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Sat 3rd August 2013

Felicity Goodyear-Smith vilified in UK

Filed under: Gender Politics,Sex Abuse / CYF — JohnPotter @ 8:34 am

The on-going campaign to discredit my wife’s professional reputation has just derailed a major international collaboration she has been working on.

As some MENZ readers will be aware, I am currently staying with her in London while she is on sabbatical from her position as Head of Department and Goodfellow Postgraduate Chair of General Practice and Primary Health Care at Auckland University.

We have just learned that a UK sociologist has been busy ringing all the other academics involved in the project, drawing their attention to the smear campaign that Sunday Star-Times journalist Tim Hume fabricated back in 2010.

Felicity’s past criticism of the NZ sexual abuse industry, and particularly her exposure of the “recovered memory” scam has made her lots of enemies among counsellors and therapists whose access to taxpayer funding has been greatly reduced as a result.

Ironically, the repeated claims by sex abuse counsellors that she was hired by ACC to justify their moves to reduce fraudulent claims for counselling are simply false. She certainly supports any moves to ensure that ACC protocols be evidence-based, but so do many other responsible health professionals.

However, because counsellors were not able to mount any credible opposition to the ACC reforms, they chose to launch an ad-hominen attack on Felicity using her association with me and my past connection with Centrepoint Community. Here is Felicity Goodyear-Smith‘s response to this attack.

The wikipedia page on Centrepoint has had most of the previous information about the community removed, and a section added intended to mislead readers into believing that she lived there, that she “turned a blind eye” to the criminal activity, and that her work on sexual abuse is connected to the subsequent convictions of some members (including me) for sexual contact with minors. [Edit 25th Aug 2013: it looks like this misinformation has now been removed]

Many feminist websites and blogs have repeated this misinformation, and linked to the Sunday Star-Times beat-up. As a result, Google searches now feature this information prominently, as was clearly intended.

In fact, the criminal activity took place in the late 1970s and early 80s, when Felicity was working overseas; long before she met me. I sincerely regret my actions, and when my father died last year I took the opportunity of saying so publically.

When I became aware that some feminist activists were running a campaign to spread the message that paedophiles were:
a) very unlikely to get caught
b) that if they did they would get support from members of this website, and
c) that Felicity would use her knowledge to “get them off” criminal charges,
I set up this information page for pedophiles to make sure my position was on the record. As far as I know, no feminist site has ever linked to this page.

You might think that academics would be aware that uncritically believing everything one reads on the internet is true, but sadly this seems not to be the case.

28 Responses to “Felicity Goodyear-Smith vilified in UK”

  1. Alastair says:

    First John, sympathies to your wife. These smear campaigns of disinformation appears to be the abuse industries favourite wepon to discredit any who seek to expose the truth.

    We see the White Ribbon Campaign and the Green Paper (Both Government funded) who , on their face book pages deleted posts that did not support the “Official” line. The only way so interpret ihis is censorship.

    Both had seperate pages started by men (And regular contributors to) this page promising no censorship, and were hacked for their efforts.

    I suggest that these creatures are so ashamed of their slander they hide in the shadows to perform their misdeeds where they cannot be held accountable.

    Light of truth will drive away the darkness. In the long term truth ALWAYS shines through, sadly there is the collateral damage caused by the lies.

    Kia Kaha Kia toa (Be Bold, Be Strong) Felicity. The real men of New Zealand Support you!

  2. Murray Bacon says:

    Dear John, sorry about the rumour mongering impacting onto Felicity and yourself. Has it had any real consequences, or just been a waste of time to wade through and sort out?

    Although academics like to present themselves as evidence based, it seems that there is human frailty before the evidence gets to be considered. I guess it ends up being an integrity test for the people being targeted with propaganda?

    All this just proves that Felicity’s book was exactly correct all along. The therapist’s desire for easy and/or unearned income is a force which needs to be properly managed.

    Her book has wider truth, these unmanaged conflicts of interest also impact onto MPs with law degrees voting in Parliament on issues that put extra money from citizens or Government into the pockets of legal workers. The changes to the Building Act that enabled the leaky buildings disaster is just one example. The Relationship Property Act is another classic example.

    It also applies to judges helping legal workers to stretch out hearings, to increase charges.

    These indirect conflicts of interest cost NZ many $billions per annum. The largest cost is the social costs of mangling children’s upbringing, for paramount financial interests of the legal workers.

  3. Downunder says:

    I first met Felicity in the late 70’s – 80’s. It was a time when rapes where unfortunately a more regular occurrence. I was a young police officer and Felicity a young doctor who could always be relied upon to turn out day or night to the rape centre in central Auckland to conduct the necessary medical examinations. Her dedication to these unfortunate women was unquestionable as was her commitment and professionalism. I have known Felicity in other circumstances since and can confidently add that there would be few women in this country and probably international who could match Felicity’s subsequent capacity for work and quantity of work which she has undertaken. She is a truly amazing woman and it is sad to see her undermined by rubbish feminist politics. She is first and foremost a doctor which she understands – unfortunately there are some rather insignificant people who don’t – yet that has never detered Felicity from principles of realism and commonsense. These unfortunate attacks simply undermine a dedicated professional who deservers far more recognition than she will probably ever receive.

  4. Alastair says:

    Reading the Newspapers I speculate that the abuse industry emboldened by their haychet job on “Sir Owen Glen” are now having a tilt at Felicity?

  5. Downunder says:

    They have got an investigation going into his charitable trust now. Interesting watch it unfold – they will keep at him.

  6. Ted says:

    http://www.odt.co.nz/news/dunedin/263262/someone-derailing-inquiry-academic

    Someone derailing inquiry: academic

    By Vaughan Elder on Tue, 2 Jul 2013

    A University of Otago academic is concerned some people are ”hell-bent on derailing” the $2 million ”Glenn Inquiry” into family violence.

    The comments from senior social work lecturer Dr Nicola Atwool – a member of the inquiry’s ”advisory think-tank” – come after Fairfax media revealed at the weekend a decade-old allegation of abuse against the inquiry’s millionaire philanthropist backer Sir Owen Glenn.

    This raises the question: why would anyone want to derail the inquiry?

    According to Glenn himself, NZ scores dismally on the international league table for domestic violence – right next to Lesotho, I think he said. What does this say about the agencies that have worked for so many years on the problem? Why haven’t things improved?

    They may want to avoid any sort of close inquiry into their effectiveness.

  7. Alastair says:

    I think you got it spot on Ted. As Barnum (Of Barnum and Baily Circus fame) once said “You can fool some of the people all of the time, and you can fool all of the people some od the time, BUT you can’t fool all of the people all of the time!

    Maybe they are running out of people to fool, so destroy those who are seeing through them!

  8. hornet says:

    So NZ had a chance to review Domestic Violence – Owen Glenn deserves so much support from fathers on this issue. He was prepared to put his money up front to conduct an enquiry – at least he tried to do something ( do nothing and nothing happens) and now its been hijacked = we have to ask…..WHY?

    Is there something bigger at play here – something more sinister? Has this business – a legal system protecting the huge profits from the misery of domestic relationship break downs and the resulting conflict – which they do not seem to want to prevent – not to mention every other parasite group – hooking onto their piece of the bash money.

    So would this enquiry have cut to the core of Domestic Violence and flushed out the cause – it may have even identified significant changes which would help reduce CONFLICT – or help prevent conflict for parents in separation,

    To determine a solution – you have to first look at the causes – and sadly in NZ – no one seems to want to do that – it takes two to tango, two people to have an argument, two people to fall into conflict, but no one wants to address why…..what is going wrong, what are people getting away with to prolong the fight – are we lacking new laws with consequences for all the things the system knows are happening – but currently refuse to address?

    For some reason, there is never any discussion concerning the bad mothers out there, the horrible woman who quite happily use children for their personal gain – holding kids to ransom – which the system seems quite happy to permit.

    And in my case as I have found by doing everything right, all the system asked of me – I never lost my rag, or reacted to the provocation – if after that experience, it demonstrated that the ONLY recourse open to most fathers, is to react – and to react violently to the person harming their kids, and to a system which refuses to help them, refuses to enforce their parental rights, refuses to deal with women who are rotten to the core, who use every bad behavioral tactic on their kids and get away with it.

    If by doing everything by the book I got me nowhere – what chance does any parent have if they drop the ball somewhere along the way, and react to the provocation, the attacks on their reputation, character and integrity – sorry Owen and Felicity- but what you are experiencing is BEST PRACTICE in family court, Govt, the Justice department and child support services in NZ – destroy, dismantle, attack you out of the picture. if your a threat to this business – and its a huge business they will shut you down.

    Sadly this Violent reaction by parents – most are good, but are driven to violence – because of a system so dysfunctional – the only path the majority of separated parents are taken down – is more conflict – the system enflames it, keeping it going so there is more cash in the lawyers business plan.

    Perhaps the Glenn Enquiry was going to uncover this nasty little secret – so the enquiry had to be destroyed = before the shameless business of fking with kids and parents – leading them into worse conflict and more of it – was unearthed and shut down…..

    God forbid we might have found the cause of conflict leading to so much domestic violence in New Zealand, and shut down a despicable business which thrives on parents and kids in their most vulnerable time.

  9. Ted says:

    Billionaire dreams of zero child abuse

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/8085837/Billionaire-dreams-of-zero-child-abuse

    Seems like he set an ambitious target.

    Owen Glenn dreams of standing before the United Nations, waving a ground-breaking report into how New Zealand solved domestic violence and child abuse, and saying “here, that’s how you do it”.

    Even if they just give him a 20-minute audience, he says, he’ll be pleased.

    The billionaire philanthropist says his “People’s Inquiry” – that has just kicked off and, although Glenn is reluctant to talk figures, will cost a considerable part of the “up to $80 million” he’s pledged to help fight child abuse – will certainly have a significant impact on the next election.

    Oh dear. Elections. Didn’t Glenn and his donations have a political impact in previous years? The politicians might be interested.

    The report will be delivered early in 2014, election year, and Glenn has commissioned a communications firm to sign up 500,000 people to a petition demanding all parties support the findings of his inquiry – or lose their votes.

    “Once we have 500,000 voters people will sit up and take notice,” Glenn says.

    Half a million votes? The politicians would definitely be interested.

    Doesn’t Glenn understand? Standing Up For The Women and Children has already been patented and has been in use, delivering profits and free stuff, for years. Don’t try to break the monopoly, Owen!

  10. shafted says:

    #9. Hornet is daring to articulate the truth. Not the truth as media and politicians would have it, but the unbridled truth. Many of you will be aware that the defence of provovation was removed in recent years (and may or may not be aware that it is being reconsidered for “battered womens syndrome). You see, some of us males, myself included, were subjected to relentless psychological abuse (thought i was too strong for that to happen to me)that culminates in you becoming a person that you fundamentally are not. An angry, bitter resentful ass hole. Day upon day of grinding demands and expectations that jesus Christ himself could not have fulfilled. Society has created the mythical ideal man-thoughtful, well dressed, understanding, great cook, great father, great husband who is expected to treat her like a princess. Not the reality of a man’s life. Come home at 7 pm, handed the kids on the end of her outstretched arms with a “You look after them” Expectation to bath them and get them ready for bed (bonding time). Time out for her with friends was a well justified break from her oh so difficult life. Time out for me was an extremely expensive leave pass and confirmed that i was an uncaring self centred ass hole. Enter Family court. The most normal of behaviours is portrayed as worthy of Doctor Evil. Leave kids in car whilst buying milk-neglect. Have a few beers-alcoholism. Shout when relentlessly abused-anger management problem. Say no to someting-control. Gain a new partner-serial womaniser. And on and on it goes. The courts seem to buy into this. How could i be deemed utterly suitable to look after kids before a break up, and then, overnight become the devil reincarnate? How can the courts agree lies have been told and do nothing?
    Why is it that the IRD will not consider the spending habits of my ex when undertaking admin reviews-i.e. overseas holiday constantly yet i should pay more for dental and school etc. Surely if different spending decisions were made, there would not be financial duress?
    Why is it that an admin review officer (without reference to me) can determine that the latest draconian ruling against me “should cause little financial distress”-thus she was making an assessment of my financial situation, but is not required to take into account the mothers.
    Why is it that when i filed for child support (child living with me) the process took 6 weeks, but when she advises of any changes etc, the ruling is immediate?
    Why is it that when i state that i am concerned about my daughters weight, i am told that i will be responsible for “giving her food issues” and that i am responsible for the weight gain anyway due to what i feed her on my 2/14 days?
    Why is it that when i call the doctor about these issues, he can merely listen to what i say as opposed to discuss it with me as the father -because i am merely the f####n wallet.
    WHY?

  11. hornet says:

    Gentlemen, I have found the answer – seriously.

    In prosperous times when Private sectors build and grow wealth – govts can grow and provide more social services. Private sector is Prosperous, and a govt and its services is inherently Parasitic on that success.

    What is happening on a global scale to western countries is this = private sector business and growth are declining at an alarming rate – jobs are fewer, and more and more work in the quest for corporate profits are sent off shore to places where there are NO regulations, overheads or compliance requirements. Wages have not improved for the working class over the last 50 years = a sad fact even with unions waving the flag and offering better conditions.

    The only growth in jobs we are currently seeing is in Govt JObs and more and more social services – which if you look at the prosperity – parasite analogy above – is unsustainable – you cant keep increasing govt, staff and services if there is not the wealth generation to pay for it.

    So where to get new revenue to pay for this mess – pay off these debts which are now so large they cant ever be paid off – thats right folks – tax, tax, tax, and look art more and more inventive way to tax the people to support the machine.

    That is why people like me and Owen Glenn who made money from employing people, generating jobs and creating wealth through growth = cannot understand who anyone could create a business plan around sustaining the misery and conflict of others.

    This is not unique to the Child Support business which props up massive govt borrowing. This is endemic across all govt services today – the new business model is to turn every service into a cost and charge it back to the public – and keep charging more and more in taxes on top of that…. for the services you used to get as part of those taxes.

    Take for example the police in NZ – they are now a revenue collection service – catching criminals costs money, investment is made in camera cars, highway patrols – check points etc – to collect tickets.

    Just this week I learned that Detectives ( those charged with investigating Serious Crime – least we did when I was in there – with NO budget constraints at all ) are being told to pull over 4 people per hour, and issue at least one ticker per 4 people stopped – so effectively issue 8 traffics per working day, or lose your budget and staff – this is a fact. And we wonder why serious crime in Ak is not being investigated, filed. Serious Street crime was investigated in my day – by detectives. Not today. Too costly.

    SO where will this all end – it will end badly – you cant keep taking more and giving less. Its a recipe for disaster and total collapse.

    And in closing – to trade on children, to deprive kids of time with parents, to demand money and property from good parents, far in excess of what they should be contributing is shameful.

    You can see now why they pushed through the changes to the Marriage laws – they need a bigger pool of people to go after for demands made – gay or straight – care giver or distant relative. Sadly Grandparents are about the only ones with any property left to seize…………….when the parents cant meet the excessive demands of the state……..

  12. Skeptic says:

    Stay strong Felicity and JP.
    You’re doing a fine job of speaking reason in the face of grievance industry swindlers.

  13. As I don’t get to see MENZ Issues very often I was surprised to learn that you and Felicity were in England, and appalled to know of the attacks upon both of you by radical influences. So I have put together some thoughts and quotes which I hope may be of some use to you in the battle you are facing.

    I have here some disturbing and highly publicised examples of pro-pedophile activism, which begs the question, why are the radical feminist (and fellow traveller) attackers of Felicity not focusing on them instead of you and Felicity and MENZ Issues?

    I suppose you are familiar with the name Dr. Judith Reisman? Under “The Gay Agenda and Pedophilia” she includes this : “Promote hostility between the sexes. Align feminists with gay activists in a campaign against heterosexuality per se.” (1)

    Well, there is copious evidence of homosexuality being linked to pedophilia (some to follow) so of course such feminists are not opposing the real pedophiles, but instead pick on their (feminist) ideological opponents – people such as yourselves. So let’s look at some real pedophile activists who appear not to be the targets of such fanatical feminists.

    In New Zealand in the early 1990’s, of course, there was Gerald Moonen and his group Aotearoa Man-Boy Love Association (AMBLA). On Auckland’s Access Radio – and on a homosexual programme no less – on 7th April 1991 Moonen was asked if any of his members were homosexual. He replied “Yes, we are gay, we are homosexuals.” After subsequent media scrutiny the group appeared to have disbanded, or at the very least to have moved into the shadows since then.

    The AMBLA name, incidentally, appears to have been styled after that of the North American Man-Boy Love Association, NAMBLA. Now in the U.S. there is also what Dr. Reisman calls “the growing sexual anarchist lobby B4U-ACT.” In “They’re mainstreaming pedophilia” (2) Also re B4U-ACT see “Pedophiles want same rights as homosexuals.”(3)

    In the UK there is also a wealth of pedophile activism to target for anyone genuinely concerned about it. Years ago a Scottish homosexual group (yes, homosexual!) formed at least one of a number of such outfits in England, with names such as Pedophile Action for Liberation (PAL) and Pedophile Information Exchange (PIE). Four years ago I checked them out on Google and found a plethora of information on such activism, including the fact that PAL was an off-shoot of the – wait for it – Gay Liberation Front! Surprise, surprise!

    If Felicity’s critics were genuinely concerned about pedophilia, and were not – as it appears – hamstrung by a deep ideological mental block, surely by now they would have been expending their energies by attacking any of the above, or the likes of Daniel Cohn-Bendit, currently leader of the Greens/European Free Alliance in the European Parliament! Indeed he has publicly boasted of his sexual experiences with children aged six years and less, and yet is still in office! (4)

    John, in your MENZ 24th September 2010 article on the smear campaign against Felicity, you quoted from Carroll Du Chateau’s Metro March 1993 article “Is the child sex abuse industry telling the truth?” and her conclusion : “The fact is, the entire sex abuse industry is politically driven.” How true! To my mind ideology really gets to the heart of the matter, and that goes for not only gender issues but also for racial and environmental ones.

    For anyone who doubts this, it was made abundantly clear way back in July 1979 in the NZ leftist publication The Republican. There, in an article by noted leftist Christine Dann (more latterly a senior NZ Green Party staffer) entitled “Radical Feminism and the NZ Political Scene” she gave a list of front groups, which included Rape Crisis as follows:-

    “Thus anarchists (and latterly their more Marxist ‘libertarian socialist’ and ‘anarcho-communist’ fellow leftists) have preferred forms of organisation which will lead more directly to the situation which is ultimately desired”¦. They posit small, autonomous non-hierarchical collectives which provide personal as well as political support”¦. The groups may choose to work autonomously on specific issues, e.g. oppression of women, racism or the environment”¦. They may offer direct political activism (HART, Matakite etc.) personal assistance (Rape Crisis, Tenants Protection Assn., Women’s Centres)” etc.

    So in conclusion, John, “know thine enemy” is a well known and most wise expression to observe, and I suggest never more necessary than in the case of you and Felicity. Having said that however, I have a certain amount of sympathy for some of your adversaries, male as well as female, because they will surely have been victims of the pernicious culture war which has plagued Western society now for a few decades, and which, as you know, I have been fighting in my own small way since the 1970’s. They will have been well conditioned to the fanatical and irrational views which they hold and express, which fly in the face of reason and commonsense, and some even in the face of common decency.

    Hopefully what I have set out may help make some sense of such vicious fanaticism, and supply you with some counter arguments to such cruel and vicious attacks upon you and Felicity.

    My very best wishes to you both,

    Sincerely,

    Barbara Faithfull

    References :-

    1) Judith Reisman Kinsey, Sex and Fraud. (Lochinvar-Huntington House, 1990) pp 213-214

    2) Judith Reisman “They’re Mainstreaming Pedophilia”. Article 22 August 2011 on http://www.worldnetdaily.com/

    3) Northern Colorado Gazette newspaper 3 July 2011. http://www.greeleygazette.com/press/?p=11517

    4) As revealed in article “European Parliament member promotes pedophilia as part of the sexual revolution” by J.C. von Krempach, J.D. 29 April 2013, C-FAM.(Which is the U.S. based Catholic Family and Human Rights Institute – http://www.c-fam.org)

  14. JohnPotter says:

    Thanks everyone for the support.

    I am well aware that there are many hidden agendas behind the attacks on Felicity, some related to the issues you raise, Barbara.

    You may be interested to read that an Investigation has been launched over German Green party’s support for paedophiles in the 1980s.

    Gerald Moonen was a regular visitor to Centrepoint in the 1980s, and community members (including me) attended functions at his home in Kaukapakapa. When I was a teenager, my father was in contact with many pro-pedophile activists, including doctors, psychiatrists, and university professors.

    In the early days of the community, we all believed we were the vanguard of the sexual revolution, and that society would eventually catch us up.

    With the wisdom of hindsight, I now realise we were being lead out onto an increasingly shaky limb.

    I have no doubt that a number of people are now very keen to re-write history, and deflect attention from their own murky pasts.

  15. blamemenforall says:

    Careful not to attempt rational discussion of taboo topics lest the witch-hunters point the stick at those who dare to think.

  16. HORNET says:

    14 . Everyone – watch this movie if you want to understand what has been going on……. a very informative overview of socialism, communism and the ultimate end result – fascism. While this is about America – the mirror is what we have seen in NZ – the exact same thing. These plans were made years ago, and much of the agenda has already been implemented.

    http://vimeo.com/63749370

  17. Danny says:

    Wow Hornet watched the movie was grate. My buddy got off a plane on Friday and got a potation order served on him at customs.
    This lady works for the New Zealand police and is and x MFA emplyie. What influence to have my buddy go though that at customes.
    Anyway from what I see he has been a great dad to his kid.
    When these new laws come in gcsb will destroy what is left of the family. Wake up new Zealand.

  18. Scott B says:

    17 very good film, which explains a lot. Although most of us on here have probably already worked that all out for ourselves anyway. Even if you have figured it out, do watch it anyway and share it with as many people as possible.

  19. hornet says:

    18. Protection order was it??? Potatoes would have been better – look as I have experienced these dog lawyers can initiate ex parte order applications – without notice, so the other party does not even know they are telling tales behind their back, spew as many lies as possible, because they can about a person, there is no consequence you see, and they can do this = get the protection orders granted without every hearing from the other party……

    There has been an increase in the use of this dirty tactic…….ex parte applications……..

    My ex maggot tried to do this very trick and fortunately I was able to file opposing affidavits – but it cost me $$$ alot and every single lie she had claimed was thrown out……if I had not been allowed to file opposing information – there is EVERY chance her protection orders and violence orders would have been granted…..this is corrupt……thats why they do all this in SECRET……..

    My point here and this is what most dads / parents are going through – mud sticks…… more so if you never get the chance to challenge the allegations head on, without first being branded a horrible parent with protection and violence orders – slapped on you in SECRET…….and to add insult to injury, she was also demanding I could only see my own child under supervision – there was absolutely NO BASIS whatsoever for these allegations – it was all designed to cause me maximum distress and pain – and the system allows this…….Corrupt to the core is the family court.

  20. Downunder says:

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/9056160/Sex-pest-test-means-instant-dismissal

    Being vilified is inconvenient. Read this and be afraid.

    A rabid feminist feeding freenzy is coming over the horizon.

  21. Alastair says:

    I think ANY group should be afraid, very afraid. We already have a dirth of Male teachers, and educationalists tell us this is to the detriment of teaching! Remember when Homosexuals were “Considered un safe around children” (To a degree they still are) What are the selfrighteous ones going to dream up next?

    Even to be found “Not Guilty” a person is judged by gossip and it can be held against them forever.

    Paula bennett is riding a very dangerous high horse seemingly to retaliate against earlies slights.

    Compulsory reading Arthur Millar’s “The Cruciable” http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Crucible

    It is fiction based on fact. Totally scary. CYF already operate in this manner. Its already happening From 2011 Refer http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10734741

  22. Ted says:

    The new child-protection laws will trump existing employment legislation, removing the need for bosses to go through a fair process of verbal and written warnings to dump anyone suspected of sexually preying on children.

    … so handing institutional infighters a really handy weapon. Want that other guy out of the way? Suspicion is easy to manufacture. Look forward to lots and lots of this in the future.

    Talking of which, I wonder how well Paula Bennett’s life, and the people associated with her (birds of a feather, you know), would stand up to a sufficiently thorough scrutiny. I guess she would qualify as a government employee, wouldn’t she?

  23. MurrayBacon says:

    There are several forces pressuring for more effective protection of children, from abusive adults. Although many women see this as protecting children from men, in the end women have more to lose than most men, as they place so much of their identity into rearing children.

    The unreliability of most present methods of detecting child abuse and who did it, will lead to many false positives. After many good parents and caregivers have been blacklisted, will there be enough good parents and caregivers left, to take care of the children? (Maybe the hidden agenda is homosexual adoption?)

    Presently the main focus is on protecting children from severe physical abuse. Men do show up poorly in this category of abuse. Although this type of abuse is dramatic, the numbers are rather small, compared to children damaged by emotional neglect.

    The largest area of damage to the largest number of children is emotional neglect. Women show up poorly in this area, due to their greater amount of caregiving and also due to their generally somewhat higher levels of depression. Depression greatly reduces an adults ability to listen empathetically to children, thus hugely increasing the risk of emotional neglect. Another medical problem which limits adults ability to listen to children is addictions, obsessions and compulsions. Both men and women may have these problems.

    For all of the focus onto keeping children away from abusers, the greatest creator of hazard of emotional abuse of children, is anything that restricts children’s frequent access to both parents and also wider family. Children can put up with a large amount of poor parental performance, as long as they are in frequent contact with 2 or more other adults with acceptable parenting skills.

    Thus, we can see that the present familycaught$ is far and away the largest cause of hazard to the quality of upbringing of our children, by creating artificial relationship barriers between children and parents and extorting by selling future possibilities to remove these unnecessary barriers. Just invoking the word safety doesn’t mean that this is the reality of what they are doing. They are just thieves, masquerading as clowns.

    We are our own worst enemies, whether it be in Building Act leaky buildings, or familycaught$. If we can throw these monkeys off our back, our society can move forward safely.

    In many cases, the mother isn’t acceptable as a sole parent. On separation, if the child was to be left with only one parent, if the child’s needs were examined competently, it would have to be the father. In these situations, if these women knew that this would be the outcome, would they want to break up the family?

    No fault divorce should not have unwittingly created no responsibility parenting.

    Ted mentions child protection incompetent processes trumping employment law. To get rid of someone blocking your own promotion, just let out some form of accusation against them. One person benefits, but the majority lose out and one other person loses hugely. It is just a return to spinning a stick or bone in the dirt. The person pointed to, loses everything.

    Cheers,
    MurrayBacon.

  24. joe says:

    john potter you were convicted of child molesting, she was a kid. so you aint got a leg to stand on. you keep saying a minor, shit she was a child.

  25. Alastair says:

    Joe,
    You are way out of order!
    1) I do not accept you know the full facts and
    2) you NEVER attack the list owner os a Moderator.

    I believe you owe John a verY humble apology.

  26. JohnPotter says:

    The fact is I was convicted on two charges of indecent assault, after pleading guilty.

    Joe is correct, I don’t “have a leg to stand on”, my behaviour was totally unacceptable, and I am sorry for what I did.

    My wife, on the other hand, has not been convicted of anything, and was not involved with Centrepoint in the late 70’s when the offenses occurred. She has no responsibility for my behaviour before we met.

  27. Downunder says:

    @Joe There are plenty of people walking around who have made mistakes in their past which later in life they are not proud of.

    Only some of those people have been held to account, and because John has been, do you really believe that your ridicule serves any purpose other than satisfying your own primal needs.

    John doesn’t defend the mistake and he gets on with life and contributes to society. I am more than happy to defend the person for that reason.

    Now why don’t you go and find something better to do with your time.

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