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Mon 2nd October 2006

Mâori women key to NZ economic growth

Filed under: General — Downunder @ 3:02 pm

More From Women’s Affairs Lianne Dalziel……

Mâori women have played a significant role in New Zealand’s strong economic growth in recent years, entering the workforce in record numbers and helping lift productivity, Minister for Women’s Affairs Lianne Dalziel says.

Mâori women have played a significant role in New Zealand’s strong economic growth in recent years, entering the workforce in record numbers and helping lift productivity, Minister for Women’s Affairs Lianne Dalziel says.

“Women have been a driving force in the renaissance of Mâori language, art, culture and commercial endeavour. It was Mâori women who set up the Kohanga Reo, Kura Kaupapa and Matua Whângai programmes and who have taken an increasing and vital role in iwi authorities, Mâori trust boards, urban Mâori authorities, and businesses,” Lianne Dalziel told delegates at the annual
Mâori Women’s Welfare League (MWWL) conference at Turangawaewae today.

Lianne Dalziel, who is also Commerce Minister and Minister for Small Business, said research showed that a high proportion of Maori women go into business for the opportunities it offers, rather than just out of necessity. Mâori were almost twice as likely as the general population to expect to launch a new business in the next three years, she said.

“Mâori were ranked very highly for business optimism, for the use of the latest technology and for expectations of job creation.

“This supports my strong impression that there are legions of confident, talented Mâori women out there who are prepared to ta ke risks to realise their vision. I doubt there has been a better time to be young, talented, female and Mâori.”

Between 1994 and 2004 the number of M̢ori women in the labour force grew 41 percent, from 68,000 to 96,000 and since 1991 M̢ori female self-employment has increased at double the rate of that of M̢ori men. In the same period the unemployment rate for M̢ori women was nearly halved, from 19 per cent to 10 per cent, and has since fallen further Рto under nine per cent. But there is still some way to go, she said.

“It’s good that Mâori women’s unemployment has fallen so much, but it is still well above that of both non-Mâori women and non-Mâori and Mâori men.”

The government hoped to see more Mâori women unlocking their talents and making use of opportunities such as those afforded by the Modern Apprenticeship Scheme, backed by additional funding over four years of more than $34 million announced in the last Budget, Lianne Dalziel said.

21 Responses to “Mâori women key to NZ economic growth”

  1. Makita says:

    Politically correct bollocks.

  2. Stephen says:

    Politically correct labia.

  3. julie says:

    Lianne Dalziel, who is also Commerce Minister and Minister for Small Business

    Oh, my God. You have to be kidding. I had no idea.

    John,

    Did you say that there is a men’s minister on some other post.

  4. JohnP says:

    Men’s Minister – not likely!

    The whole point of having a gender-based ministry is to disempower men.

  5. julie says:

    John,

    Well it seems I am misunderstanding femenism.

    Are you saying that the females in power at the moment want to disempower men? Are you saying that they are gender biased deliberately?

    Are you saying that they think men are useless and that they can do a better job being in charge for both men and women?

    If they are/aren’t then what are they standing for?

  6. Bevan Berg says:

    I don’t think it is that you entirely misunderstood feminism Julie, you just didn’t realise there was a mutant form called gynaecocranism

  7. julie says:

    Bevan,

    Haven’t got a dictionary on me at the moment. Never used this word.

    gynaecocranism

    I don’t know if I care too much what the women are doing. But if they want to hand out money then my palm is open.

    Someone said to me this morning that, “You don’t solve problems while at war but you do solve problems while at peace”

    I am a true believer in building an empire instead of trying to destroy another.

    I do like your website and am pleased you have donation status which also means you can get funding. Now I understand what you have been up to.

    I am wondering what area you are based in?

  8. JohnP says:

    Julie asks:

    Are you saying that the females in power at the moment want to disempower men?

    Of course – that is why radical feminists are so concerned with “Power and Control”.

    You learn more about this in Michael Weiss and Cathy Young’s 1996 essay on Feminist Jurisprudence: Equal Rights Or Neo-Paternalism?

    …the ideology of legal feminism today goes far beyond the original and widely supported goal of equal treatment for both sexes. The new agenda is to redistribute power from the “dominant class” (men) to the “subordinate class” (women), and such key concepts of Western jurisprudence as judicial neutrality and individual rights are declared to be patriarchal fictions designed to protect male privilege.

  9. julie says:

    Hi John,

    This article is ‘hmmm’ unusual to the work alot of women do in the community.

    So what do you do with this infomation.

    1. Assassinate these women?

    2. Give up and just accept males over the age of 10-12 are doomed?

    3. Build on the men’s side?

    4. Start turning women against women?

    There is so much male awareness going on in New Zealand at the moment. The next best thing will be a week named “men’s awareness week.”

    It just has to continue and get louder and louder. Men/women/children and groups have to demand for a men’s minister if there is not one. The government will have to listen.

    If after every possibility is exhausted and men’s rights are still disregarded we will shift our boys overseas.

  10. Stephen says:

    Julie,
    That’s right. There is an unprecedented amount of male consciousness raising going on in nz at present. And aparently it’s building furhter too.
    Unless the powers that be start to give men the kind of equal rights you see so passionately being argued for you may not have to worry about –

    If after every possibility is exhausted and men’s rights are still disregarded we will shift our boys overseas.

    as I suspect they will shift themselves elsewhere (The great OEs will become extended)

    or naturally being testosterone fuelled young men –

    they’ll ‘explode’ with righteous anger.

    Or maybe they’ll do both.

    Whatever way there’s an aweful lot of male energy wasted by being excluded from equal citizenry in nz.

    I recall a similar state of affairs for Jamaicans and Indians living in UK in the 1970s and 80s. Many of these disaffected second class citizens got so fed up they went rioting (Brixton, Toxteth, Manchester 1980 – 1981).
    It’s what happens when a section of society gets their aspirations and due rights unfairly squashed for a long enough period of time.

  11. julie says:

    Stephen,

    Yes, I agree things may get out of hand but we RAM so much of, “Men don’t hit women” into our society that men are going inward (depression, alcoholism and drug addiction) rather than expressing outward which gives ulcers and the like. But because you know all this and the possible future scenarios better I will not attempt this but instead,

    I want to re-discuss the ‘femenist recovery group.’

    I had an unusual discussion with a female last night. I woke up this morning wondering if I have been conned and if she was from this site.
    But, she was so sincere that I don’t mind.

    She says she learn’t things for herself and I didn’t mention my involvement here but I am have reconsidered the idea because it is really needed. And when people learn they are not alone and that there are others like them, actions usually come into play.

    There are too many games going on and it is the females edging the guys on and the guys reacting (which the women want) and getting locked up for breaching orders that is of concern to me at present. Women who are the new partners are angry and hurt and women are starting to see the DPB, the amount of power they have and being treated as children as a curse and are starting to see things were better off pre 60’s. But their anger is also a problem.

    I think maybe a website would be a start. I have visioned how this can work and I know it would be educational. I do have something coming into play about this.

    So, basically, I am going to do it but I have to pull back from getting involved in the men’s side. We do have to both work together and I would feel more comfortable working with women than men against radical femenism. (no trojan horse name hanging over the head LOL)

    But if there was a petition going around like ‘Wayne’s walk’ both sides could get involved.

    Our group is already in the process of starting a program to stop these games and resolve conflict as our overseas similar group, “Parents without Partners” does. I don’t know how much I can say but I myself and we as a group have gained alot of support and opportunities from this site.

  12. Stephen says:

    Julie,
    anything you can do to deal with women’s violence in nz would be very welcome.
    My advice to guys who find they’re with a woman who provokes them to the point whereby they are tempted to lash out violently is simple – leave them. They’re manipulative game players. No matter how sweet they are at other times their carrot and stick / good cop/bad cop routines are about one thing – controlling you. Do you want to be controlled? No. You know where the exit is then.

  13. julie says:

    No matter how sweet they are at other times their carrot and stick / good cop/bad cop routines are about one thing – controlling you.

    Do you really think it is the man the woman is trying to control?

    Do you not think that it is herself that she desparately tries to control?

    My favorite definition of anxiety is “Overstating the problem and understating your resources.”

    Insecurity is:

    Feeling of not being “good enough” to meet the challenge of a situation you face in life.

    Sense of helplessness in the face of problems, conflict, or concerns.

    Perception that life is unpredictable with most of the expectations you have to meet not clearly understood.

    Results from a sense of being unaccepted, disapproved, or rejected.

    Inner turmoil coming from a lack of direction or bewilderment as to where you are going, what your goals are, and what responses are appropriate for events in life.

    coping.org

    Women, just like males (who are lost in today’s society IMO) need a structured life style, a sense of direction. They need boundaries, responsibilities, predictability, protection blah, blah, blah.

    I understand your position of telling men to get out but I can’t help but wonder what exactly is a good woman like to you? Is she subordinate herself to the male? Or are you telling me that we will find twenty year olds (both genders) that will somehow never feel or act in a powerful way over the other.

  14. julie says:

    Stephen,

    After reading my comments I can see I am all over the place. This is a reflection of how my life is at the moment and I have to deal to it.

    So, I am going to have a break for a while.

    However, I want to thank-you for all the knowledge and time you have given to me so far.

  15. alyssa says:

    what exactly are the roles of men and women in the maori culture?

  16. julie says:

    Hi Alyssa,

    I don’t know if there are straight down the line ‘roles’ for Maori nor any other Western controlled society as such anymore.

    What IMO is more important is respecting each other for who they are as in their gender.

    The Maori males I speak with are acting like providers and protectors. Yet, this is hard for them while the women are also acting this way or should I say ‘Controlling’ the children themselves and the home and the money. Sometimes this is because a female is on the DPB and has little use for a male so she does it all herself and the male feels like he doesn’t have a part to play.

    This in turn pushes him away. And then he gets verbally abused for not being around or not being completely involved in raising the children.

    So, infact, it would be good if they worked together and relied on each other to offer what each other can do and respect and trust each other to do what they can.

    The problems I see that are making things bad for both Maori and European is the competition between the sexes instead of complimenting each other.

    If I was you, (and I did this) get books from the library on males and learn about them. Hope that is understanding as an answer from me.

  17. Benjamin Easton says:

    It is a question as concise by its rult to debate as instead: what is the first principle of racism?

    I am not denegrating your question but ask for the reply of motive to know. The answer thereby developes into who could provide such an answer.

    Logistically to define an accurate answer, you would ask Maori. Then if relevant to the here and now of New Zealand society you come to the definitions by questions such as those posed in Orewa 1. And then everybody starts.

    But you still haven’t got an answer to your question.

    The question then: if it is to generate from its reply an objective condition that is consistent with the debate on societal direction as transpires from the kinds of situations to which we presently find ourselves; wounded, Has to be asked of Maori.

    The question that dominates this event, for the asker, philisophically confused for asking the question, and necessarily to be questioned as to why that confusion should dominate another culter, for need to ask; is do Maori know.

    The answer categorically is yes. Obviously. The demand then changes. Why is the need for this question, not withstanding the severity by condition of its cause, necessary to be determined when the answer by those asked the question is so demonstrably within their control.

    Given that this conclusion for its presumption of tangata whenua to know the roles of maori men and women in their culture, is accepted, the variance to the conditions of the original inquiry can then be observed for their frequency. How often is this question asked?

    The answer from one with a name as likely to suggest European ethnicity as Alyssa is not very often, this; thereby, hosts the rationality of cause. Without frequency to ask the most obvious question in defining separation by functionality for the extreme differences between male and female, and thereby in societal health incorporating those functions into the mainstream of societal existence the problem as it manifests on those children disaffected from a condition of societal dysfunction is identified.

    So you cracked it.

    Maori need to be able to determine the variation of roles between male and female in a manner that is inclusive to mainstream society where (at present) the resources and commonality of that society are only accessible by a means alien to that primary (as indigenous) function.

    If your question is posed from any position of authority or for want by access in reformation of a societal condition that wounds infants at a disproportionate rate against those of other cultures, and the basis of the argument has been followed, (which I will presume) then the condition of the answer should be redefined into rewriting the original question.

    How are the roles of Maori men and women defined?

  18. Benjamin Easton says:

    Sorry that was “rule” no rult.

  19. julie says:

    I also want to add that Maori like any other culture plays roles with women and men being mum and dad.

    I have seen may times where the father was asked by the mother to take the child because he/she got into trouble at school or where hanging with the wrong crowd and on the streets.

    So the dad steps in, takes the child and starts disciplining the child only to have the mother step in and give in to the child’s cries of, “It is not fair.”

    And then the child goes back to mum and dad is an ars*h*le and the child goes back to playing up and getting into trouble with the law. But by now he is considered a deadbeat dad because he is a man and is to blame.

    Yet sometimes, maybe most times; as dad doesn’t like his kids defying his decision because he cares for their future, he says ‘no’ and says the child needs to go to school and puts his foot down on them (re:discipline.) So then mummy phones CYFS who takes the mother’s side because she has been the main caregiver and dad turns up to meetings only to be shut down and told to leave his own child alone.

    So now poor dad is helpless to give his child a fair shot in life. And the child goes back to bad behaviour.

    But then most dads don’t give up that easy on their children, so they visit mum’s home to discuss the child’s well-being and mummy phones the police and an protection order is placed on the father so that he cannot go near his child.

    And then, Government states to the country how pathetic a father he is and mummy stops all access between father and child.

    But then sometime in the future child comes back to dad or the whole scenario of mother wanting dad to help starts all over again with the next child. And sometimes CYFS realise what is going on and gives the children to dad.

    Benjamin,

    I don’t know about you but I have every right to speak up about men or women I know whether they are Maori, Chinese, European or from Mars.

    Eventually, everything will be mainstream and no person or culture is taboo when it comes to their rights as a male nor father.

  20. julie says:

    Benjamin,

    Maybe it helps that my children have Maori in them. lol

  21. Benjamin Easton says:

    The requireemnt from a point of fixing to eventually is the process not the content. Without it there is no such end – no matter the culture – no matter the gender. Ideally we will get into a position of consultative redirection from within the accepted authority of bicultualism, sooner than later.

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