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What makes nice guys turn nasty

Tue 16th December 2014

Iraq war vet suspected of killing 6 family members

The pair had been involved in a protracted custody battle over the pair’s two daughters, Matthew Schafte, 42, a friend of Bradley Stone’s, told the Los Angeles Times.

“She was trying to hold the kids from him, and he just snapped,” guessed Schafte, of Harleysville, who said he’s known Stone for 20 years. “But to snap by killing her family members is not the Brad that I know. “¦ He was a nice guy.”

Just doing his job – trained to kill the enemy?

Officials in a Philadelphia suburb have yet to capture an Iraq war veteran they say carried out a shooting rampage early Monday (local time) that left six of his estranged family members dead, including his ex-wife and her 14-year-old niece.

He also apparently briefly abducted his two daughters from his ex-wife’s home before dropping them off with a neighbour and vanishing.

Article text in full below.
(Comments also include a similar situation developing in Cairns Australia where a mother has been arrested for killing 8 children.)

Officials in a Philadelphia suburb have yet to capture an Iraq war veteran they say carried out a shooting rampage early Monday (local time) that left six of his estranged family members dead, including his ex-wife and her 14-year-old niece.

He also apparently briefly abducted his two daughters from his ex-wife’s home before dropping them off with a neighbour and vanishing.

Former Marine Corps Sergeant Bradley William Stone, 35, of Pennsburg, Pennsylvania, is being sought for shootings at homes in the towns of Lansdale, Lower Salford Township and Souderton.

ALLEGED KILLER: Bradley William Stone, 35, is accused of killing six family members.

Montgomery County law enforcement officials described a series of attacks between 3.30am and 5am, after Stone dropped off his daughters and disappeared, abandoning his vehicle and his cellphone at an undisclosed location.

The victims were all family members of Stone’s ex-wife, Nicole, 33, who divorced Stone in 2009 and was found dead in her home in Lower Salford Township.

“They’ve been fighting for years, real bad,” a neighbour, Michele Brewster, told the Allentown Morning Call of Nicole and Bradley Stone. “He’s been tormenting her. She’s gone to the police, and she has told everybody, ‘He’s going to kill me.””

The pair had been involved in a protracted custody battle over the pair’s two daughters, Matthew Schafte, 42, a friend of Bradley Stone’s, told the Los Angeles Times.

“She was trying to hold the kids from him, and he just snapped,” guessed Schafte, of Harleysville, who said he’s known Stone for 20 years. “But to snap by killing her family members is not the Brad that I know. “¦ He was a nice guy.”

Stone was seen around 5am, after the rampage, when he “delivered” the two daughters with a neighbour in Pennsburg, Montgomery County District Attorney Risa Vetri Ferman told reporters in a brief news conference.

The girls were safe, Ferman said. But much of their extended family is now dead.

The first attack apparently began at 3.30am in Souderton, where Nicole Stone’s sister, Patricia Flick, Flick’s husband, and the pair’s 14-year-old daughter were found dead, Ferman said.

Flick’s 17-year-old son was injured in the attack and was apparently not found until shortly before 8am, when authorities visited the home and transported him to an area hospital, Ferman said. His name was not released and the extent of his injuries is not known.

25 Responses to “What makes nice guys turn nasty”

  1. Bruce S says:

    Killing six people and in all probability, leaving your two daughters orphans, is not the act of a “nice guy”. I’m sure many of us here have gone through the same “mental torture”, being wrongly separated from our kids; but killing six people is not an act we would have contemplated. We all know the “state machine” in the majority of separated family cases, works against men. We know the ruse is simply to shift money from men to women. We can get bitter and twisted and enter the realms of twisted and convoluted logic; but there is absolutely no justification, ever, for killing anyone in these circumstances!

  2. too tired says:

    And long may it continue say the poiticians! Woo hoo we killed some more. Merry Xmas.

  3. Julie says:

    I get this man while I don’t know if I get others.

    He would have experienced great trauma during war. He would have been powerless and simply trying to survive, I presume.

    Then later in his life, another experience comes along placing him in the exact same position.

    He couldn’t do it all over again while he couldn’t stop others from forcing it upon him.

    I have a feeling I would have done the same.

  4. Julie says:

    I mean I ‘MAY’ have done the same.

    That’s better. 🙂

  5. Downunder says:

    You go off and fight a crazy old Middle-East war and come home to find the laws of the country you are fighting for no longer preserve your relationship with your children.

    Hell, what was the point?

    That may just be enough to send someone to war with their own country, and estranged family members.

    Easy to say there no justification to the violence from the man, but what about the violence done to him, was that justified?

  6. Downunder says:

    Reality is, it’s happened here before, that’s how we got landed with the Dometic Violence Act.

    The same situation exists here – Family Courts hide evidence of how they dealt with the matter:

    Stone and his ex-wife had (been) fighting over their children’s custody since she filed for divorce in 2009. He filed an emergency motion this month, although the resulting Dec. 9 ruling remained sealed in court files.

    Something else I noticed in the article:

    Stone had faced several driving-under-the-influence charges, one of which was handled in veterans’ court and led to a three- to 23-month sentence.

    They have a separate court in the US Justice System to deal with veteran ‘offending’.
    (Veterans make up 13% of the US unemployed)

  7. Julie says:

    Downunder,

    After reading your comment I have changed my mind and feel even further away from ‘GETTING’ this man.

    I am now confused and offer up the possibility of him being a psychopath and that perhaps the ‘nice guy’ is simply his mask covering a selfish, entitled narcissist.

    …………….

    I know this man and I am reminded women are this way too. The woman in this separation knew there was a high chance he was going to kill her and I bet he told her so as part of his threats and intimidation.

    GRRRR.

  8. Downunder says:

    8 kids and a women stabbed

    Eight children have been stabbed to death in Cairns, Australia, and another woman is in hospital with injuries.

    The children are aged between 18 months and 15 years old, police have confirmed.

    A woman, 34, is being treated for serious injuries and is assisting police.

  9. rc says:

    “The situation is well controlled at the moment. There shouldn’t be any concern for anyone else out of this environment.”

    I think that means they’re not looking for anyone else in connection with.

    I thought the preceding Herald headlines the same day made an interesting contrast:

    -Dad jailed for critically injuring baby (4 years 5 months prison)
    -Businessman chained victim in ‘dungeon’ (15 years prison)

    Pretty severe justice there, and both these guys single victims are still alive.

    Let’s see how the courts deal with a woman who kills 8 children.

    Check out the Andrea Yates story for a clue (hint: they tried to charge her husband).

  10. Downunder says:

    #8
    The 37-year-old mother of the children found dead in a Cairns home yesterday has been arrested for murder.

    Now watch the media look for excuses that drove this women to a desperate act.

  11. Downunder says:

    @Julie

    What I don’t like about your suggestion is that the end result must be a consequence of a pre-existing condition, and that society has no role in the development and circumstances around the end result.

    That’s a great escape from responsibility for authority.

    I know this man and I am reminded women are this way too. The woman in this separation knew there was a high chance he was going to kill her and I bet he told her so as part of his threats and intimidation.

    GRRRR.

    All men are bastards, eh.

  12. Downunder says:

    Strewn around the body of Montgomery County mass murderer Bradley Stone were two prescription pill bottles, a machete, a double-bladed ax and an energy drink bottle with white powder around the lip..

    Any of the items “could have contributed” to the death of the ex-Marine Corps reservist who killed his former wife and five of her family members in an early morning rampage Monday, Montgomery County District Attorney Risa Vetri Ferman said. But, Ferman added, the precise cause of his death won’t be known until all post-mortem tests are complete.

    No suicide note was found.

    Source:

  13. Julie says:

    Downunder,

    I remember one of the men’s lawyers saying in the FC, “Fathers this and that” and the other lawyers in the courtroom replied, “Let’s not go there”.

    I agree with those other lawyers for I don’t think EVERYONE should be labelled ‘man hater’ EVERYTIME they hold a man accountable or question a man’s actions or consider a victim’s position.

    ……………..

    I know the feminists have gone down this road, but it’s a ‘wrong’ road, IMO. They are harming not just the victims but the perpetrators they protect AND simply for suggesting this, I will be labeled a woman-hater, lol.

    YOU don’t have to be a feminist’s clone, hehehe

  14. Downunder says:

    @Julie

    There’s a difference between holding someone totally accountable for their actions … and … understanding why in the end they did what they did.

    The difference being whether everyone is entirely responsible for their own actions … and … whether society bears any responsibility for the environment created and the outcome and end result.

    The first scenario is applied to men and the second is applied to women.

    You are not seeing it this way … that two different standards are being applied, but you have just done some the same thing.

    Because of what happened he must have been ‘whatever’ (you put those labels in above), I know his type etc. The man must be guilty because he was pre-disposed to some terrible condition that made him behave this way.

    That thinking won’t be applied to this women mentioned above. OMG, society let her down, something must have been terribly wrong for her to kill her 8 children.

  15. phil watts says:

    if a man kidnaps his children he is prosecuted by the biased ‘justice’ system, if a women does it then she “had to as she was a victim” of unproven ‘domestic violence’.

    Typical hypocrisy and manipulation of the narrative by feminists.

    automatic 50;50 custody upon breakups would solve most of these problems and automatic mandatory counselling and mediation would too. simple fix, but those with vested interest in deaths and conflict prefer to increase it by making Draconian child abusing statutes and encouraging biased lawyer/judges and cops.

  16. Downunder says:

    The only reason you need custody, is because mothers and fathers don’t exist.

    Custody is the state deciding where the child will be safe (where it will be imprisoned for its safe keeping).

    I see you haven’t woken up to that one yet phil.

  17. MurrayBacon says:

    #15 Phil – spoton. familycaught$ only hurts people who take it seriously. Wonder why this is so?

  18. Downunder says:

    @Murray

    Because they trust that the some degree of fairness as in our criminal courts might exist in the Family Court.

    They have no idea what they are buying into.

  19. MurrayBacon says:

    Dear Downunder, our criminal caught$ are fairly loose with evidence too, so the cultural degradation gap between the familycaught$ and the criminal caught$ is somewhat less than we might like to believe, in my opinion. The seeds of the deliberate failure of the familycaught$, were sown in the District Caught. The District Caught has shown its propensity to judicial activism/corruption too.

  20. Downunder says:

    So, in terms of this post the two things that make nice guys turn nasty would be abuse of power and breach of trust?

  21. rc says:

    So, in terms of this post the two things that make nice guys turn nasty would be abuse of power and breach of trust?

    No.

    The main reason nice guys turn nasty is because they refuse to renounce their dreams. Their visions of betterment.

    Once any man sees the world for what it is, and stops trying to improve it, the sooner he switches his focus to his own life, and how he might improve that.

    Everything gets way better then.

    But not a word of it it will make the NZ Herald.

  22. Julie says:

    I’ll tell you an experience.

    On Xmas day, I had a father I considered a terrorist at my door CRYING and thanking me. He intimidates everyone and when drunk he even walks the street saying, “My [name] street, my [name] this and that” because he works at being the alpha male which must be tiring for he has to beat up all the younger or same age men in the neighbourhood.

    He calls his many kids ‘cunts’ and tells them to STFU when they cry.

    When he was crying at my door, one of his many children rushed over to look at his face at which time I said, “Men are allowed to cry”.

    I love seeing men choose something other than beating the fuck out of another man for doing something from raping one of his children to much lesser things. I say, “Y’know, you are showing all the younger men in your family that they have another choice”.

    The thing is….. this isn’t about feminism or masculism or it’s a man or woman’s world. This is about choice and the main point is that perpertrators need and really want to be held accountable.

    All of what we are supposed to be doing is about FREEDOM. Freedom to be what you are.

    I don’t think any of us should be making excuses for unhealthy behaviours or blaming someone else.

    There’s many, many, many people changing, breaking chains locked on them from European rule for 400 years or their culture before that, challenging what it is to be a warrior, and more. I think we should be encouraging education, encouraging people to look at consequences, encouraging change…… while discouraging blame and hate and victimhood and entitlement.

  23. ManAlive says:

    My New Year wish – that more people realize how wonderful men often are.

  24. Downunder says:

    Stuffed News this morning – (unnamed opinion) New Year Honours list has too many men and not enough women!

    Is it habitual thinking in New Zealand or just their editor?

  25. mopardad says:

    yeah I read that crap…..

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