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Thu 11th January 2007

What is Good for the Gander Isn’t good for the Goose, Yet Again

Filed under: General — Intrepid @ 4:12 pm

Dateline: Australia
Placed: Ross Mitchell
From: News.com.au via Dads On Air Australia

Priority News Exchange Program News Item (PNEP)

Ross Mitchell: Seeing as this is Queensland, one must ask why Ms. Hagerty is not terminally incarcerated until the children are returned, as a father (who was alleged to have removed his children from Australia) was-and still is.

AUSTRALIAN: Federal Police are searching for two Queensland children at the centre of a bitter custody battle.

Officers yesterday searched several homes in a bid to find Jaz Olivia Haggarty, 13, and Rocco Alexander Haggarty, 10. It is the second time the children have gone missing, sparking a police search, since their father was granted custody.

They first disappeared from Walloon, west of Ipswich, in January 2006 while on a supervised visit with their mother, 40-year-old Wendy Ann Major. Ms Major sparked a nationwide search for the children when she reported them missing, and appeared in the media asking the public for help.

It is now believed the children were with friends and relatives for more than nine months while police investigated the disappearance. Desperate father Peter Haggarty, 44, searched for the children for almost a year, and applied for a Recovery Order through the Brisbane Family Court.

It is alleged they were found in November, at a home in Toowoomba and had not been attending school since their disappearance. They had been moved around various homes in the Inglewood, Toowoomba and Sunshine Coast areas.

On Friday, Mr. Haggarty thought he would finally be reunited with his children after applying to have them returned through Brisbane Family Court. But the children disappeared again, while waiting to be returned to him. A source, who didn’t want to be named, said: “Peter has been to hell and this just keeps going,”

“He’s a good and loving father who hasn’t done anything wrong. He wants his kids back at home so please come forward if you have any information.”

Two of Ms Major’s brothers have joined Mr Haggarty and police in the search for the children. A federal police spokeswoman said state police were also involved in the search. “The AFP and state police are trying to recover the children,” the spokeswoman said.

12 Responses to “What is Good for the Gander Isn’t good for the Goose, Yet Again”

  1. julie says:

    This is just awful. There should be no gender bias when it comes to the law of kidnapping.

    You may be aware that we have a similar case in New Zealand where the mother is imprison for she took the son and now her father (grandad) has him in hiding. What is sad about this story is that the police have called off the search because there aren’t any leads and they feel they cannot turn every stone of NZ upside down.

    But to ordinary NZ people this is unsatisfactory. The police are there to protect and serve the people.

  2. Intrepid says:

    Dear Julie,
    Yes I read that story, but a bit of hush has come over everyone as they seem to have accepted this and moved to the next thing. Why don’t you write a story and I’ll get it beemed around to all of the forums & HN. Phone the police and ask them why they have called off the search and have they found the grandfather? If this were in reverse, and a woman was crying out for the child, would that light a fire under their ass. Or are they getting pressure from anyone above saying leave these people alone? All these questions would make you one hell of a reporter and prove all those men that don’t trust women anymore say, “except julie she different”.

  3. julie says:

    Dear intrepid,

    they seem to have accepted this and moved to the next thing

    This is not true. I am getting enemies alright but they are not the feminsits. My enemies are the ones that want change.

    Maybe I am not going about this the right way.

    I NEED a leader ASAP. Give me a lsit of things that need to be done. Tell me what will work and don’t give me a lsit of e-mail addresses that will change things for ONE man. Give me a list that will change things for my sons. I will tick them off one by one. And then praise for me each tick.

    Jumping from one to another issue is not going to work for ME. Do you remember when I first tried to be a part of this group. I have not changed. Think back.

    I asked, “What can I do.” But I won’t do something that is worth nothing. I won’t do something that makes 1% change and I won’t gather females to be “Anti feminists” for that is not in my or theirs interest. I refuse to trust men 100%. End of story.

    But hey, the man in the Human Rights Commission was wonderful. He said that if they can’t help they will direct me to who can. It is Christmas Holidays here and they are on a skeleton staff.

  4. Mike says:

    I can only but agree with what you guys have to say.
    I was involved in a search of a fair bit of bush about 7 years ago, to find a women and her kid that she had kidnapped.
    Hear of that in the News did you?.
    We were out in bush country and found nothing.
    Turned out her boyfriend had a helicopter.
    They’d shipped out 2 hours before we got there.
    Guys,
    I am not affiliated with the NZ Police, I am however a Station Officer with the NZ Fire Service, that takes part in SAR (Search and Rescue) functions for the Police.
    I am also a Chopper Pilot for SAR, I have been for 12 years

  5. julie says:

    My comment no.3 may not have made alot of sense so I am rewriting it.

    Dear Intrepid,

    I don’t have anything to prove to men. I just do my own life and if men find me good enough then great, if they don’t then tough. I don’t mean to sound like I’m bragging but men in general think I’m good enough.

    I will break down men’s walls if it is in my interest or theirs yet it is hard work. Not something I enjoy to do. You think the MRA men are tough. You should see the men in my life. It has taken me many years to get their respect.

    My work is for the young men, the teenagers and 90% of men’s groups clients are single mothers. Go figure. These changes will not be made alone by men and maybe the men in the MRA and women will not work together. Whatever. There are plenty of men not in the MRA that will help.

    Thanx for the opportunity but I don’t see the reason to care what men think of me. If I follow through by my actions, they will have no choice but to admit I’m OK.

  6. Intrepid says:

    Dear Julie,
    Men need to prove things to themselves and to others every day. That’s life beyond the family or any other sheltered world. The list is long of people we will have to prove things to in ones life. Employers, enemies, teachers, bureaucrats, judges and loyalty to friends. Women generally want everything for “who they are”(passive), yet always bend over backwards to be liked by strangers. That is as long as anyone doesn’t say so directly to them- for that would make them suffer the loss of pride.

    If you want men to respect you then prove to them what you can do regularly, not talk, the way you look, how many aquaintances you have (called friends) or powerful friends that will protect you. This is what men must do regularly, despite the Manginas “love me for who I am.” People are ever changing so how can anyone “know who you are” unless you do something regularly. I thought you were a modern woman and now you have retreated to the old fashion girl again. Which is it?

  7. julie says:

    Dear Intrepid,

    I thought you were a modern woman and now you have retreated to the old fashion girl again. Which is it?

    That’s unfair. I don’t fit into any box. I am modern and old fashion. Or if it’s possible somewhere in between.

    OK. I here what you say and that makes sense to me. I realise I am not going to win here so I suppose it is pointless bringing forward my 1000’s of (great) excuses. LOL

    Expect to here from me.

  8. Moose says:

    Julie,

    You say you don’t care what Men think of you.

    Pretty soon your sons will be Men.

    You say you don’t have anything to prove to Men.

    Well you do – to your sons. And you are proving important things to them as you post on this site, and learn the truths about the insipid way Men are being treated in NZ.

    You are an asset to us because you bring the perspective of the adverse effects of feminism on Women to us.

  9. Moose says:

    Julie –

    You also say you need a leader.

    A leader for this cause I think would mean an activist. The leader we require has to be somebody in government with enough power to combat the femocracy ( or should it be fem-tatorship ? )

    Going back to one of Stephens posts – Helengrad has stealthfully, and without resistance, moved her fem-agents into all of the key power positions in government who now oppose any move towards Mens rights, and with each new privilege Women have, they make look like a heroic action against “victimisation” of women.

    Our leader will be a MP. When, I dont know’. But I know it is inevitable.

  10. julie says:

    Moose,

    I shouldn’t have written that I don’t care what men think of me because it isn’t true in many situations. I have been pulled up for this attitude before. It is a selfish ‘cop out’. I do care for what men think of me that cross my path but I am not keen to care of men’s opinions overseas as that seems hard work. I will tell you about a friend of mine. Friend because the years have passed and I have proven myself.

    He was my first encounter of how feminism had affected a male. I rented one of the homes on his property when I first moved to Auckland. Cozy environment. Anyhow, he hated women. Infact he was constantly being accused of sexual discrimination at his work and he was not much better at home. When I would talk to him, you know, stand close to speak he would jump back. Infact he ran from me once. Yes, literally ran from me as if I was sheer poison. And he was hard on me. It didn’t matter what I did, it was never good enough while men he was easy on for their lot was automatically hard. But it wasn’t like that. I was working to change my lot by changing my son around, working and schooling part-time while these men did whatever took their fancy. I would get a grade of 85% and he would tell me that wasn’t good enough, that accountants must always get 100%. So, one day I came home with 100%. I struggled with a law paper so he told me to go clean the tutors house for extra learning which I did. Everytime I did something well he continued to lift the bar and everytime I continued I worked harder to reach it. I am grateful for his ways because today all is well with my family from putting the long hard days and nights into my goals. And today, low and behold I even get cuddles from him. Shoch horror to anyone that knows him. He is a beautiful man. He knows women are insane – infact he says that we are no good until we are 50 and he doesn’t even bother to reason with us. When things are really tough for me like when my son was cutting himself and I came home to ‘F***-YOU’ written on my kitchen cupboards in my sons blood, he reads to me. Yes, he reads me the latest book he is writing. In fact he now shares things he likes. I love it.

    My point is that many of the men in the MRA will be the same as he was and I don’t know if i can do this over again. Well, I could do it but I don’t know if I want to. I am aware the end result is wonderful for both genders but it is easier said than done.

  11. julie says:

    Moose,

    I know this is crazy as horoscopes aren’t real but I just happened to check mine while I was openig other pages. This is what mine said.

    People move in and out of your life all the time, with some that have the briefest stay, making the biggest impact. Angels come in all shapes and sizes and usually when you least expect them.

    If this just happen to be correct then you are the angel. I often think I complicate things more than they need to be but today you have shown me the answers. You see, I do get this and when I speak with others who get it or learn from what I say, they get angry of situations that men go through especially Chris Jones as he has spent so much time and money looking for his son and he seems so practical. Not only that but $160, 000 to get day-to-day care and the other family seems so messed up. And then people start to see the bigger picture in their own lives and get more angry and turn the anger onto me as if I can change things. I even see it in their faces if they say nothing. I think we need to turn this father’s coalition into a family coalition but I hear the word family doesn’t mean flesh and blood anymore so it is a hard task to change it to suit many females who are angry yet at father’s behaviours too. The common denominator is the FC and radical feminism.

    I didn’t see that my posting would be worthwhile for the cause even though you say so. How daft can one be. So it is not that I am going about it the wrong way, no as it is my thinking that is wrong. Thanx for showing me this. Now everything is making sense. Now I get why scrap talks of the giant awakening. Looks like I am going to need to support rather than breaking away to do my own thing which most likely has been tried over and over before.

  12. julie says:

    Oh, and Mike,

    I am however a Station Officer with the NZ Fire Service, that takes part in SAR (Search and Rescue) functions for the Police.
    I am also a Chopper Pilot for SAR, I have been for 12 years

    What an awesome thing you do. 12 years, eh? You must have seen some ugly things during this time. My father-in-law was also part of groups tramping in the bush as he was a helicopter pilot and a deer hunter. He has told me of a few stories and my neighbour was a police officer in Taupo. I remember seeing him at a crash site on the Napier/Taupo highway 1am in the morning. It was a horrific crash where children died and the helicopter pilots risked their lives to land near the crash scene because of strong winds. One of the firemen told me not to go near the car, that I wouldn’t cope with what I saw. But, I didn’t listen and had nightmares for at least a month. You guys are also our heroes and you certainly don’t deserve to be treated like second grade citizens to any female.

    By the way, that crash on the Taupo/Napier highway was of a family where the mother and 4 year old died at the scene and the 8 year old at Taupo hospital. Upset many nurses too as they had children around that age.

    But what was freaky is that I met the father and husband years later when I moved to Auckland. he was a mess yet I spent half the day with him giving all the details as he wished he was there and do you know he thanked me as if I had given him closure. We seemed to really bond and he told me of all the pain he felt and resentment he had endured from other family members.

    I don’t remember the case you are speaking of. Maybe I could look it up?

    Feminist think they should give nannies and childcare workers more money. Nuh, uh, it should be you guys getting more recognition and money.

    I would love to hear your story.

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