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Sat 17th September 2016

Surprise Surprise, The Chief’s Stripper Lied

Filed under: General — Ministry of Men's Affairs @ 2:15 pm

Told you so. Let’s see how much prominence our misandrist media gives to this information.

Many people appointed themselves judge and jury regarding this lying stripper’s allegations, making the same mistake that our Courts so often make in taking a sexist position favouring women’s tales. Will we see apologies from the following people to the Chiefs for unfairly judging them, to the Rugby Union for unfounded allegations of a poor investigation, and to the public of New Zealand for manipulative misandrist propaganda?

John Key, Prime Minister, who said “I think the Chiefs would be very disappointed in their behaviour” and “We’re brought up in New Zealand to have respect for women and what looks to be the case in this particular instance is that that wasn’t on display.”

Labour MP and ‘sexual violence spokesperson’ Poto Williams who said the NZR investigation had failed to deal properly with the poor behaviour of the Chiefs, “Once you just start to leave the door a little bit open, it means that you’re providing an opportunity to say there’s not much to see here and let’s go away, and that’s not the case because we really need to [say that] disrespecting anyone in our community is not on” and “If we think about the stance that the Chiefs had a few years ago, they were outstanding champions in the area of family violence and were fully participant in the It’s Not OK campaign, and they seem to have really fallen off that wagon, so to speak.”

Green Party MP and ‘women’s affairs spokesperson’ Jan Logie (they don’t have one for men’s affairs, men don’t matter) who said the results of the inquiry were “deeply disappointing” (isn’t that just so telling?), and “Not only have they missed the opportunity to apologise to this woman who was treated badly…but they’ve also gone public and kind of made it worse” and “Stripping per se is not bad, but people not being able to do their job safely is bad…” and “We have very high rates of violence against women in this country and we have had far too many public cases of women coming forward with concerns around their safety being publicly sacrificed for speaking out, and sadly I think this is another example of that”, and who called for Women’s Affairs’ minister Louise Upston to step down after she refused to comment about the investigation or the Chiefs’ behaviour (a very sensible decision in the absence of good evidence of the stripper’s allegations).

Race Relations Commissioner Dame Susan Devoy who described the stripper’s allegations as ‘disgusting’ (well yes, she was correct but not in the way she intended; they were disgusting lies), who called on New Zealanders to sign an open letter asking NZR “to seek support in addressing their internal culture issues”, and who said “People deserve to be treated with respect and dignity and there’s none of this shown in this inquiry…” and

Sexual violence survivors advocate Louise Nicholas who said “They should have had somebody independent come in and do that investigation, not somebody from the inside. The complaining, Scarlette, was questioned last – that’s not how you operate an investigation…” (But Ms Nicholas, you failed to mention that the stripper refused to be interviewed when asked at the outset of the Rugby Union’s investigation, then she changed her mind later and was interviewed then.), and “They said sorry to everybody but the woman who was involved. That sucks big time … I felt that was bad on their part….I’m really, really feeling for her” and “…the team’s “absolutely disgusting” behaviour has brought the whole rugby union into disrepute”.

‘My Food Bag’ founder Cecilia Robinson who said the conduct was unacceptable for a professional team, that the team’s “conduct at the post-season event was insupportable and does not reflect the values of My Food Bag…”, and who withdrew sponsorship of the Chiefs team as a result of the stripper’s allegations

Lion Nathan spokesperson Ben Wheeler who said “Clearly the behaviour demonstrated at the post-season celebrations was not acceptable and is very disappointing.” (What, he ‘clearly’ knows the truth based on a stripper’s allegations?)

Those in the NZ Human Rights Commmission who penned an open letter to NZers claiming the Rugby Union’s investigation “has highlighted to all New Zealanders that NZ Rugby’s judiciary process is not appropriate for dealing with issues of integrity, mana, respect and basic personal rights” and “As much as New Zealanders love rugby – we need New Zealanders to respect women.”

Everyone who signed the Human Rights Commission open letter and thereby supported its misandrist form of injustice, including
• Dr Jackie Blue, EEO Commissioner
• Louise Nicholas, Sexual Violence Survivors Advocate
• Prue Kapua, National President, Maori Women’s Welfare League
• Barbara Williams, National Council of Women
• Caren Rangi, National President, P.A.C.I.F.I.C.A (Pacifica Allied (Women’s) Council Inspires Faith in Ideals Concerning All) Inc
• Dame Susan Devoy, Race Relations Commissioner
• Nive Sharat Chandran, Co President YWCA of Aotearoa New Zealand
• Sina Wendt-Moore, Co President, YWCA of Aotearoa New Zealand
• Monica Briggs, CEO, YWCA
• Karen Johansen, Indigenous Rights Commissioner
• Jan Logie, Member of Parliament
• Ruth Dyson, Member of Parliament
• Tracey Martin, Member of Parliament
• Catriona McClennan, Barrister and Social Justice Advocate
• Leonie Morris, Auckland Women’s Centre
• Eileen Brown, Council of Trade Unions
• Sue Kedgley, UN Women
• Dr Kim McGregor QSO , Director of Tiaki Consultants.
• Vicky Mee, Business and Professional Women
• Jane Drumm, Shine
• Erin Polaczuk, PSA
• Deborah McKenzie, Inner City Women
• Christine King, President, Pacific Women
• Denise Ritchie, Stop Demand
• Dr Janette Irvine

Equal Opportunities Commissioner (meaning ‘Female Superior Opportunities Commissioner’) Dr Jackie Blue who said it was time for NZR to address its “internal culture issues” and “NZ Rugby has previously refused to take up offers of support and expertise from external parties with these sorts of investigations. Until they do, these investigations will continue to produce the exact same results.” (Yes, quite, and when the ‘support and expertise’ is provided this will ensure investigations always find fault with accused men and exonerate lying females.)

Expat writer Katherine Dolan who criticized NZ’s masculine culture of the kind demonstrated in the recent case of Chiefs rugby players fondling a stripper, rather than truly valuing women.

Minister Paula Bennett who said when asked if the Chiefs should apologize to the stripper “Most certainly. I think the Chiefs should perhaps accept elements of their own behaviour, own that and look at moving on.”

Minister Judith Collins who said the Chiefs should apologize to the stripper and “I’m pretty disappointed in them and I think it’s time they stopped that stupid behaviour, grew up and got on to the rugby.”

Polly Gillespie, one of the many undeserving current writers for the NZ Herald, who wrote “It’s not a woman’s fault she was raped because she wore a short skirt. And it’s not a stripper’s fault if alcohol is thrown at her!” and “I have no idea if the woman hired to strip for a bunch of victorious rugby players thought that it could turn nasty. Why is the default to always find blame with the woman and explain away the behaviour of our darling boys? Come on now!” (Polly, Polly, you are so poorly informed that you didn’t even find out the Chiefs were in fact not victorious…)

The many other NZ notables and all the armchair jurists at home who were too quick to jump to judgement simply because allegations were made by a woman and fitted popular misandrist ideology.

29 Responses to “Surprise Surprise, The Chief’s Stripper Lied”

  1. Simon grant says:

    Rugby Was The Winner On The Day.

    I guess various people will write apologies to “those nice fellows at the chiefs” and “those good hard working dole of integrity at the NZRFU.”

    Oh yes those quick to criticise, admonish, attempt to capture the moral ground over this will no doubt make themselves accountable in true Kiwi style and apologise for taking a position from an ill informed standpoint. Pubic

    Apologies for the chiefs and the NZRFU from those on the open letter perhaps.

    Now we turn our attention to Scarlett.
    No one has mentioned the appropriateness of her vocation.
    Scarlett takes her clothes off and dances around.
    Scarlet did a deal so that someone could “lick her”, this must be her choice.
    Prostitution is the worlds oldest profession, it is legal, if she has done something wrong, perhaps she will be charged .
    Perhaps she should not have taken money of a poor fellow, a little intoxicated and performed an indecent act on his tongue.
    Will she be charged?

    It is nice that Scarlett was kissing the players.
    This can only improve the chiefs profile, clearly they have good team/stripper relations and have fostered that over time with their thought and attention to detail and they embrace their female support – this is an iconic side, in touch with their feline side and supporters.

    Now we can turn our attention to matters more important The Health of “Pine Tree”

  2. golfa says:

    #1 Simon grant, there won’t be any apologies forthcoming. Just like the “gang of 88” Duke University professors who signed a presumptive advertisement about the Duke Lacrosse case which subsequently was found to be a complete fabrication. Actually, the parallels between the Duke Lacrosse case and the Chiefs is quite similar. The only difference is that the Chiefs haven’t had to deal with a crooked, overzealous prosecutor. Yet.

  3. mantrol says:

    It was pretty obvious that she was lying.
    An apology has to be demanded.

    Egg on lots of deplorable prejudging faces .

  4. mantrol says:

    Do women lie about rape?? http://youtu.be/Gbb03SnhHOM

  5. WayneBurrows says:

    With regard to the Greens women’s affairs stand and their lack of men’s affairs spokesperson. I wrote to the Greens about this prior to the 2011 election. Here is the response I received:

    Hi Wayne we have a drafted mens policy but its still being discussed in our grassroots democratic process. Men and women have many similar issues but women also have particular issues like equal pay and far higher impacts from ubiquitous violence against them by men. Men also have unique health issues which need particular advocacy.
    Thanks
    Catherine
    Authorised by Catherine Delahunty, Parliament Buildings, Wellington

    Apparently five years is not enough to finalise this police.

  6. Simon grant says:

    Hell’s Teeth,

    Wayne (5) tough response from Cathrine who doesn’t comment on how “ubiquitous” men’s health issues might be.

    Could they suffer health issues from parental alienation for example?
    False allegations?
    Anxiety from not seeing their children?
    Arrest with charges with drawn?

    It’ s good to see a wide reaching consideration from Cathrine on men’ health issues.

  7. Ministry of Men's Affairs says:

    This talk by Professor Janice Fiamengo considers the false and eternal victimhood beliefs that have been adopted by so many women under feminist indoctrination, and suggests it may be a form of ‘mass hysteria’ like that giving rise to thousands of people claiming they were abducted by aliens, and similar phenomena. Unfortunately the mass hysteria created by feminism is huge and world-wide. Although we are seeing a downward trend in some countries, the likes of Helen Clark are determined to ensure it will rise again in new countries. We won’t see any end or cure for it any time soon.

  8. Ministry of Men's Affairs says:

    A good sentence I saw on another youtube video said “I don’t know which is worse: feminist lies or people believing them”.

  9. Simon grant says:

    The reality is that most people belief in gender agnostic pay rates.
    Men and women should be paid in accordance with their ability to do the job, gender does not matter. I have never worked in an environment where a man and women do the same job equally as well and the woman is paid less because she is a woman. That is not right and I am unaware of its existence.

    Men do no believe the woman’s place is in the kitchen any more than the mans place is repairing the car. If the woman is better at fixing the car then it’s better that she does it.

    Violence towards men from men is not a go. There are laws about this
    Violence towards men from women is not a go.
    Violence towards women from men is not a go. There are laws about this they are enforced.
    Mothers and fathers should parent the children, separated or together.

    Most people believe these things so what is it the feminism is actually on about, what do they have to prove, complain about?
    Do men receive the same treatment as the women with this list?

  10. too tired says:

    The NZ Herald and Stuff keep saying they threw gravel at her, it’s gotta be liable now?

    Any read that 70% of unmarried males between age 18-30 in Japan are single. Well done them! We should try to beat that here in NZ.

  11. Yeah, nah says:

    @Simon Grant. I think the money system could work better. I think our money system needs to represent nature/life/reality, the give and take way of life. Take what you need give the rest. Prehaps in the future, money won’t be needed. Feminism, and the like represent a parasite trying to extract all the goodness out of the host and then leave it dead. NZ is in a terrible state

  12. triassic says:

    Hey! Give these females who signed the open letter a break. Is it their fault that they are prone to act on emotion rather than facts? Sometimes facts can just get in the way of a woman’s right to express herself. Men are always bringing facts unnecessarily into the debate and it’s just not fair. Just because Scarlett has been found to be a liar does not mean that all males are not rapists. 🙂

  13. Simon grant says:

    To Tired.
    Men in Japan are taking the single option and that’s Japan.
    A very good friend is married to a Japanese lady, she is really lovely, a great mum, really good business mind and ahe has her role, he has his.
    He would never consider a kiwi woman again.

    I have another friend married to a Thai lady, wow is he happy after being married to his kiwi wife for 25 years who left him for another guy, a fat slob as he has turned out. Man is he pleased about that.

    He laughs about it, he is so pleased.

    So when this crop of kiwi women we have here have bludgeoned the kiwi bloke to the point where we adopt the view of the Japanese man whereby the Kiwi bloke is not interested in nazi feminist, man grinding, dumpy, hair in a bob, power dressing, process laden, politically correct, fart box, self serving kiwi women they too might take up with a Japanese man or a Thai man and won’t that be a laugh a minute.

    What they sow, so they will reap.

  14. mantrol says:

    Feminism harms women just as much as men.
    Chick I know has committed suicide after a number of failed relationships including her sons and was not happy with how her life turned out. The thing is women don’t know what’s good for them.

    I too have an import wifey 🙂

  15. survivor says:

    Er no I don’t agree that feminism harms women as much as it hurts men , just saying .

    Not all Kiwi girls are bush pigs either , just ….. most of them .

  16. Simongrant says:

    Go have a look at some of the dating sites.

    Thousands of them, in their 40s, 50s, 60s, “single again” Children all grown up, looking for that someone special to spend those special moments with.

    Most males they seek in that age group have been married or in a long term relationship, went through the Family Court, got worked over, walked out in their underpants and socks (make that underpants and one sock) had to listen to utter shit about some guy then you realize that the mothers legal aid jockey is talking about you.

    Then you sit there as someone like C4C bangs on about conflict, manufactures evidence to support a predetermined outcome while you watch this underhanded utter nonsense process lurch on.

    You then watch as the person that you once loved carries on alienating you from your children and sabotaging your every effort with them only to have you arrested because there is nothing on TV and she needs the entertainment.

    Then the dumpy mad cow is lonely and seeking a new soul mate or has hooked in some other guy and when you have realized what a horror head she actually is you slowly start to feel better and relish the opportunity you have had to see the back of her.

    The result is that most of these nasty old trout are stacked 10 high at the dump and are never going to have a decent permanent bloke in their lives again because they are horrible and unfuckable.

    They horror heads do get to sit around with the other coffee club horrors swapping stories about the Ex and what an arsehole he is.

    Congratulations you lonely empty old kiwi women, go home to corranation street and bottle of wine every night and guys, bless the opportunity the fart boxes have given you to get rid of them.

  17. Ministry of Men's Affairs says:

    Notice the deafening silence of all our news media now about the evidence that the stripper largely lied. The code seems to be that a male-bashing propaganda campaign should never be diluted by truth.

  18. mantrol says:

    Until till people start holding them accountable, it will not stop.
    Women are or can be quite indifferent to what harms men.
    So saying feminism harms men more is futile.

  19. voices back from the bush says:

    It was really disappointing to see so many people jump all over these footy players, presuming they are guilty of horrible conduct,then calling for drastic changes without any facts or evidence against them at all.
    I was particularly dissapionted with comments from labour MP Poto Williams saying NZ Rugby “left the door open” for future misbehaviour by not taking a stronger stance against the Chiefs.
    She is a victims advocate and I respect her for that, but she is guilty in this case of prejudging these men without considering the known facts. Others called the investigation a whitewash because no one was punished. Poto Williams, where is your apology?
    I’ve heard no apologies from her or many others that have chastised these players and the rugby union which Conducted a thorough and comprehensive investigation.
    There was no evidence of wrongdoing from the players and they deserve to be publicly apologised to.
    The stripper/hoar that acted against the rules of her agency and deserves to be named and shamed to reduce the risk that she repeat her lies and cause further damage.
    Few care that the players chastised have no recourse against her accusations and the slandering lies that stick like shit in the eyes of an ignorant public, brainwashed by a mindset of misandrist delusion.
    The rugby union should have just been honest and said- look folks, sometimes women tell lies.
    I’m sure the rugby union has learned lessons from this.
    Do not trust women in future, they cause so much damage when they tell gigantic fibs.

  20. voices back from the bush says:

    Does anyone else have time to write to one of the people that chastised the nz rugby union and the chiefs players who were falsely accused asking they apologise for Thier misjudgement? There’s a list of them at the top of the page.
    This is mine sent to Poto Williams mp,

    Dear Poto,

    I was dissapionted that you prejudged the players and the rugby union in the wake of accusations from a stripper at Thier function.
    Your press release was as follows,

     MP Poto Williams (right) says NZ Rugby “left the door open” for future misbehaviour by not taking a stronger stance against the Chiefs.

    As a community spokesperson I would expect you to have gained a full knowledge of the situation before making a statment which clearly insinuates that the men accused and the rugby union were at fault in this instance.
    There were many others who have also prejudged and called the investigation into the scandal a whitewash since no players were punished.
    We now know that the woman lied about the events of the evening and this now remains undisputed. The results of a  thorough and comprehensive investigation into clear video footage and corroborating statments by independent witnesses remains undisputed also.
    The NZ rugby union  deserve to be commended for it not chastised presuming they had covered up abuse.

    As for the players they will never have a chance to clear thier names and will have suspicion hanging over them by a concerned public that listened to statements like yours.

    Please show fairness towards these men as they have been through hell over these false accusations by issuing a public statment of apology for prejudging these men and the fault of the rugby union.

    If you question any of the information  in my email please let me know so I can send you links to the  facts of the scandal.

     Thank you,
    Kind regards 

  21. Ministry of Men's Affairs says:

    Well done ‘voices’

    We have sent the following, with slight variations, to the MPs on the list and we will send similar to the others.

    Your Apology Is Due

    Dear Member of Parliament

    Now that the evidence from CCTV and from all witnesses shows that the allegations made by stripper ‘Scarlette’ against members of the Chiefs rugby team were almost all false, will you issue an apology for your premature statements that treated her allegations as true? The investigation by the Rugby Union, which is entitled to make any investigation it chooses using legal methods, was clearly sound and thorough. Apologies are due to the Chiefs team for your careless and sexist prejudgement of them, to the Rugby Union for implications that their investigation was corrupt, and to the public of NZ for your using this stripper’s false allegations in order to foster disrespect towards males and division between the genders.

    For sensible analysis of the matter including reference to your own relevant public statements, see

    http://menz.org.nz/2016/chiefs-stripper-scandal/
    and
    http://menz.org.nz/2016/surprise-surprise-the-chiefs-stripper-lied/

    We look forward to your public retraction and/or apology.

    Yours faithfully

    ….
    Programs Manager
    Ministry of Men’s Affairs (A community group because successive governments have neglected the voice and welfare of NZ men)

  22. Ministry of Men's Affairs says:

    We wouldn’t recommend you hold your breath for an apology from any of these feminists, unless you are a free-diver wanting a lot of practice. They will do whatever mental gymnastics they need to in order to convince themselves their ill-informed male bashing was justified.

  23. Ministry of Men's Affairs says:

    We don’t expect these nasty male-bashers will actually bother to tell us the excuses and justifications they will use to feel ok about refusing to apologize; they are too arrogant and certain that it’s ok to treat men with discrimination, stereotyping and injustice (the very things they claim to object to when it comes to the treatment of women). However, let’s take a few guesses at the themes of some of their excuses and self-justifications.

    a. “The stripper was telling the truth, so the video surveillance of the entire episode and all the witnesses must have missed something, and anyway I know better”;

    b. “The stripper felt offended and as though she was being treated that way, and that is what was important regardless of the truth or otherwise of what she alleged”;

    c. “Women everywhere are harassed and treated similarly to what the stripper alleged, so even if she lied she was telling many other women’s truth”;

    d. “Men and especially rugby players are neanderthals who must surely be harassing and abusing women so the allegations in a general sense applied fairly to them”;

    e. “Even if the stripper lied we still live in a rape culture and men still need to ensure that no woman ever feels offended by men’s toxic masculinity, so my comments were valid”;

    f. “Although I like to use terms such as ‘entertainer’, ‘performer’, ‘dancer’ and ‘worker’ for women who take off their clothes and behave in sexually debauched and/or provocative ways to stimulate men’s sexual drive for profit, I like to use words like ‘perverts’, ‘misogynists’, ‘chauvenists’ and ‘exploiters’ for the men who pay those women for this stuff and I believe the customers are maintaining our rape culture”;

    g. “Let’s conveniently overlook the bits that we believed in error and only focus on the things we said that we might still be able to defend, such as suggesting that the Rugby Union should have appointed an independent body to investigate, or that the Rugby Union should have allowed their investigation to be manipulated by feminist consultants who could have ensured nothing true came out”.

    We won’t bother analyzing these self-justifications for their invalidity, irrationality and/or hypocrisy, because that should be pretty obvious.

    Any other guesses at the excuses and self-justifications?

  24. mantrol says:

    I doubt we’ll even get an excuse let alone an apology.
    They just doubled down and started complaining about there being no women on the rugby board.
    And then there was that Jacky blue woman from the HRC complaining about the borad being all ‘white men’
    Why does she still have a job??
    It infuriates me that my tax dollars goes to this cultural Marxist outfit that falsely calls themselves the ‘Human Rights Commission’

  25. Jerry says:

    Stripper gate is still continuing in the news.
    Heading “No Stripper-gates in netball”
    Sub-heading “When’s the last time you saw an elite netballer in trouble?”
    http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/netball/84564365/netballs-alcoholfree-history-crucial-to-exemplary-reputation

  26. voices back from the bush says:

    I received an email from Poto Williams Mp.

    This is her reply.

    They had a stripper at their end of year function. In a country that idolises Rugby and their players, I have an expectation that their behaviour will be above reproach. However their club sanctioned both the consumption of alcohol and an adult entertainer (stripper). Neither alcohol nor adult entertainment are illegal, but misused they can be very damaging.
     
    As the Rugby Union continues to sanction these activities on their Mad Mondays, they “leave the door open” for future bad behaviour and they set a poor example for parents wanting to grow good men, not men that disrespect women and drink to excess.
     
    I am an advocate to protect the victims of family and sexual violence, you could hardly expect me to think this culture is okay. Its not okay!
     
    Thanks for your email, Poto

  27. Ministry of Men's Affairs says:

    We also received a reply from Poto Williams, and responded, as follows:

    Kia ora ….

    Thank you for taking the time to email me.

    The Rugby union’s investigation found that the bus driver was the person who ‘touched’ the stripper on the night of the Mad Monday celebrations.

    My comments were in relation to the fact that the club sanctions celebrations which include the consumption of alcohol to excess and Strippers as entertainment. Neither Alcohol nor Adult Entertainment are illegal, however the misuse of either can cause our community harm. My concern is that the Rugby Union believes it is okay to hold these types of functions. Given our nation idolises its rugby players, they have the chance influence young people and we all know that they do just that.

    Being an advocate to support victims of family and sexual violence, I welcomed the Chiefs taking the pledge not to stay silent about violence and becoming White Ribbon Ambassadors, though this was several years ago now.. The club became Champions of the Its Not Ok campaign and It led the other franchises in discussing the issue of violence. 1 in 3 girls and 1 in 6 boys experience a sexual assault in their lifetime and anything our community leaders can do to support change in our community is a good thing.

    This is why I was so disappointed in the Chiefs club permitting the Mad Monday activity. I don’t believe that this is the way to grow good men who respect women. Your group may have another view.

    I think through my comments and ensure I give a considered view and in this case I stand by the statements I made. I will not be apologising for these comments and continue to fight for a NZ that is free from violence, in the home and in the community and that all of our people are safe, regardless of the job they do.

    Please thank the members of the group for taking the time to contact me.

    Regards Poto

    Poto Williams
    MP for Christchurch East
    Labour Spokesperson
    Community & Voluntary Sector
    Disability Issues
    Labour Asscociate Spoksperson
    Justice (Family and Sexual Violence)

    Dear Ms Williams

    The bus driver may have done something inappropriate. However, the real violence in this whole incident was the stripper’s lies and the injustice you have shown, and continue to show, by treating accused men as guilty without proof and now even when the evidence has exonerated them. You now add to your violence by refusing to apologize for your error or for the harm you have caused them.

    Your mental gymnastics are a transparent display of male-bashing self-justification. You now criticize the Chiefs players for drinking and for hiring a stripper, claiming this provides a poor role model, yet for you the woman who agrees to sexually provoke young, fit, virile men in an alcohol setting is just a worker doing her job and has no responsibility for the effect her sexual provocation might have on those men, nor for her choice to take the gig or her potentially inadequate provisions for doing such work. As it turned out, the evidence showed that the men simply enjoyed the show, controlled their libido despite the stripper’s provocation, and did not behave badly. For you to continue to criticize them is simply beyond belief.

    We will remind the public of your gender discrimination and violence towards these men, and no doubt towards men generally. Your position is indefensible and your behaviour despicable.

    Yours faithfully etc

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