Man sets himself alight in Brisbane
It sounds like he sat down for a while and thought about it quietly. Then he set himself alight.
90 percent of his body was burned. He was taken to hospital where he died of his injuries.
It seems all but confirmed that this guy got shafted by the family court and decided there was no real future for himself.
I should be optimistic that the truth of this will come out. I mean in a civilised society the reasons would be identified and changes to the system made.
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The headline includes “…..after an unfavourable family court decision….”
And I am generalising: Suicide, private or publicly is a waste. There are always options, but some people just don’t want to know the options. They are too impatient to wait for delayed gratification, and they certainly have no regard for the effect on the baby/child/children.
When your dead, you’re dead. When you’re alive, the opportunities are limitless, whether you have just been bank-rupted, had your legs chopped off etc etc.
if the idiot didnt roast himself to a crisp he could have told it and i agree with celibates comments(weak and selfish)
Celibate 3 years,
You are right to remind me and others it WAS related to family matters.
However the opening sentence of that article says –
A MAN is believed to have set himself on fire outside of Brisbane’s iconic Supreme Court complex after an unfavourable family court decision, according to witnesses at the scene.
People are given to believing all sorts of stuff, some of which gets reported as though it’s truth.
Now whilst I suspect suspect he self-immolated because like many other fathers he got shafted there, I for one would say the belief that he got an unfavorable court decision doesn’t necessarily means it is a fact.
The blanket of secrecy shrouded around his suicide by Oz authorities and mainstream Oz media’s acquiescent failure in refusing to dig deeper into his story are facts however, and that’s scary.
Like I said before, life is a bitch any time, and on any day, in any country, and the reality is that most of the time it is not even personal…
That is, very often, too often, people just make very selfish self-absorbed choices, without regard to the extent that those choices will affect individuals, and then the consequences of those choices can have a snow-balling effect…
Of course that man got shafted, but 2 wrongs don’t make a right. Even if it was the case of a 12 year old girl hating her father’s guts, and the Family court ruling in the mother’s favour, he shafted the child when he burnt himself, and had the last say,
or perhaps he was a great father and lost shared custody of the baby – well he shafted the baby,
or perhaps he never asked or wanted a baby, and was going to have to pay child support for 19 years, well he shafted the baby and the mother…
So what he did was vindictive, or cowardly, or selfish or weak. He had other better choices for himself and everyone else.
Life can be a bitch alot. You just have to find ways to smile, and be good to yourself. But if you chose to have children, or have had the courts or IRD dictate to you, over and above your own free-will, there are still better legal ways, than private or public suicide.
May of us started off young, bright-eyed and full of hope… and perhaps we were even passionate about life, and spontaneous and believed in love, and fell into bed with someone…. and then found Family court knocking on our door.
At least let the kids have just a tiny little hope, and that man who burnt himself sent a very mean mean message to his offspring.
And what about me? And what about me.. and my pain and how I feel, and what I want, and what I need……..? Well it’s called growing up. If you don’t like it, make up your own 25 tips for “winning the game”.
What this topic is about is supposedly the implication that Family Court is driving people to suicide, therefore the system is seriously flawed.
It is the “no fault” dissolution of marriages that is the flawed piece of legislation.
Suicide happens for all sorts of reasons, and sometimes “helplessness” is the reason – the person can see no way out, or has no sense of life enjoyment anymore… How did the very first union of the two people that created the baby/child/children go so very wrong? It is too simple to get married, or create a baby, and here-in is where the problem is.
There was a time when it was simply a public shame to have a child out of wed-lock, and then obviously the legislation got changed along the way, and you could leave a marriage at ‘will’.
If children out of wed-lock was made illegal, and marriage contracts were drawn up like business contracts, there would be an initial public out-cry…. But then family values would kick in, and families would enjoy their family barbeques despite the bumps in the road, and the bumps would happen frequently, and families would still enjoy their family barbeques,
and now and again fathers and mothers would smile….. and children would become adults, and be shocked when Mum and Dad split up…. However, on the whole, there would be an INCREASE IN HAPPY families, and an increase in happy children that grew into happy adults, and a decrease in suicides in the years to come.
Thank you Celibate 3 years
I agree with you and those here who said what they did about no fault divorce, it is very wrong and it must be remembered that with every woman committing adultery there is another man shafting you too.
In my case my husband cheated on me in my home while I was at work!
I chose to forgive him and try and work things out in counseling etc but then she announces she is pregnant.
We had lost our son to CYF’s mainly because of my husbands history – I had chosen to stand by him because it was so unfair, we had done nothing wrong and proved it but they decided he was too much of a risk.
Yet now when he is with his mistress Cyf’s are supporting him staying with his mistress and letting him be Dad to his newborn.
He had said he was coming back to me after the birth but now has too much to lose.
I am left with NOTHING! No son and not even my husband for comfort.
My only comfort is God.
That is a very sad story, and not an unfamiliar story either. Two parents start fighting due to infidelity, and then lose sight of what’s important… and then CYFs moves in….
Your son is still out there and you are still his parent.
You must let your son somehow know that you are still there for him always.
It is a power-over game out there, and often the parent that complies with all the cheating spouses wishes, ends up the loser, and hence why I say focus on results and how to get them for yourself, but mainly for your children.
The bond between a parent and a child is priceless. Make a plan, find a focus, and break it down into steps, and keep praying. Keep goal oriented. Sometimes it will seem like you are getting no where fast, but you just have to be patient and keep plodding away, and smile always, and smiles will come back to you.
Until someone digs into this man’s background and gets the facts,
not the assumptions, not the ‘beliefs’ reported second hand, not the police spokesperson’s opinion, not even the views of those who saw him in person self immolate then all we have is conjecture. Some of the conjecture is getting heavy and demonizing too I see.
In my book it’s a terribly cheap shot to moralize about how he could have done this, that and the other instead of committing suicide.
So very easy to fire such shots when NOT leaving a court poleaxed and in a state of mental terror and confusion perhaps after months of unheeded depression which for all we know is how he may have been.
So intellectually lazy to preach from on high when not having gone through his life experience, nay not even knowing more than the last shred of it.
So arrogant to walk on a man’s ashes with clumsy aloof high mindedness.
Empathy people, always empathy.
I suspect C43y is a woman or white ant.
Julie,
I find that the ‘Don’t Get Married’ forum is about to be deleted by the owner, and he has publicly announced this only a few hours ago (due to copyright breaches that he doesn’t want to risk). I was able to locate Irlandes’ story using the link he provided, in which he stipulates that 2nd wives were the problem in counselling suicidal men(not all women – my bad).
What’s really interesting is that he describes one suicide by immolation and the local press’s refusal to publicise it, and the cold cynicism of women and their harsh judgment of men being a critical factor in holding suicide rates higher than they would otherwise be. All this from years ago. My, how little we learn.
There is a wealth of interesting stuff at this site. Shame it is disappearing soon, but I expect some men will be stripping it of copyrighted material and reposting it again in the future.
http://dontgetmarried.proboards75.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=general&thread=11792
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I started writing op-eds to my local newspaper probably around 1978. Feminists proposed that all child support payments be confiscated directly from a man’s paycheck. At that time, this sort of thing was still considered by society in general to be outrageous. I spoke against it. To be frank, it never occurred to me that it would ever become law. Clearly, I failed to understand just how stupid most men are. Thirty years later, I am still waiting for AM to stop attacking the few who have ever done anything, and start attacking their enemies.
It took them seven years, and I was the only person in our area who spoke out against it. Need I point out all the manginas informed me what a sorry, pathetic, stupid individual I was? After all, it would never affect them, right? In 1984, I think it was, Federal law, not state law, required that the first time a man (no one cared about women) fell 30 days behind on his child support, it would forever be required to be paid to a government agency.
The next year, the law was proposed that all child support forever be required to be paid to a government agency, not the ex-wife, even if he never fell behind. Again, I got my pedigree read by every stupid mangina egg-sucker, including being told that I should find a suitable hobby to keep my mind off unimportant things that would never affect anyone.
We tried to contact our US senator, who informed us that we didn’t understand the law, which only applied to those who were delinquent for 30 days. We never did know if he was lying or that stupid that he never read the proposed law, and also managed to forget that the year earlier that law had been passed already.
This law opened the gate for the present abuses. Once a large government agency is formed, you can be sure it works to increase its power and its income. The agency will always find a way to take your money for what they force you to do. And this also sets the stage for rules which mean you can never escape your c/s debt even if you become unemployed or disabled. And, of course, usually the agency gets court powers with little real appeal possible, something few people understand.
It was not much later that the next step, direct confiscation from a man’s paycheck, became law as well.
In summer 1984, I was invited because of my op-eds to visit a meeting of the local FR chapter. They had 2 judges and one of them said things like he paid no attention to any man who said his wife was abusing the kids, because he was as bad as she was. To my chagrin, the judge walked out under his own power, and I wanted nothing to do with those wimps.
Later that summer two members out of 35 committed suicide, one by pouring gasoline on himself. The local newspaper did not tell why he did it, and when a man wrote a letter complaining they said it was not their policy to print such private things. We all understood if a woman had burned herself over unpaid child support it would be on the front page of every newspaper in the country every day for three months.
I was induced by lies to attend an organizational meeting for a new group to deal with suicides. I chose to join in and was voted as spokesman of the group.
One of our biggest problems was the Second Wives. Later, we discovered that any second wife who came to meetings eventually divorced her husband, one hundred percent of the time.
The Second Wives were clearly there to control us. They would bring cookies and Kool Aid, and the men thought they were wonderful. But, they worked hard to make sure no man had an opportunity to express his feelings, even as men killed themselves. One fiend told me, “They gotta’ learn to act like men.” My first achievement was to get rid of them. We started encouraging men to express their pain, and this quickly changed to my phone counseling anyone who called me. For three years, until I was driven out, we had no more suicides.
A couple months after I took over as spokesman, a mangina came to a meeting. He said, “You guys are a bunch of losers.” Notice his first words were a personal attack, not a constructive criticism.
I said, “Tell me more.”
He said, “If you weren’t losers, you’d have a budget of hundreds of thousands of dollars and a large legal staff.”
I said, “Will you start the ball rolling by paying $15 annual dues?”
He said, “I am not paying dues to a bunch of losers.” He got up and walked out.
“Empathy people, always empathy.” Are you talking about the “Wherther effect”?
bingo! Kiwi!
No, Celibate for 3 years,
I’m not talking about the Wherther effect.
I’m talking about empathy.
There’s a difference.
I hope the link helps.
Thank you for the definition of “empathy”.
But you are a clever man, who want more people to empathise with you. And many many people already do empathise with you, and are often a short step from driving off the road on the way home after family court, and probably often do drive off the road, and sometimes into on-coming traffic, with it being written up as “falling asleep at the wheel.”
You are talking about the “Werther Effect” and you know it.
The system is flawed, and no-one is disagreeing, but his stunt is not going to bring about change. Far from it. The powers above will go in the other direction because of the message it would send if they responded to this stunt.
Judge Boshier and company, if it was in NZ, would just write this stunt up as “mental illness”, and no journo wants to be a part of the “Werther Effect”, and a good thing too.
The poor kid of this guy will then be teased at school, and told his father was a nut case… there’s nothing to be gained from private suicides or public suicides ever…. weak strains are regarded as losers, and those are the facts. People that likewise throw petrol on the spouse after family court are likewise regarded as losers/criminals/mental.
Larger society are terrified of the “Werther effect” and so they should be.
Celibate,
The interpretation of the word empathy I’m thinking of doesn’t end up in copy cat behavior. It’s simply being able to relate from ones own experience of feeling similar feelings. It doesn’t mean acting out those feelings in similar regard.
I’m disgusted at your stance on genetics, which seems to me to be chillingly close to Nazi eugenics. Horrible ideas about loser genes not being passed on. I thought we’d got past such but apparently not.
As for the surviving kids, whose to say he even had any. And in any case if he had whose to say he wasn’t distressed at having them systemically abducted from him AND brainwashed to think they were the progeny of a ‘looser’ anyway.
As for our very own head of ‘famil’ ‘court’ in NZ Boshier, from accounts you’ll read by exploring this site you’ll see the guy admits he has blood on his hands as it is, what with his kangaroo court failing abysmally to protect children by ensuring the father get a fair and open hearing with an outcome that precludes parental alienation.
I think you make far far too much of this straw man werther effect idea too.
precisely how many folks hung themselves by their own belts in a bedroom after the ENORMOUS publicity given to Oz superstar Michael Hutchence’s suicide?
Zero!
Not ten.
Not five.
Not even one.
Zero.
It reminds me somewhat of my Mom scolding me after I’d copied some daft unsafe behavior as a kid by saying “If I stuck my head in the oven, would you copy me”. “er no Mom” I’d say,and I don’t count myself as unusually independent in thought and action when it comes to not copy-catting self destruction.
It’s called the survival instinct.
It’s what’s driving the Men’s Movement.
Men are already under siege from feminists and their chivalrous sidekicks. A certain number get driven to suicide. Accept it, get over it and don’t bury it beneath mumbo jumbo for the sake of winning a debate.
I reckon the last thing we need is anyone who clearly lacks empathy and writes off guys as looser genes as allies.
Thanks a lot RC for sharing this with me. What a shame the site is being shut down. I think I’ve visited before but I didn’t see anything like this so didn’t go back. I’m disappointed.
Golly gosh. The government has certainly abused human rights in their actions and for this reason I can understand why Scrap wants CS scrapped.
There were some fathers that were at divorce ‘fault’ in the 70′s and they were able to adopt their children out to the state so they didn’t have to pay CS. Unfortunately, my father was one of them.
IMO, Irlades is saying how things got abused and I know it happened in the late 80′s, early 90′s as the laws got tougher on men because I read about the suicides in the ‘Taupo Times’, (I think that was the newspaper). I’m not sure if this is when the government made the policy so the media couldn’t report male suicides or not, but a couple of years back I wrote about a NZ man who is fighting to have this government policy uplifted. I think, if my memory serves me right, he’s a coroner that got sick of having to write reports on males who committed suicide.
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Wow about the second wives, …. I’ve heard a few MRAs say they are valuable and they were encouraging them to do something. I used to contact the women that made a comment on this site as a follow-up to see if they wanted to help. None have stepped up so far. Oops, incorrect, no second wives stepped up but one single mother has. Hehehe, I like her lots.
I have huge empathy for anyone who has to have their family voyeristically preyed upon, when they have done nothing but try and try to have a wonderful family life.
But I refuse to have empathy for anyone that chooses suicide. Why, cause we ALL consider it at some point or another. Generally speaking, we all have the ability to have dark thoughts, and it takes will-power sometimes to turn off those dark-thoughts. We must never ever encourage empathising with people who do what we know should never be done.
My estranged spouse had a dark thought, and it could have just stayed a dark thought, but he had heard of others getting away with it, or simply believed he could get away with it. Assisted suicide or euthanasia, is a crime is it not? Empathising, or trying to bring understanding to suicide, or rationalising it, or justifying it, or glorifying it, or paying tribute to it, could be seen as a form of assistance, and this is ILLEGAL? and hence why the media tread carefully…..
Skeptic needs to be honest: If more men started burning themselves on the steps of Family court he would be over the moon, cause then something would be done about Family court, or he hopes it would. One lonely death, and no, nothing will be done. But if the 18 that committed suicide during Family court proceedings reported by Boshier, actually did it on the steps by dramatically burning themselves, then yes, Family court would be changed? And Skeptic thinks this? One lonely death in Australia and one copy cat death on the steps in NZ will make no difference, and thank God for that.
18 men burning themselves simultaneously would work? but any person inciting or organising this would be DEMONISED, like Charles Mansen or some cult leader, even if they burnt themselves – they would just write it up as vulnerable men lead by a human-demon, so suicide is just never going to do the trick. It will have the opposite effect, and the same devastating effects on the children.
Family court is flawed alright, but the real answer lies in changing the “no fault” dissolution of marriages legislation, and making it illegal to have children out of wed-lock. In other words, no sex before marriage.
And if you do the crime (sex), you do the time in “wed-lock” – Why do you think it is called wed-lock.
Don’t get me wrong, I would shudder to think of ending up with someone permanently that I hadn’t test-drived and turned out to be horriffic, or a major slimy non-eventful ride, but Family court – Actually I don’t know what’s worse – but before the 60s it seemed to work just fine for them back then…. If you only ever drive a honda civic, then how do you know what a porshe is like anyway? And the kids will be happy if you are happy and don’t know any better.
And that is why it did work back then, BEFORE THE SEXUAL REVOLUTION.
Before the sexual revolution, people bought one car and they didn’t test drive it. They just had a good look, felt the interior maybe a little bit but then they just bought it, knowing it would be the only ride they would have EVER.
But later, everyone became sex obsessed and test-driving everything, and that’s when it all went wrong for the poor poor kids.
Make sex before marriage illegal. Do the crime, do the time in wed-lock for ever. Do any other crimes like assault or adultery do the time in jail.
A lot of what is posted on these sites is hurt men venting. It probably does them a world of good to get it off their chest and to see responses from other guys in the same position – to know they belong to some kind of community, as Skeptic put it earlier. However, there’s not a lot of interest value to an outsider such as yourself.
The really interesting posts from my point of view are those made by a handful of commenters who are highly observant, who reason well and who have the gift of writing their thoughts clearly. Their insights collectively form a body of knowledge that is truly unique, and will probably be cited for years to come. Reading them I believe I experience the same sensation that the first readers of Galileo, Darwin or Dickens would have felt: the witnessing of a new frontier of knowledge or understanding opening up. Irlandes is certainly one of these pioneers to look for. Other names to read are Zenpriest (aka TGC or The Grand Curmudgeon), Curiepoint, Lorax, Paul Parmenter, and as Skeptic has already made reference to, Paul Elam.
Celibate,
Oh my goodness,
What a dumb lie to say:
Whoah! Delusional stuff!
One more thing in relation to the wetherornot effect –
I know Brisbane well. It’s a small city. Despite the scant reportage of this poor man’s suicide by mainstream media EVERYONE who is compos mentos there will know about it. In fact forget just Brisbane EVERYONE who’s compos mentos in all of Queensland will know about it.
It’s been 7 weeks since his action.
Rather than inspiring others to suicide by self immolation outside a courthouse as per the wetherornether effect,
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RC,
Venting is a good tool but you’re right in that it didn’t interest me.
A friend told me I was 40 years too late for a gender war and too naive to get involved. I think I’ve caught up well through sites that give information on what’s happened and what’s going on today and I’ve put effort into researching things online and offline. I’ve also been fortunate that men have talked to me about all this. Some have shared their stories with me and others about their work and others about sensible roads to take and sensible judgement and others about politics, laws etc – past and present. Some even shared their own journey with me – that’s been nice.
It’s been a (massive crash course) journey alright and I feel soooo lucky for the opportunity.
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I didn’t quote the rest to save space but thanks for sharing. I can understand you being this way and seeing the men you mentioned as pioneers.
I think it’s terrific what men online are doing.
Celibate 3 years,
I must pull you up on this, ……. no I don’t.
It’s funny how some people come on this site and tell others who know so much more … ‘how it is’. I’ve got a feeling I’ve done it and it’s embarrassing to watch.
Celibate 3 years,
you say -
I don’t know you enough and so can’t tell especially after your transparent whopping lie about me wishing for more self immolation outside courthouses to decide if all this pain you describe yourself as having is truth or a fictive description designed to manipulate sympathy for you.
I do know there are literally thousands of places women can turn to for help when they are in emotional distress.
If you truly do feel as anguished as you make out, then I’m confident help will be out there for you.
The only advice I’d offer is DON’T seek help from a feminist. I’m afraid if you do you’ll only end up in even worse shape.
Good luck.
I think it’s Mary Poppins – back to spam the site.
Thanks Julie,
I hadn’t thought of that.
If that so then…….
quick someone hit the filter switch!
sad that these feminazis feel so threatened that they have to come on here and spam and abuse us! Means we’re getting to ‘em though! hehehehehe
http://nz.news.yahoo.com/a/-/top-stories/7644609/taxi-driver-assault-sparks-copycat-fears/ not exactly related but it talks about copy cats in a taxi driver assault!
Seems they aren’t too scared to put this story in, nor to point out that people may copy it. Double standard.
Oh yeah… and how could we have forgotten about suicide bombers? We always hear about these people and how they have not only killed themselves but possibly hundreds with them! Isn’t that worse?
So I say, this myth is busted… also they don’t need to be front page stories either!
The great thing about being the only species that makes a distinction between right and wrong is that we can make up the rules for ourselves as we go along. D.A.
What gets us into trouble is not what we don’t know. It’s what we know for sure that just ain’t so. M.T.
Human beings, who are almost unique in having the ability to learn from the experience of others, are also remarkable for their apparent disinclination to do so.
A tremendous feeling of peace came over him. He knew that at last, for once and forever, it was now all, finally, over.
Things like you describe happen to men and women. Marriage break up is a big tragedy. But only one sex faces severe discrimination by the goverment on top of the personal tragedy. As a woman you cannot begin to realise our situation.
SUICIDE PREVENTION NEWS FROM AUSTRALIA.
It seems that the Brisbane man who self immolated may have given the Oz populace a kick up the pants and focused the government too.
The Australian government may have been quietly jogged by his very public suicide into action on the issue of male suicide there.
Thanks are owed to the organization Suicide Prevention Australia especially Dr Michael Dudley and Ryan McGlaughlin who I understand lobbied hard for extra funding and pushed especially for extra funding for
See here
then scroll down to this sub-headline : Media Release: Suicide Prevention on the Government’s Agenda
You’ll need a PDF reader to view.
This is no small victory as for the first time suicide prevention becomes a priority health initiative.
They’re starting to recognize that with deaths by suicide being even more prevalent than death by motor vehicles (and even some of those may well be suicides too) it’s time to step up on suicide prevention.
Interesting isn’t it.
Men are 80% of the suicides in Australia.
Men are 90% of the non-custodial parents in Australia. (Assuming their figures are the same as ours.)
Men are 40% likely to effectively loose their children forever if they don’t get custody.
Do you think their might be a connection?
Watch this video if you have ANY doubts as to the connection between men having their children stolen and suicide. And ladies, this is aimed at YOU!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WqtdwMjgGF8
DRIVING A MAN TO SUICIDE BY LYING, CHEATING AND MANIPULATING THE COURTS TO STEAL HIS CHILDREN, CAUSE HIM TO GO BANKRUPT AND DRIVE HIM TO SUICIDE IS AS GOOD AS MURDERING HIM!!!
This women is a nutter. Please ban her
Do ya think?
She’s persistent to force herself on others alright. I feel real sorry for her children.
RC’s post above (Sun 25th July 2010 at 11:07 pm) talks about the pioneers in the MRM, people like ZED (Zenpriest…) and ZED was talking about the early days and an awesome post by Paul Elam and there was quite a few subjects in there that were relevant.
Even Welmer is in there.
I let the masters speak:
http://www.the-spearhead.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=63
for ZED’s post and just down on his first page is a link to Paul’s Post.
[...] purposes and not the actual father from Brisbane) JUSTICE4CHILDREN: Step backwards for Australia? Man sets himself alight in Brisbane at MENZ Issues to this enough [...]
Months have gone by.
Still absolutely nothing in the Australian media about this man who died outside a Brisbane courthouse after losing out in a ‘family matter’.
tick….tick….tick…..
Plenty of comment starting to come from children in Sweden though.
These High school students made the final of a local Amnesty International short film competition there. However due to feminist complaints Amnesty didn’t show the film. So it’s up to us to spread it virally.
Please do so and don’t give donations to Amnesty International – they’ve long ago been ideologically captured by radical feminists.
Ozzie press can hang their heads in shame at STILL not publishing anything of substance about this poor man since their very scant and dismissive initial coverage of his suicide by self immolation.
StuffNZ news web portal can for once hold their head high however.
Although the events are tragic the folks at that web news site have actually humanized the men who are trapped underground at Pike River coal mine.
They have not only named all 47 of them, but in a change from how they’ve reported a miriad of other articles related to men they have actually called them MEN, rather than simply miners.
That may seem like a petty thing, but in my opinion it’s a huge step forward as it makes male tragedy much more visible than saying for instance ’7 sailors lost at sea/power workers caught in an industrial explosion’ which gives no clue as to the sex of the sailors/ power workers.
My thoughts and prayers go out to all involved in the tragedy at Pike River min.
[sarcasm]I think the media usually prefer to disenfranchise males by referring to them by their job titles in case feminists begin demanding equal employment death and injury.[/sarcasm]
Still absolutely nothing further offered by the mainstream press on both sides of the Tasman Sea about this guys horrendous suicide.
No interest whatsoever in his background or even his circumstances just prior to him setting himself on fire outside Brisbane family court.
As best i can make out he was last reported in the newspapers in Oz and NZ around June 10th.
Reported as being mentally ill and by an unnamed police ‘source’ as having committed suicide over nothing related to the family court (Yeah right – Tui moment).
I’m sure a lot of men have left the family courts of the Anglosphere so distressed as to experience mentally illness to some degree or other (the internet is littered with their heart rending stories of subsequent depression).
The question the mainstream media DIDN’T seek to answer is how did he become mentally ill in the first place?
Could it possibly have anything to do with the court he self immolated outside despite what ‘an unnamed police source’ said to a journo?
The lace curtain media may think they’ve swept his ashes under the carpet.
There are those of us who keep him in our memories however.
It’s now been almost a year to the day since this poor guy took his own life outside the Brisbane family court house by pouring an inflammable liquid all over himself and setting himself on fire.
I was always going to write this s name.commemorative posting even though I don’t even know the guy’s name – the Australian main stream media don’t give a shit about this guy, so haven’t had the dignity and compassion to follow up and let us, the viewing public know even that much.
If pressed I imagine many will offer some convenient bullshit excuse that to do so would be ‘insensitive’.
spot the parralels here.
Although thankfully The Daily Holden newspaper had enough compassion for a much fuller reportage AND interest in what would trigger another man self immolating outside a courthouse whilst dealing with divorce and custody issues inside.
The International Business Times has defied the usual media treatment and given Tom Ball the coverage of a political martyr.
http://m.ibtimes.com/thomas-ball-self-immolate-child-support-164827.html
In the past, the self-immolators have appeared early in the evolution of protest – they foreshadow the warriors that inevitably follow by demonstrating the profound depth of feeling. It is quite eerie, watching from the sidelines as this extreme injustice plays out in such a predictable manner, and observing those in its path so unconcerned. It reminds me of watching that ugly great wave approaching the coast of Japan only a few months back, knowing what it would do once it struck, but knowing also that no matter how hard you yelled, nothing would stop it from following its course.
Thanks Skeptic for reminding us about the unknown Brisbane sacrificial man. There is little doubt he made a statement related to a man’s experience of the Family Court. If he simply wanted to escape the hell of a man’s life under feminist law then he could have committed suicide privately or in a way that could be mistaken for an accident (this is probably more common than one might imagine). But instead, he burnt himself to death right outside the Court as a public spectacle, highlighting the role of the Court in treating him as worthless and making his life intolerable. If a woman had done the same brave act of martyrdom just imagine the outcry and media attention, judicial hand-wringing, feminists’ audiences with their chief Family Court honcho and government ministers, and a raft of new feminist legislation to make things better for women!
The apathy shown towards this man actually vindicates his gesture, proves him right. He has invited his feminism-soaked society to demonstrate its contempt for men and his society has obliged. He is a mirror for his people and one day they may turn their heads and see themselves. Keeping his memory alive is a good idea. He is a symbol of our era and our respect and writing bring him closer to a role as leader and saviour.
Thomas Ball is another martyr, with more presence of mind leading him to make his protest clear by first writing to the media.
Thanks for that link rc. The Thomas Ball story is a good example of the extent to which ‘non-violence’ has become a dangerous, absolutist, irrational religion. The violence the State does to children and their families is often many times worse than the ‘violence’ the State believes it is protecting the child from. It may not be a whole stolen generation but it’s a significant proportion of our generation. Just like previous administrations who thought removing children from their aboriginal parents would be better for those children, our government thinks that it’s good for children to wrench them from loving parents who break feminist ideological dictates.
You’re welcome Hans. There’s an interesting commentary at Lew Rockwell concerning this incident:
http://lewrockwell.com/grigg/grigg-w219.html
It’s not until one reads how extreme the war on men is in the U.S. that one gets a glimpse of what awaits us if we aren’t careful. Germany in the 1930s probably felt no less normal to most of its citizens at the time.
Thanks rc,
Wpw! I went to the link you provided and read Lew Rockwell’s commentary after reading the last statement from suicidee Thomas Ball.
Absolutely chilling.
I knew things were worse for fathers in USA than they are in NZ (we’re simply talking degrees of feminist terrorism here). But I had no idea things were THAT bad for men in USA. It gives me serious pause for thought that we must do what we can to ensure we NZers don’t slide further towards a USA type situation.
Now I’m going to take a break as reading this stuff has been a harrowing experience.
It’s official. The US is now a police state. Check out the most recent US Supreme Court decision concerning a man from South Carolina jailed for child support. No wonder this fellow in the article chose self immolation. Just when you thought it couldn’t get any worse.
Here’s a link to a great analysis of the US Supreme Court decision about a man in South Carolina jailed for child support.
http://www.fathersandfamilies.org/?p=17083#more-17083
More and more men are choosing suicide because it is the last and only choice they have that is theirs.
A man committed self immolation and died this past week in front of a court house in New Hampshire this past week because he had been alienated for so long from his children by a malicious mother.
My previous report about the recent US Supreme Court decision about jailing men and child support was followed immediately in several media outlets with a report about more and more people in the US joining militias and buying guns, even people who have never owned or thought of owning them. And the number of militias is growing – one-thousand-and-one-hundred (eleven hundred) are now recognized.
It is widely acknowledged that our President is withdrawing troops from Afghanistan and bringing them back to the US in support of an imminent declaration of marial law here.
It’s going to be a long hot summer.
Remember: Thomas Ball’s immolation, he gave his life for your children.