Turner: Police policy bias contributing to false arrests?
Recent ‘not guilty’ verdicts in high profile child homicide cases could be examples of an ideological bias in police policy, according to UnitedFuture deputy leader, Judy Turner.
Mrs Turner refers to the ‘New Zealand Family Violence Policy’, in which section 47 instructs that, “The specific offence ‘Male Assaults Female’ will be used in most circumstances”.
“While this policy may seem little more than ill-considered discrimination, it effectively orders police to pre-judge incidents of family violence before they even arrive at the scene and assume the male is at fault.
“It is my concern that this guideline fosters a mindset where police make assumptions before establishing a perpetrator, and leads to an attitude of, ‘if in doubt, arrest the bloke’.
“I think people are starting to question whether we are seeing this happening now. Is the police family violence policy leading to blinkered investigations and the wrong person being arrested by police?” asks Mrs Turner.
“This policy should be condemned and it be made clear that police should arrive at a given scene without preconceptions about the perpetrator, but rather look at the evidence and take action accordingly and on the merits of each case.
“Hopefully this will lead to fewer people being arrested and charged with crimes that no jury could possibly find them guilty of, while destroying the life of the falsely-accused, or resulting in the real perpetrator walking free,” says Mrs Turner.
this country over the last 10 years has been in the hands of the keystone cops..i have been arrested on 3 x MAF and 1 x criminal harrassment, (4 x arrests, different occassions) bought before the judge and not one conviction or penalty of any kind from these arrests and yet still you are registrered in police data base, photo, fingerprints etc when you were found not guilty, what is with that ?
Comment by bull en a china shop — Wed 28th May 2008 @ 1:24 pm
Jailed for 14 years – but he’s innocent
May 28, 2008 – 7:31AM
DNA tests have exonerated a Chicago man who has served nearly 14 years in prison for the sexual assault of a 15-year-old girl who was attacked in the autumn of 1994 as she walked to school.
Dean Cage, 41, was convicted by a jury and sentenced to 40 years in prison despite his assertions that he was innocent and was home at the time of the attack.
Lawyer Peter Neufeld, co-founder of the New York-based Innocence Project, which investigates wrongful convictions, said that he was informed by the Cook County state’s attorney’s office that it had the case dismissed after DNA tests eliminated Cage as the victim’s attacker.
Cage, who has been confined to the Illinois River Correctional Centre in Downstate Canton, is expected to be released within 24 hours, Neufeld said.
Comment by bull en a china shop — Wed 28th May 2008 @ 2:28 pm
Yeah me too bull.
I have been arrested for MAF,assault,theft,breach of protection order(7 times),2 times threatening to kill (one time was my wife’s lawyer-this was a classic bullshit attempt),intentional damage and obstruction of a police officer.Also I have been hauled in for questioning about bigamy,misuse of a telephone and had several “final warnings” about contempt of court.All false charges with no possibility of being proven.13 arrests.3 defended hearings which were all thrown out by judges after I defended myself.No convictions.No penalties.Not even close to either.Never raised a sweat about any of these things.Just accepted it as part and parcel of falling in love,being asked to get married,then asked to make children and being ditched in modern New Zealand.
However all these things are on my record and are considered(along with my protection order) by the Police the next time some mad,twisted person complains
about me.They always say “you have quite a history don’t you”.I reply I have no history.Never done anything wrong.No convictions.A few parking tickets.Then they arrest you again based on what they perceive to be “your history”.
Comment by whanga — Wed 28th May 2008 @ 3:21 pm
Hi guys, just one thing to say, those assholes are the only criminals i know of but to the scum who is suppose to be running this country, the sun shines out of their asses
Comment by Hadi Akbari — Wed 28th May 2008 @ 5:12 pm
gotta laugh though whanga, you cheered me up, there is a lot of us that go through the courts and then come out without the convictions to match the arrest, its a wonder there are not statistics on this stuff, it is quite funny really. Getting arrested is pretty serious, but then a judge to not agree…. really makes you wonder…
Comment by bull en a china shop — Wed 28th May 2008 @ 6:33 pm
This is an important statement by a serving politician. It bears quite a lot of similarity to a media release I put out a few days ago, but never mind if there has been a bit of plagiarism. I strongly encourage men to write a note of appreciation to Judy Turner for highlighting this particular state abuse of men.
Comment by Hans Laven — Wed 28th May 2008 @ 7:42 pm
My mother was abusive to us children throughout our childhood and to my father who was a very passive man.We regularly were beaten with a jug cord in an uncontrollable fashion and yelled at etc. etc.I have seen her bash my father in the hallway where he fell down and still he would not lay a hand on my mother.
About 12 months ago my now 92yo father asked us for help as mother(86) was still bashing him and yelling abuse at him. We bugged the house to get proof and sure enough she was still at it. We went to the elderly abuse, doctors hospital authorities,police etc to ensure things were done correctly because of their age.
Guess what, we were told nothing could be done because of their age and because it was a woman doing the abusing.We place them both in separate elderly homes and still my mother frequently phoned my dad abusing him over her cell phone.The home was requested to stop all calls and did so.The old girl got a family member to take her to dads home and was caught by the nurses belting and yelling at dad. She was escourted out never to return.
Inspite of all this the authorities refused to act.
What would have happened if the abuse was the other way around?
Comment by High Hope — Wed 28th May 2008 @ 8:16 pm
Sent to Judy Turner
Turner: Police policy bias contributing to false arrests?
Good on you Judy – Many times I acussed you of being nieve in things political
I now render my sincere apologies
Onward – JimBWarrior
Comment by Jim Bailey — Thu 29th May 2008 @ 7:15 pm
The NZ justice system and police prosecution is tainted
by bias agendas and feminazi policy makers.
Watch out for dyke detectives like Ms S Illingworth.
Comment by dad4justice — Thu 29th May 2008 @ 9:48 pm
POLICE STATISTICS PLACE 8 1/2 MEN OUT OF TEN AS VIOLENT
Domestic/family violence
In New Zealand, domestic violence (also known as family violence) is a crime. Police take it very seriously.
It is against the law for anyone to physically, sexually or psychologically abuse another person.
Examples of domestic violence include punching or kicking a family member; damaging property as a way of hurting someone; trying to control someone’s life by constantly humiliating them; bullying, sexual mistreatment; controlling someone’s money, time, car or contact with friends as a way of having power over them.
The most common types of domestic violence reported to Police involves violence against women and children. About 85% of victims reporting to Police are women.
Police recognise the serious harm domestic violence does to children who see or hear domestic violence. Police will also do their best to keep children safe from harm.
If you or a family member is in immediate danger from domestic violence then telephone the police on 111.
If domestic violence is happening in your home, you should tell someone you trust about this. Call a friend, family member or one of the groups listed below. If you don’t know who to talk to, call the Police.
People suffering domestic violence can apply to get a protection order. You should seek advice from a lawyer or one of the support groups listed below.
Protection orders are issued in the Family Court and give legal protection against domestic violence for the person who applies for it and their children.
A protection order names the person who is committing the abuse and clearly explains what they can and cannot do. For example, a protection order may state that the person must not damage or threaten to damage property.
In normal circumstances, a temporary protection order can be granted on the same day or within a few days after you apply for it.
A protection order may also help protect your home and property.
If the person does not obey the protection order then police can arrest them. The person will go to the District Court and could be ordered to pay a fine (money) or may go to prison.
Find out more about protection orders and the Domestic Violence Act
In New Zealand, there are strict domestic violence laws. For more information about these laws, start by reading the Domestic Violence Act 1995, or refer to the Family Court website.
Other agencies that can help you include the
Women’s Refuge;
Child, Youth and Family (telephone 0508 326 459);
Stopping Violence Services;
your lawyer;
Victim Support (telephone 0800 842 846);
Rape Crisis;
Citizens Advice Bureaux (telephone 0800 367 222) a free service for anyone in New Zealand including visitors and international students
and many other government and community organisations.
Comment by bull en a china shop — Fri 30th May 2008 @ 12:45 pm
REALLY ….
People suffering domestic violence can apply to get a protection order. You should seek advice from a lawyer or one of the support groups listed below.
SOME ONE PLEASE CONTACT ANNETTE KING AND ASK HER WHERE THE SUPPORT GROUP FOR MEN IS ON POLICE WEB-SITE OR DO WE HAVE TO GO AROUND TO HER HOUSE AND PROTEST THIS POINT OF INEQUALITY ???
Comment by bull en a china shop — Fri 30th May 2008 @ 12:47 pm
you can not trust the police.
Comment by bull en a china shop — Fri 30th May 2008 @ 1:48 pm
right said fred, maybe….
Comment by bull en a china shop — Fri 30th May 2008 @ 5:48 pm
Hi guys, just before we leave, i just wanted to say my wife and i have lived together and been married 3 yrs now, we own our own home and bussiness, have a lot of friends who know that, my wife loves all her children very much and worries about the care they are receiving, 17yr old size of a 7yr old, 13 yr old living with someone who smokes drugs drinks alcohol and sleeps around on his girlfriend, and her 8yr old isnt even in the care of the bully cypfs gave custody to
Comment by Hadi Akbari — Fri 30th May 2008 @ 8:09 pm
Bull En… The title about 8 1/2 men – did you make that up or was it stated somewhere associated with the article you posted?
Comment by Hans Laven — Thu 5th June 2008 @ 10:50 am
Hadi Akbari – You are leaving? If so, another loss of an intelligent mind to the country. Thanks for your contributions and I hope you keep logging into MENZ and participating wherever you are. Comments on what it’s like in other countries are often very interesting. Go well.
Comment by Hans Laven — Thu 5th June 2008 @ 10:53 am
Hi Hans, we just went to see a couple who have had their children stolen, they have some really interesting information about this government which we are going to sort out for them as well as ourselves, we had a really nice time with our son on his first birthday, he was so happy
Comment by Hadi Akbari — Thu 5th June 2008 @ 11:22 am
read # 10 hans, it says 85% women are victims, government policy should be impartial on a police website so that it does not provide bias before attending a call out to domestic violence, it is no different than a court case where you are privy to a fair trial by the means of previous history of the accused being with held from jury. Helen Clark screams policy and yet she has policy that is devisive, not impartial and all leaning to the benefit of one gender. 85% women victims being claimed on the police website is not the issue, they could not even mention a percentage for children or men, THEY SAY ‘STOP DOMESTIC VIOLENCE’ next week, i believe we need a campaign to ‘STOP POLICE ABUSE’ – it is far from up to an acceptable standard in this day and age, the domestic violence section on police website is a disgrace.
Comment by bull en a china shop — Thu 5th June 2008 @ 1:26 pm
Hi Hans
You say comments on other countries are interesting.I live in Japan.There is practically no consideration given to fathers here.No Hague Convention.Grandmothers have far more chance of getting custody than a father.In short ,light years behind NZ.So consider yourselves lucky(ish)!!
Comment by whanga — Thu 5th June 2008 @ 6:38 pm
Hi Whanga, didnt know you were in Japan, grandmothers have more chance of getting custody than mothers and fathers in this country so we are far from lucky, i hope you are happy in Japan
Comment by Hadi Akbari — Thu 5th June 2008 @ 9:12 pm
I bet there is a lot of women that do abuse the justice system. I am a female, I’m searching to find out if there was anything i can do about my ex partney lying to the police about me punching him on the head. and i found this page in the process. i was arrested for domestic violence – common assult. And I bite him because he was on top of me because i couldn’t breath. I told him that I couldnt breath but he ignored me. so it was practically self defence. but he left false police statment saying i punched him. I really wish I did because then it would be true. I wish I never left a statement with the police but i was so upset i forgot i had the option to not give statement until i have discussed it with a lawyer first. So I got burned! But you know what. Men abuse the legal systems to get back at females too! And there’s nothing I can do but plea guilty … just so i didnt have to get a conviction. i had to say i did bite him and that i did punch him in the head. that’s just fucked. the legal system in new zealand is fucked.
Comment by Ellie — Thu 19th June 2008 @ 11:15 pm
Dear Ellie,
Most women and most men are not bad, however we are portrayed to be horrendous by whoever wants to justify statistics, requires leverage or is “akin” to others whim.
You have found help and resources to seek redress upon what you say is an injustice.
This help and assistance is available freely, You should not have to cop out with a guilty plea.
You have found yourself in the position predominately men find themselves in but same principles apply.
I do need to ascertain further info from you and therfore direct you to contact me at the Refuge.
Kindest Regards
Paul Catton
East Auckland Refuge for Men and Families
(09)940 6236
Comment by Paul Catton — Fri 20th June 2008 @ 2:20 am
yeah new zealand is fucked, mass foreign owner ship of our land by those asian swine – because of government policy, and people trafficking throughout all parts of new zealand in the legal sex trade, oh – don’t forget the terrorists we let into new zealand too, new zealand – not as we knew it…
Comment by bull en a china shop — Fri 20th June 2008 @ 9:59 am
I hope that was sarcastic bull.Classifying people by what they look like or where they come from is about as stupid as you can get.
New Zealand is part of Asia.I am Asian.You are Asian.Get used to it and move on.
Comment by whanga — Fri 20th June 2008 @ 11:05 am
Hi guys, there are good and bad in every culture, but i must say NZ is getting more and more like US by the second and we dont want that, gangs, prostitution etc originated from those dumb ass Americans
Comment by Hadi Akbari — Fri 20th June 2008 @ 11:36 am
i do not agree with non-new zealand citizens purchasing new zealand property, no sarcasm in that, it is common place in other countries, nothing to do with race, it is to do with nationality, it is just that new asian immigrants, (i must specify new immigrants) are the predominant purchaser’s of new zealand land – it shound not be legal, if you don’t like my wording, i’ll just refer to them as non-new zealanders then…
Comment by bull en a china shop — Fri 20th June 2008 @ 2:50 pm
The policy in other countries is reversed if you marry someone in that country to promote a better level of integration, i just think new zealand politicians do not have policy on new zealand immigration, the gates are open for all – no rules, other countries protect their culture, new zealand government has sold its own people down the river. You can not disagree with that.
Comment by bull en a china shop — Fri 20th June 2008 @ 3:03 pm
I was an immigration lawyer for quite a while and still do it a bit.I can tell you that it is not as easy to get into NZ as you think.My girlfiend is well off,totally honest,no criminal record,2 degrees,8 years living in Japan.Cannot get a visitor visa to travel with me to NZ to vist my sick father.I have tried everything I know.She is an overstayer risk I am told.What??
I have decided not to go out of solidarity to her.
Comment by whanga — Fri 20th June 2008 @ 10:09 pm
YEP BEEN THERE TOO !!!!
I had the police turn up 6 times in a week to remove and arrest me from the family home as 10 years ago my ex got a protection order on me by just going to a lawyer ,,and that thing gave me nothing but trouble as trying to get it removed was a night mare.
Any way the cops turned up 6 times in a week and instead of arresting me they wanted to arrest her,and told her to pack her bags and leave the house,,which she did but not before threating myself and my two sons with physical harm,,the cops knew that the ex was using a protection order as a weapon to use against me and 10 years latter,,, the family court seen her for what she was and awarded me full custody of my two sons.
But even that does’nt stop these mad ex’s tryin to scam up other ideas to get pay back and the government helps them do it ,,,Wins helps them and the ird is always there to help them destroy childrens and father’s lives.
Comment by mark — Tue 24th June 2008 @ 2:34 am
I have arrested by Hamilton police on 5 May 2007 for breaching of protection order.The protection order itself was not fair as I never abused anybody in my life, My son phoned me and asked me to see him; so I did and we went to watch movie in Westfield shopping centre in Chartwell, Hamilton. When we came out from movie police arrested me in front of my son’s eye.My son started to cry but police didn’t care at all.I was in police station one night and next day I went to court in Hamilton, got bail and released.When police gave me my stuff I told them there was $60 in my wallet and it has disappeared, the police officer in Hamilton district court laughed and he told me: I will give your money back next time when I see you!I am really sorry for people in New Zealand. People in Africa don’t have food but nobody separate them from the one they love but in New Zealand police arrest father because children love their father.This is just a business for court,lawyer,Judge,anger management course, police,probation officer,etc. They are hungry for money,never care about children.New Zealand is worst place on the earth for men and children and I suggest new immigrants to think again before moving to NZ.Jordan
Comment by Jordan — Sat 10th January 2009 @ 8:38 pm
i just want to know , can a man travel with a male assaults female conviction?
Comment by trace — Mon 25th May 2009 @ 5:29 pm
can a man travel with a man assaults woman conviction. i want to go to uk, and aussie and cannot find out anything about travelling to these places
Comment by trace — Mon 25th May 2009 @ 5:30 pm
Call their embassies.
Comment by Scott B — Mon 25th May 2009 @ 5:41 pm
Dear Trace,
Does the “man” require to obtain, prior to his arrival, a visiting visa to either the U.K. or Australia?
Kind Regards
Paul Catton
East Auckland Refuge for Men and Families
(09)271 3020
Comment by Paul Catton — Mon 25th May 2009 @ 8:32 pm
And there it is folks…..
another living breathing victim of the NZ ‘justice’ and ‘family court’ system.
I’m sorry to hear of your ordeal Jordan.
It’s agonising to be seperated from your children I know.
I’m embarrassed about the way NZ is so anti-male at present.
Please spread the word far and wide to shame NZers into changing things for the better.
Comment by Skeptik — Mon 25th May 2009 @ 9:18 pm
its more me getting in, with my grandparent visa and him and our two children coming in- for four years- just wondering if they stop people with these type of convictions, and also do they stop you getting into aussie as well-
Comment by trace — Mon 25th May 2009 @ 9:52 pm
Mai Gawd! why would you want to bring your family here? If any of your children are boys they’ll receive an inferior education, health care and life expectancy. That is if Child Youth & Man Haters don’t get your kids first. Your partner will be treated like crap from the feminazis who will shit on him and then blame him for the mess. Save your family, stay away from NZ. Warn all your friends.
Comment by SicKofNZ — Mon 25th May 2009 @ 10:04 pm