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   Warren Farrell has been here; he’d be able to tell them how bad it can get by quoting what he knows about New Zealand.

   Comment by Downunder — Thu 19th December 2013 @ 4:58 pm

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   It looks like a line-up of anti feminists, lol.

   Comment by Julie — Fri 20th December 2013 @ 12:23 pm

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   #2. You say that like it’s a bad thing …..

   Comment by golfa — Fri 20th December 2013 @ 12:46 pm

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   Wonderful good initiative…must get media cooverage here in NZ.

   Comment by kumar — Fri 20th December 2013 @ 1:06 pm

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   International Men’s Day: the seeds of a new movement

   Today is International Men’s Day. Yes, I know, you thought every day was International Men’s Day (IMD), but 19 November is set aside as an opportunity to highlight gender-specific issues of male health and wellbeing – the conversations that men, whatever their positions of power and influence, traditionally avoid.

   This shouldn’t be seen as an isolated event, other people are looking along the same lines.

   A couple of weeks ago I was a guest at the second National Conference for Men and Boys. It was mostly an event for frontline workers and activists from the statutory and charitable sectors, and as the only identified journalist in attendance, several delegates spoke to me of their difficulties in getting their causes and issues taken seriously by local or national press.

   Fogg

   Monday 19 November 2012 10.09 GMT

   650 comments

   Mocking International Men’s Day only proves it’s needed

   guardian.co.uk

   19 Nov 2011

   Comment by Downunder — Fri 20th December 2013 @ 1:58 pm

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   #3, it’s their buzz. I am not anti feminist. There are sooooo many different aspects of empowering women (feminism) that I learned it’s impossible to generalise. Plus, I don’t know enough about the 70’s and 80’s to fight people soon to retire.

   If you phone government social services up to complain about men not having this or that in NZ, you will get an earful on how men are not getting off their butts and building what they complain about. “Women spent decades working for nothing, lobbying, blah, blah, blah to get where they are today”, they will tell you.

   I have never and never will be anti a movement that helps people including a pro men’s rights movement.

   Comment by Julie — Fri 20th December 2013 @ 3:50 pm

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   The lineup of speakers appears to be the most powerful speakers available in the world.

   The issues are all chronic, the have arisen slowly and likely will be solved very slowly. This is unfortunate, but I guess reflects the divisions between men, in our society and the lack of wider awareness of issues impacting onto men’s lives. It also reflects the very poor quality of analysis of social policies, before they are passed into legislation, in NZ in particular and right around the world.

   This Conference reminds me of the NZ Men’s Issues Summit Conference in Henderson in 2005.

   Good discussion in 2005, but I haven’t able to detect any positive actions coming from it? The issues discussed are even more relevant and destructive today, than they were at that time. I hope that this new conference will result in greater willingness among men to work cooperatively.

   I would suggest to my fiend Abdullah, if she still wants to exist and has paid her practicing fees, that about 1000 men have suicided as a direct result of the poorly thought out incentives in NZ social policies, just since that Conference.

   There has been more progress with ECT and psychiatric drugs, than there has been progress in social policy and in familycaught$. The killing goes on……

   In other words, these are still live issues. MurrayBacon – axe murderer.

   Comment by MurrayBacon — Sat 21st December 2013 @ 11:58 am

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   I guess the fact that so little forward progress has been made in NZ, since 2005, emphasizes how important it is for men to seek to find ways to cooperate.

   Presently divide and rule, or even just ignore, seems to keep our strength very tiny.

   Against that backdrop, I like to think that there has been a bit more constructive discussion and a teency bit more cooperation on this website, through the last year.

   I suspect that real teamwork could only come from knowing each other personally and private discussions, where people can make fools of themselves, so that in the end we can advance our knowledge and strategies. I hope that it isn’t too difficult for us to find ways to respect each other, more strongly. This does take time and effort and never happens by accident.

   In essence, we are now needing to steel ourselves, to watch our children fall into the same holes. I hope that we can aim higher, than just that.

   Anyway, best wishes for Christmas and a safe New Year. MurrayBacon.

   Comment by MurrayBacon — Sun 22nd December 2013 @ 12:12 pm

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   Woe is me,lol, avfm impersonated me on Face Book and invited all my friends over to their duplicate site just for saying “I am not an anti-feminist” here on menz. I reported them and FB took down their page, so they’ll have to try something else. Maybe and anti-Julie facebook page. 🙂

   Anyhoo, impressive, ….these Psychologists et al have dedicated followers for they would have had to visit 400 odd users to invite them one by one. I wish they didn’t involve innocent families but that’s their reputation, that’s who they are and then they’ll do everything they condemn feminists for – my budget for Warren to speak in 2006/2007 was short $US30,000 per day plus airfares, accommodation and special demands….. I wouldn’t spend my volunteer time filling in funding forms so he got more money in 1.5 days than the women he puts down get in a year. (so much for money has no power)and I won’t promote these other professionals getting even $US10,000 a day.

   Anyways, I won’t change my values for bullies and I won’t put innocents in their firing line. They can brag they silenced me or put another notch in FTSU record.

   I am actually wrapped they did this. I have one good thing to say about them, “They seem never to let me down”.

   Now to enjoy camping with single fathers, mothers and their children. I hope tax payers don’t mind funding $15 a day for a great camp for kids and I am very grateful.

   Comment by Julie — Sat 28th December 2013 @ 10:58 am

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    Have a wonderful camp Julie, and dare I say it, welcome to the club. My faith in you as a good person is totally restored.

    Comment by Alastair — Mon 30th December 2013 @ 1:17 pm

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