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Sun 24th November 2013

Suicide Remembrance

Filed under: General — Downunder @ 1:56 pm

Friends & family members lost to suicide remembered today.

Friends and family members lost to suicide will be remembered at an event in Auckland today.

The non-denominational candle lighting service is organised by Solace Support Group.

Chief Coroner Neil MacLean will be there…he’s recently been pushing for a more open dialogue around suicide.

The service is at St Columba Church in Grey Lynn at 5.00pm.

    This thread is for people who want to share their story about a suicide in their family.

8 Responses to “Suicide Remembrance”

  1. Downunder says:

    ‘The ‘why’ will haunt us forever’

    My reason for publicly sharing this very tragic and personal loss is because I have spoken with many other families bereaved by suicide and I believe that unless we start talking, supporting and educating our communities about this very common occurrence nothing will change.

  2. Downunder says:

    Suicide: He couldn’t survive without her

    This story is about a hard-working man that loved his family, would do anything for anyone and was so against “suicide”.

  3. MurrayBacon says:

    Dear Downunder, I agree strongly that more public sharing of experiences would help young people see ways through many painful problems.

    NZ hospitals research looks at their handling of suicide attempters, that come into hospital. These people are overwhelmingly women.

    Suicide research in NZ universities is also focussed onto women’s issues.

    If NZ men would like to have a matching positive impact onto men’s suicides (I do mean reducing these figures!!!?), then sharing of suicidal ideation experiences would help us to see the breadth of issues that may lead men, on impulse to complete their lives. (With that idea in mind, I have forwarded calls for men to share their experiences and made such calls myself.)

    However, in asking people to face these issues again, for the hope of educating and saving others, perhaps we should be careful to make sure that we are not inadvertently triggering their suicide. If the issues that earlier led them to consider suicide have not been properly solved, then this outcome may be more likely than we would be comfortable with. In essence suicide is just a form of euthanasia, of which I am a strong supporter. (I subsidise rope and NaCN prices.)

    I do believe that that more open sharing of experiences and life will have a positive impact, by letting young people see that there is little new under the sun and what strategies can make life better.

    Too many of these problems do not presently have satisfactory solutions. Openly discussing these issues is likely to help quite a few men to make their own final decisions sooner, rather than later. I suggest we approach these issues initially with more closed discussion, before open public discussion. MurrayBacon – axe murderer.

  4. MurrayBacon says:

    I know that many men are quite insecure, about understanding the role that they play in their children’s lives.

    Without that knowledge, they find it too easy to extinguish their own life, or to leave NZ vowing to never return, or to accept the NZ familycaught$ illegally and criminally vandalizing their relationship with their children.

    Having seen this twice at close quarters, I watch in horror, as women who equally don’t understand the role of both parents in their children’s psyche, gamble with their children’s future mental health, in a vain attempt to prove that they are all that their children need, to have a happy and secure life.

    The point is, that parents who don’t need to prove anything, are in fact the parents who can take care of children safely.

    I won’t tell my son now about his father’s suicide, I will tell him when he can understand (when I can be bothered to get around to it).

    Fathers who deny their own children a relationship with themselves, subject their children to a much higher risk of suicide (about x10).

    Mothers who deny their own children a relationship with the child’s father, subject their children to a much higher risk of suicide (about x10).

    Fathers who deny their own children a relationship with the child’s mother, subject their children to a much higher risk of suicide (about x10).

    Parliament understood these issues when it passed the Care of Children Act 2004, how can the familycaught$ thieves deny children their birthright?
    MurrayBacon.

  5. hornet says:

    Deliberately Destroy children and permanently alienate a parent in the name of profit and revenue Act- would be more appropriate…….

    Care of Children Act – they play reverse psychology with us at every turn – and that is the trap – “Care” of children act – we dive in believing they will take “Care of Children” – first and foremost, and along the way we hope they will also protect our rights to Parent.

    But the contradiction is they do neither – because CARING and Helping is NOT profitable.

    The fact is we are dealing with a system corrupted and conflicted – by Greed and self interest, the lawyers are actively destroying children because Caring is not part of the business plan, and parents Rights – what rights – they will never help to enforce them –

    They drive most good parents down one path – and that is to react violently to protect their children because the system refuses to do so …….and thats just where they want you – a domestic violence offender – with NO Credibility – this is during phase one of the Conflicted reverse psychological game to destroy your character, integrity and reputation – and we are all drawn unwittingly into this first stage.

    Phase two of course is greed and corruption within govt who then move in and use the destroyed child, the now permanently alienated parent for more revenue – But they must choose carefully – we only select the parent for this next round of persecution – who has the most left over in property and who has the highest potential earning ability of the two parents – so lets make sure that one never gets to see the kids – leverage loans and excessive demands against that one for more Revenue.

    You see there is no point performing this insidious tactic on the parent who has little in the way of property to take, or who has no income earning potential – that is why the only parent to date who is attacked in this manner is the bread winner – but new changes will fix that soon enough….. lets just create a new “cost of living” “$$$$$$$$ value” ( thats any amount we feel like because we have built a system to which you can NEVER oppose or challenge )

    Demand a new $$$$$$ on each child so we can attack both parents for this new revenue stream……yeh thats a great idea……. destroy BOTH parents and the kid(s) for profit ……. another perfect plan – created by lawyers for lawyers.

    This leads the effected parent(s) down one last tragic path – usually after they have run out of money and sold all their property – sold to pay the excessive demands…..and penalties

    They now have no credibility, reputation or character left, and are permanently alienated from their own children and have no job or any prospects left for meaningful employment – they have nothing left to give to this corruption – the ONLY decision they have left is =Do I “run” or Do I “jump” ………….

    But Im thinking there is a third option – PARENTS must expose these criminal dogs who prey on good parents in their time of despair and distress, and who actively destroy kids in the name of profit – expose them for what they are and demand change – PARENTS need to DEMAND CHANGE of a system which is so Conflicted and so Corrupted at its very core………

    Conflict Resolution is NOT part of their plan.

  6. Downunder says:

    But Im thinking there is a third option – PARENTS must expose these criminal dogs

    @Hornet – If people actually understood how the financial system works there would be a revolution over night.

  7. hornet says:

    Downunder, – I am sure no parent denies their child – support – but when the tactics and methods used to elicit excessive revenue and profit from parents – is unjust, unfair, and unethical then I believe Parents have a duty to expose it.

    IRD – recent high Court judge Condemns them for seeking Ex parte Warrants to seize property – their affidavits and language were misleading and so he ruled they were unjust, unethical and unfair – breaching all the rights to Due Process, fairness, Natural law and habeas Corpus – I can see clearly now why the Ombudsman refused to take my complaint – detailing the EXACT same thing – Secret warrants sought exparte, to seize family property – including my wifes family vehicles – which as it turns out was Illegally seized…..quickly returned and dumped in a neighbors paddock……that was directly unjust – and this will be exposed and so will the corrupt dogs who have refused to take complaint – for now they are complicit in the primary offending……..

    The Female God of Justice – Themis was the Titan goddess of divine law and order–the traditional rules of conduct first established by the gods.

    On that note, I hope you all have a very happy and healthy christmas, may you get precious time with your children, share yourself with them, let them know who you are and what values you stand by, give them plenty of love and most of all let them know you care about them and always will.

    All the best

    Hornet

  8. MurrayBacon says:

    The strategies used by Italian police and prosecutors, to expose and prosecute their mafia, are the only strategies that NZ parents can use, to achieve the same goals in NZ against familycaught$ and ird child [and spousal] support.

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