were asked to urgently examine samples taken from Phillips and the suspect.
    Ms Cotton said she spoke to Phillips three times to confirm details of her complaint and injuries she claimed to have received, and each time she maintained the rape had occurred.
    At the end of the inquiry’s third week, she admitted she had made up the complaint when detectives confronted her with overwhelming evidence she had lied.
    Ms Cotton said six detectives and four constables were involved in the investigation for 14 days, and police spent more than 160 hours investigating the false complaint, which meant staff tied up on this inquiry were not available to investigate genuine complaints of serious crime.
    Phillips told police she made the complaint because she had been upset after her partner confronted her over being unfaithful.
    She pleaded guilty to a charge of making a false complaint to police and was sentenced to six months’ supervision and ordered to pay $1000 reparation in Tauranga District Court on Thursday.
    Police had sought $24,700 reparation, which included $11,900 for the forensic examinations.
    Phillips could not be contacted for comment.
    The Gate Pa man who was initially treated as the rape suspect told the Bay of Plenty Times
    Weekend he was ”shocked and distressed”.
    The man, in his 30s, spoke on condition he was not named.
    ”I didn’t believe it when police told me they wanted to talk to me about a rape. I knew I was innocent, and what else could I do but co-operate with the investigation?
    ”I have been so stressed out about this, and even talking about it is difficult for me.
    ”I now just want to put this all behind me and move on. People need to think twice before they decide to make false complaints as it seriously affects innocent people’s lives.”
    Detective Constable Cotton said a huge area canvass was done so people were made aware of the alleged home invasion, and it caused considerable concern and anxiety among neighbouring residents, many of whom were women living on their own or elderly.
    ”This was a frustrating investigation in that it consumed a huge amount of police time as well as that of partner agencies such as the ESR.”
    Ms Cotton said she wanted to reassure the community this bogus complaint would not affect how police handled other complaints.

    Editorial: High cost of false claims

    Dylan Thorne |
    16th Jul 2013 9:00 AM

    It is easy to understand police frustration when it comes to the time spent investigating false complaints.

    Last week, we reported that Bay police were fuming after wasting hundreds of hours and racking up a bill of nearly $25,000 investigating a Tauranga woman’s false complaint she was raped by an intruder.

    Amanda Aroha Phillips, aka Graham, 29, pleaded guilty to a charge of making a false complaint to police and was sentenced to six months’ supervision and ordered to pay $1000 reparation in Tauranga District Court on Thursday.

    She should consider herself lucky because police had sought $24,700 reparation, which included $11,900 for the forensic examinations.

    As a result of her bogus complaint, a man, who had been socialising with Phillips, was treated as a suspect.

    His life was turned upside down. His home searched, and he was extensively interviewed and voluntarily underwent a forensic medical examination.

    The other major impact her complaint had was that it diverted police resources away from another incident in the city at the same time in which an intruder had entered a Tauranga address and beaten a female unconscious.

    A police dog and handler tracking that offender was diverted from that job to the rape complaint.

    A doctor forensically examined Phillips for three hours and 10 police officers worked on the case for a fortnight.

    In my view, the sentence handed down to Phillips is not enough.

    The reparation payment ordered by the court only covered a fraction of the cost of the investigation.

    It does not reflect the complete waste of limited police resources or the impact the false complaint had on the man who became the focus of the investigation.

    False complaints of this nature are also damaging for real victims of crimes.

    However, it is a mark of the professionalism of police that, while expressing frustration with this particular case, they were at pains to reassure the community it would not affect how they handled future cases.

  18. BigBud says:

    Yes, absolutely sickening that this happens – probably more than anyone would like to admit. False abuse – be it alleged emotional, physical or sexual is incredibly alarming and devastating for the accused.

    Once upon a time I did have faith and expect lies to be exposed as, well, lies. Of course kids lie. They lie all the time, the CYFs people say, but they also say that no kids lie about THAT (abuse).

    And yes, what about all the damage left in the wake of a false abuse allegation? The only person that seems to get off scot free is the accuser.

  19. Gwahir says:

    And the real winners are the lawyers and other so called “Experts” all pick up their Fee, nomatter what. In ANY seperation, the only winners are the lawyers etc. and the biggest loosers are the children. And by law isn’t it supposed to be in the “Best” Interests of the child.

    Direct quote from the paramountcy clause of both Care of the Child act, and Children Young Persons and their Families Act!

    You will note CYF don’t seem to understand the word “Family”

  20. BigBud says:

    I was rather surprised when the police turned up at my doorstep this morning to have a chat about #15. Couldn’t believe it. Certainly better watch what you post, and if you do post make sure you can back it up…

    Yes, police can easily trace the source of postings/emails by IP address and return routing through one’s ISP. Dead easy. Be warned that all the ISPs and email services (e.g. Google) are in bed with the police and offer them up details of subscribers on demand. Using aliases and being clever with obscure emails do not matter. It’s all in the IP address…and the cooperation of the ISP.

    DO NOT VOTE FOR THE BIG BROTHER LEGISLATION!!!!!!!! As just demonstrated this morning, we already do not have our privacy anymore.

    BigBud

  21. hornet says:

    Big Bud, your kidding, and yet they cant attend or investigate a burglary, wont or cant investigate street robberies and other disorder anymore in Queen street – that list goes on………..but a posting here gets a visit…..you gotta elaborate…..

    Is this where this country is headed????

    We are seeing some very disturbing changes in the way government is working in NZ – they are elected to REPRESENT our NEEDS, not RULE OVER US with an IRON fist, trading off our rights and liberties for more power and taking the country fast towards Fascism.

  22. Allan Harvey says:

    Shows the reach of MENZ. I have been quoted, and misquoted, from MENZ in Family Court on several occasions. Had visit from the coppers and had IRD threatening me for breaching admin review privacy. BIG Brother is watching both with and without GCSB being allowed to spy on us mere citizens.

  23. Ted says:

    admin review privacy

    We have trials in public – this is a safeguard against misuse of state power. What is the justification for secrecy for the admin review? The consequences can be just as serious as in trials. No wonder the admin review enjoys the stinking reputation that it has.

  24. Pretty in Pink says:

    You think some femi-nazi-ist hasn’t worked out who we all are; isn’t keeping a dossier on each of us and what we say on this site. They’ll have a fairly good clue on each of us, what cases we are/were; who our kids are; what we say, etc. Probably a couple of full-time jobs at Ministry of Women’s Affairs …

  25. Ministry of Men's Affairs says:

    Yes, NZ is pretty much a police state. The present government has passed various laws that it blithely acknowledged breached the NZ Bill of Rights Act. It cares nothing for our civil rights, especially when it comes to men. Agents of the state including NZ Police know there is little chance they will be held accountable for exceeding their legal powers. In the Tuhoi raids police threatened the lives of innocent people by pointing loaded automatic weapons at them, wrongfully held people against their will and in many other ways were simmply terrorists in that small community. Yet not one police officer has been punished for this seriously abusive violent offending. In the Kim Dotcom case police illegally spied on Mr Dotcom and others, illegally terrorized the people at his home, illegally seized possessions and illegally passed those possessions on to another country. Yet not one police officer or spy agent has been held accountable for this atrocious attack on people’s rights. For any of us, ignorance or misunderstanding of the law would not be accepted as a defence, but for police and other agents of the state, any old excuse is accepted as a defence.

    Men have learned through frequent experience that they should not expect the police to act on their complaints of offending against them by women. Police will be unlikely even to accept their complaint, and any complaint by a man against a woman is more likely to result in the man being arrested and charged. Police have repeatedly shown that when a man and a woman tell different stories about events, police will believe the woman almost regardless of the evidence. A man with obvious injuries caused by a woman is more likely to be arrested for assaulting the woman even when she has no sign of injury. Watch any television ‘real life’ show showing police in action for a few episodes and you will see such sexist behaviour proudly displayed.

    You can expect NZ police and various other government agents to monitor your behaviour through telephone or internet. You can expect that if you post here you will already be under surveillance in your home and work. Free speech is no longer a right respected by NZ officials. The Jonkey government is now determined to make all manner of state abuse of the population fully legal rather than having to suffer the inconvenience of having to attempt justification of illegal state behaviour. Think about this, take precautions to ensure that your personal information is protected as much as possible. Ensure you keep a separate copy of your important information because all manner of state agents can now seize your computers and keep them for a long time while they nose through them. Don’t expect any semblance of fairness from the NZ state any more.

    Note also the news article today:

    NZ on NSA’s world spying map

    Newstalk ZB staff, Newstalk ZBAugust 1, 2013, 7:28 am

    More revelations this morning from The Guardian on the data collection methods of US spy agencies – and this time New Zealand is on its map.

    The Guardian journalist Glenn Greenwald, who released the information from former NSA worker Edward Snowden, has outlined a training programme for the use of a tool that collects nearly everything a user does on the internet.

    All you need is an email address.

    XKeyscore is said to give the widest-reaching collection of online data, and NSA analysts require no prior authorization for searches.

    It sweeps up emails, social media activity and browsing history.
    In an NSA graphic titled, “Where is X-Keyscore?”, there’s a red dot on New Zealand.

  26. aroha says:

    hey all, guess if all you live and thrive on is common media in little old nz with a banker for a prime minister then we should also sit around waiting for world fucken peace… no offence but if you believe everything you read then geez, maybe we should we also take dietary tips from the rolling stones 🙂

  27. Concerned says:

    Dear BigBud,

    I just came across your article after wanting to learn more about the Self-Defence tutor that was going to run classes for young girls between 7-12. ‘Morgan Libeau’s’ class is intended to teach girls how to prepare them for circumstances where they may feel threatened or unsafe. I am quite a bit more concerned to say the least after reading this. It says that she is a self-defence instructor that has been teaching for 20 years. Should I be contacting the centre that are going to run the class and warn them ? She is charging them $40 per girl for two days of her teaching.

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