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Mon 11th June 2012

How feminism changed fatherhood

Filed under: Gender Politics — JohnPotter @ 6:12 pm

There’s an article on Stuff at the moment:
How feminism changed fatherhood which MENZ readers might find interesting.

Ms Chloe Angyal writes:

Feminism is one of the best things that ever happened to fatherhood. Thanks to feminism, men of my generation have richer, more meaningful relationships with their dads than their fathers had with theirs.

Not surprisingly, it has attracted a certain amount of debate.

My favorite comment so far is by Paul:

Always interesting to get a female perspective on how men think. A bit like reading a blokes account on the emotional effects of child birth.

28 Responses to “How feminism changed fatherhood”

  1. Gwaihir says:

    Paul, I think you sum up the matter with your normal aplomb! More forcefully has any female to assume any males thoughts and feelings. (It is of course equally true in reverse)

  2. Skeptic says:

    WTF are the staff at STUFF NZ smoking these days!!!

  3. Ivan Zverkov says:

    More meaningful title would be:

    “How our feminist dictatorship changed fatherhood”
    Because, correctly thinking, it’s not our feminism that eliminated best fathers from the lives of their kids, but guns and jails of our feminist state and an army of male collaborators.

    Today, even the most worthless mother can eliminate the best father. And those dads that stay in intact marriages are ruled by whims and vindictivness of angry moms.

    Example:
    – May I take our kids to see this construction site more closely?
    – No.
    She does not have to give any explanations for her opinions. Women threaten always to punish and break the family, because family and kids have no value per se for women. Family is an instrument of exploitation and abuse of men by women. And men are willing to accept own mistreatment because family has value per se for men.

  4. Gwaihir says:

    Simple Skeptic, the editor is a female. A quick scan of Monday’s paper fails to reveal her name. Is she hiding?

  5. John Dutchie says:

    Reply to all

    Tania, have a read of this feminist verbal diarrhea crap…Read on what a lot of Men replies were to this feminist crap..

    Now you might understand why I chose abode in an Asian country and thank goodness I don’t have to listen to this Kiwi women crap

    Kiwi women feminist brainwashing at its finest…And then you as a Kiwi women Tania and with the rest of Kiwi women friends, wonder why there is a so called ‘Man drought’

  6. John Dutchie says:

    Reply to all

    Here is a perfect opportunity for everyone on Menz to post on ‘Stuff’ on what they truly think of feminism …I have just done it

    Kind regards..John Dutchie…Free at long last

  7. Ford says:

    everything i read written by women has a disregard for mens opinions

  8. Gwaihir says:

    And a lot of what we write has a disregard for women. In a dispute the first thing that fails is communication. Half of communication is listening. Listen! Then repeat back what you think you heard the other person say. One female despises me because I exposed her for not listening. If you are writing have a Thesaurus handy. It’s surprising the tones your words can place in your language.

  9. John Dutchie says:

    Reply to ford #7

    The women have gone very quiet now Ford for I have asked them to explain these hateful feminist quotes and how that defines there definition of ‘Equality’

    Kind regards..John Dutchie”¦Free at long last

  10. Ford says:

    #8,,get fucked wanker..understand that cock?

  11. MurrayBacon says:

    I always wondered what drove this change?

    Feminists might be able to take some of the credit, but it was also a relaxation back to parenting/fathering from the times before the industrial revolution had put pressure to separate out men from their families. As industrialisation became more efficient, men were freer to spend more of their time with their families, as they traditionally had. From a wider historical perspective, the early industrial revolution was just a short blip in time.

    I would also like everyone to know that I supported the suffragettes, in the early 20th century, though I don’t seem to get much credit….
    MurrayBacon.

  12. Doug says:

    If you go to this site http://www.intmensorg.info/ and scroll down to ‘Feminism and the Disposable Male’ it is worth the couple of miniutes to hear her view on why men are no longer valued in femninist, Western society. Her views on legalised sexual and physical abuse of male infants are good too.

  13. John Dutchie says:

    Reply to all

    Have a read of this…you to Tania and Wendy

    All Men Should Be Castrated? – International “Castration Day”

    Some Feminists have considered this as an option. It is highly controversial.

    Allow me to introduce myself…

    My name is Krista, otherwise known as “The Femitheist”. I am a female, a feminist, and someone who believes strongly in True Equality.

    Now, I will begin explaining this entry before I post the actual article… for your discussion, of course.

    Women MUST and WILL have equality, and this is the ONLY way to achieve TRUE equality. The testicles of all males, which produce the majority of their testosterone, are the primary cause of their violent behavior. The testicles also attribute greatly to many of the health problems men experience later in life (such as prostate cancer and, of course, testicular cancer).

    ~:The Solution… International Castration Day.:~

    It is my belief (which I consider factual based on my research) that all men SHOULD be castrated. Not only for their own safety, but for the safety of all innocent women and children.

    And, to achieve this…

    The entire world should have an international holiday known as: “Castration Day”

    Males of all ages will be brought to the public squares of their cities nude, to stand together in a circle, as they await castration by a woman known as “The Castrator”, who will be a woman chosen from the public much like a juror.

    Girls of all ages will attend, lining the streets to cheer and applaud the males as they join the rest of civilized society.

    It will be a free vacation for any working woman. And, young girls will be able to leave school to attend this glorious ceremony.

    The males will then have one hour to get to know their Castrator. Their female “spouse” will also be able to choose whether or not they would like to milk the male in order to retain a sperm sample.

    If the male is too young for a “spouse”, their mother or closest female relative will decide.

    After this, the men will be given anesthetics. They will be placed on a table, where their Castrator will then slice open their ball-sack, remove their testicles, and the excess skin, stitch them up and clean them up.

    They will be given thirty minutes to rest after the procedure.

    Once the males have all been castrated, they will be grouped together again for one last look before walking nude back to their homes.

    The women will then return to their jobs, schools, et cetera, and rejoice in the completion of yet another successful ceremony.

    Any man who tries to evade this holiday, “Castration Day”, should be murdered wherever they
    are found (treated as a criminal, as it will be a crime not to attend). Or, forced to attend.
    Regardless of age.

    Any woman who disagrees should be provided therapy in order to free her from misogynistic indoctrination.

    This holiday should replace the day known currently as “Father’s Day”.

    If this practice were adopted officially all across the world, all war, crime, and violence would end.

    We would have a true Eutopia, where peace reigns, and men do only what they exist for…

    Breed.

    Labor.

    SERVE.

    Die.

    Likewise, the change of their hormones would make them less aggressive, and thus less likely to rape. It would also provide them with better health throughout their life, as the testicles are a major cause of health issues in males as they age.

    All will profit from this…

    And, I believe this will come to be someday soon.

    Thanks for your consideration!
    All Men Should Be Castrated? – International “Castration Day”

    Some Feminists have considered this as an option. It is highly controversial.

    Allow me to introduce myself…

    My name is Krista, otherwise known as “The Femitheist”. I am a female, a feminist, and someone who believes strongly in True Equality.

    Now, I will begin explaining this entry before I post the actual article… for your discussion, of course.

    Women MUST and WILL have equality, and this is the ONLY way to achieve TRUE equality. The testicles of all males, which produce the majority of their testosterone, are the primary cause of their violent behavior. The testicles also attribute greatly to many of the health problems men experience later in life (such as prostate cancer and, of course, testicular cancer).

    ~:The Solution… International Castration Day.:~

    It is my belief (which I consider factual based on my research) that all men SHOULD be castrated. Not only for their own safety, but for the safety of all innocent women and children.

    And, to achieve this…

    The entire world should have an international holiday known as: “Castration Day”

    Males of all ages will be brought to the public squares of their cities nude, to stand together in a circle, as they await castration by a woman known as “The Castrator”, who will be a woman chosen from the public much like a juror.

    Girls of all ages will attend, lining the streets to cheer and applaud the males as they join the rest of civilized society.

    It will be a free vacation for any working woman. And, young girls will be able to leave school to attend this glorious ceremony.

    The males will then have one hour to get to know their Castrator. Their female “spouse” will also be able to choose whether or not they would like to milk the male in order to retain a sperm sample.

    If the male is too young for a “spouse”, their mother or closest female relative will decide.

    After this, the men will be given anesthetics. They will be placed on a table, where their Castrator will then slice open their ball-sack, remove their testicles, and the excess skin, stitch them up and clean them up.

    They will be given thirty minutes to rest after the procedure.

    Once the males have all been castrated, they will be grouped together again for one last look before walking nude back to their homes.

    The women will then return to their jobs, schools, et cetera, and rejoice in the completion of yet another successful ceremony.

    Any man who tries to evade this holiday, “Castration Day”, should be murdered wherever they
    are found (treated as a criminal, as it will be a crime not to attend). Or, forced to attend.
    Regardless of age.

    Any woman who disagrees should be provided therapy in order to free her from misogynistic indoctrination.

    This holiday should replace the day known currently as “Father’s Day”.

    If this practice were adopted officially all across the world, all war, crime, and violence would end.

    We would have a true Eutopia, where peace reigns, and men do only what they exist for…

    Breed.

    Labor.

    SERVE.

    Die.

    Likewise, the change of their hormones would make them less aggressive, and thus less likely to rape. It would also provide them with better health throughout their life, as the testicles are a major cause of health issues in males as they age.

    All will profit from this…

    And, I believe this will come to be someday soon.

    Thanks for your consideration!

  14. Ford says:

    where did you find that john?..and whoever was the original phsycho author needs to be shot

  15. Triassicman says:

    To critique the article one must understand the etymology of the word feminism. The most straightforward definition of feminism representing it in the 19th century says that it is a movement for social, cultural, political and economic equality of men and women. I can’t say I have a problem with that, but that is not what the word implies any more. The word now is Synonymous with misandry and injustice. As a teenager I never had a problem with Karl Marx description of the evils of Capitalism and the fight for justice through the ideology of Communism as expressed in Das Capital. However all that changed when I read the book Gulag Archipelago by Aleksander Solzhenitsyn
    The problem lies in how the ideology works in practice. All ideology imposed on a society, implemented through anger and intolerance of opposing points of view, is bound to create chaos and injustice. The article in question has elements of truth in it but to accept the premise we must also accept that Christianity brought great advantages to the indigenous peoples of Australia, Africa and South America.
    The brand of feminism that emulates in our society today is an anathema to men and women who value justice and equity of the sexes. It holds the simplistic ideology that women are good men are evil. Therefore there needs to be a clearer definition and a reclassification of the word to express that. It needs to be defined as ‘Gender Feminism’.

  16. Down Under says:

    A book I found interesting was The Story of a New Zealand River by Jane Mander. Mander was a child in New Zealand in the late 19th Century and uses her upbringing in the developing frontier as a basis for the story. She was of the few authors who wrote about colonial New Zealand at that time and incorporated her feminist views in the book. It was published in America 1920 and immediately put on the restricted list in New Zealand libraries; viewing by request to and permission of the librarian.

  17. John Dutchie says:

    Reply to Ford#14

    Actually Ford it was my Asian Lady partner who found this article ,not me…And she was deadly serious on what she said to me

    1/ She as high connections with in the political system here,and she is going see them and show them this ‘charming’ Feminist article just to prove to them how corrupt Feminism is

    2/ As she said ‘If Western European women carry on like this, we as in ‘Asian women’ are going to be the real winners out of this’…She is right

    Your comment Ford ‘where did you find that john?..and whoever was the original phsycho author needs to be shot’….Tongue in cheek Ford…No…..The Western European feminist women will defend this feminist, as been… ‘Empowered’…..And they will scream ‘YOU GO GIRL’

    Kind regards..John Dutchie”¦Free at long last

    http://thefemitheist.blogspot.co.nz/2012/04/allow-me-to-introduce-myself.html

  18. Triassic says:

    #16 thanks for the info. found it’s avaiable for down load

  19. Bruce S says:

    John (#13); “…The women will then return to their jobs, schools, et cetera, and rejoice in the completion of yet another successful ceremony.”

    So from one cringe worthy ceremony to another; see the link below for the ultimate act of feminist narcissism. 🙂

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/lifestyle/news/article.cfm?c_id=6&objectid=10812736

  20. John Dutchie says:

    Reply to author of this thread John Potter

    This website as been mentioned and not done in a nice either by a Kiwi feminist on ‘Stuff’ on there article
    ‘How feminism changed fatherhood ‘

    Kind regards..John Dutchie”¦Free at long last

  21. Ford says:

    #21..could see the nasty side of that particular poster coming through

  22. John Dutchie says:

    Reply to Ford#22

    You are correct…

    Oh yes Ford…Them beloved Kiwi feminists truly hate it when Good and decent Men stand there ground and say ‘No’…we have had enough of your feminist crap,and then proceed to throw there ‘double standards’ crap back at them….

    Kind regards..John Dutchie”¦Free at long last

  23. Skeptic says:

    Oh yes, feminism is so great for fathering that this is happening –

    http://www.menznet.org/2012/06/do-you-1-in-3-britishchildren-are.html#more

  24. John Dutchie says:

    Reply to Skeptic#24

    Awesome …Many thanks Skeptic….

  25. Ford says:

    #24..was the british prime minister the idiot that forgot his kid and left her at the pub..what a fool

  26. John Dutchie says:

    Reply to Ford#26

    L.O.L…Ford my Asian lady partner read that article as well …

    Her quiet comment was this ….’I am really starting to wonder if Western European society as now a ‘bi polar’ disorder’…I just quietly smiled

    Kind regards..John Dutchie”¦Free at long last

  27. Ford says:

    #28..watch out for that ‘stuff’ site john..i got a message saying it was under virus attack

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