A New Low in NZ Court Sexism
And now, a new low for our criminal justice system when Lucille Scollay yesterday was sentenced to 6 years imprisonment with no minimal parole period, meaning she can and probably will be out of prison in 2 years for stabbing to death her husband.
The partial defence of provocation was removed several years ago after demands by feminists that we ‘stop rewarding the loss of self control’ through that partial defence. Yet here, because it is a woman who commits the killling, we see the Court applying a de facto partial defence of provocation simply because she claimed to have lost self-control when she decided to walk into the house after a night out drinking with an extramarital affair, go to the kitchen, find a large knife, walk into her husband’s bedroom as he lay sleeping on his side, turn him over on to his back, get on the bed, straddle him and plunge the knife deep into his heart killing him. This killing would without any doubt whatsoever have been ruled as murder if any man had done it. But pro-female sympathy caused the jury to distort their perceptions sufficiently to reduce the crime to manslaughter.
In yesterday’s appalling display of sentencing chivalry the judge referred to this vicious killer in highly sympathetic terms. Her crime was “borne out of despair”, she was “conflicted” between her unhappiness and her love of her husband, she was in this “predicament” that “led to this crisis”, it was a “time of personal crisis”, the killing was done in “a moment of madness”, and the poor dear now “had to live with what she had done, and the impact it had on her family”. Yeah right, a load of self-justification that no judge would ever dare to utter about a male who killed or harmed a woman.
How many murders by men were not committed in ‘a moment of madness’? The law, officially, does not allow ‘mad moments’ to mitigate culpability. Reduced responsibility due to madness can only be judged when psychiatric assessments concur in diagnosing a serious mental illness causing thought disorder at the time of the crime sufficient to prevent the offender from understanding the nature and consequences of actions. No such psychiatric assessments arose for Lucille Scollay. We were not told about the results of pre-sentence psychiatric assessment requested by the defence lawyer so we can assume that did not support any notion that mental illness caused incapacity. Never mind, let’s just resort to recognizing ‘a moment of madness’ as having been sufficient to reduce her legal culpability.
The victim-blaming here was also remarkable. Usually, a male victim of female violence is blamed for the woman’s behaviour when she alleges he had subjected her to violence previously. In this case the worthless male had caused her dissatisfaction with life because he suffered from depression. What a bastard, he deserved everything he got! Imagine however how the story would have been portrayed if a man did the same thing to his depressed wife!
And to top it all off, after sentencing the defence lawyer Mr Glover was quoted as saying “the defence will now contemplate their position over the length of the sentence” Far too harsh apparently! No such comment from the prosecution of course; only men are targeted for appeal by the Crown against inadequate sentences.
rules should apply to both sex’s…
Comment by Donna Tua-Bird — Fri 14th March 2014 @ 11:34 am
Seriously, WTF. and that’s as nice as I can be.
Proof once again that there are 2 separate sentencing rules.
Comment by Dominic Dilligaf — Fri 14th March 2014 @ 11:38 am
The sentence was OK BUT the same rules must be applied to both sexes. As we know a male would have received a far longer sentence.
Comment by andrew — Fri 14th March 2014 @ 3:04 pm
she murdered her husband with a knife, no ifs not buts. 12 years to life there is nothing less that she deserved.
No guys life is worth just 6 years. oops I mean a third of that served probably 2 years, that will only seek to encourage people.
Comment by Dominic Dilligaf — Fri 14th March 2014 @ 3:51 pm
the Laws are written to apply to all but they do not apply to Judges and cops and women. Proof positive that we live in a femininazi Police State where men are merely slaves.
Get wise sheeple!
Comment by Sane in an insane world — Fri 14th March 2014 @ 8:51 pm
I have no doubt if proper research was done, the gender bias would be conclusively revealed. This would apply for both crimes like this, and custody and access etc.
One must ask why such research is NOT done.
I see a lot of beefing and complaining on this blog, and I am sure the vast majority of it is completely justified and accurate. Proper research would take it out of the realm of beefing and complaining, and into the realm of established fact.
The liberal, gay, feminist communities have used all their considerable political clout to achieve the gender bias we see today against men. Shining a light on it would pretty much spoil their game.
Dont expect any definitive research soon into gender bias, those that control the government funding will make sure of that.
Comment by Bruce Tichbon — Sat 15th March 2014 @ 12:39 pm
… and non government funding. So what happened to Owen Glen in the end?
Comment by Downunder — Sat 15th March 2014 @ 1:22 pm
The Owen Glenn inquiry appears to have been neutralised. Maybe the ‘system’ did not want an independent voice. Glenn’s approach of populating his inquiry with ‘experts’ from the ‘system’ seemed doomed to failure anyway.
Comment by Bruce Tichbon — Sat 15th March 2014 @ 2:18 pm
Bruce, see this recent discussion on the Ministry of Men’s Affairs Facebook page about relevant research findings.
Comment by Ministry of Men's Affairs — Sat 15th March 2014 @ 2:57 pm
Hi All,
Not directly related to this discussion. But I can’t see where to create a new post lol..
So I’ve recently been reassessed after cashing in my annual leave and doing a ton of overtime to pay some debt off. This system is so unfair.. I can’t understand why they are doing this to us. This child has been nothing but bitterness for me. And the bitterness just won’t go away. I have to do something about this.
Is there an action groups out there? I will do anything to make this system change.If someone out there has an action group that is willing to fight IRD and all it’s complicit employees please let me know. I refuse to be a part of the grand version of the Miligram experiment where the IRD managers are the electrocutioners and we the subjects being shocked.
I’m not talking about a bunch of banner wavers or fools trying to fight them from within their own system where they bleed us even more. I mean with the only tools we have; Ourselves. So get in touch or tell me where to go where I can get in touch.
What is going on is immoral. It must stop. I am ashamed to be a New Zealander knowing that this is what is being done to a whole generation of men. Has anyone thought of the consequences of this further down the track? All those thousands of men being treated like this. Without rights. Blindly having the fruits of their labour stolen from them week after week.
Comment by ENOUGH — Sun 16th March 2014 @ 5:08 pm
10. Enough – check this out – it identifies what is going on………..we are dealing with a much bigger concern……. many many people are waking up to this corruption of process………and conflict of interest protected in secrecy for a FEW……..
http://beforeitsnews.com/economics-and-politics/2014/03/screwed-without-a-kiss-100-proof-judges-attorneys-are-fuc_ing-us-for-fun-profit-2462776.html
Comment by hornet — Mon 17th March 2014 @ 8:16 am
Only the paranoids really know what is going on! Correlation isn’t causation, but it is enough to shoot.
Comment by MurrayBacon — Mon 17th March 2014 @ 9:00 am
Thanks for the post.
Reading it I’m both disgusted and scared seeing that a woman in NZ can murder a man with such relative impunity. As the author notes there’s no way a NZ man would get such a terribly light sentence.
I fear it’s sending a signal to NZ women that they can be violent towards men and expect a gross sentencing disparity in their favor. At the same time the message towards NZ men is that your life is of little value.
It’s another reason a growing number of western men are aware of and discussing for becoming men going their own way.
Comment by Skeptic — Mon 17th March 2014 @ 9:04 am
@ enough, I have started a small face book site,
https://www.facebook.com/NewZealandMenFedupwiththeFamilyCourt
Its not that P.C as I hate how things are bubble wrapped and controlled by the minorities, and there are plans in the future to do things like that around the court , the IRD child support and the system ect but only early days, what I have noticed is that everyday there is someone asking for advice in their current situation that just feel hopeless screwed over and completely lost with the entire NZ court government system ect, as If I know I can help if not I pass it on to more experienced people like Allan or others,, but I am only one person.
Comment by Dominic Dilligaf — Mon 17th March 2014 @ 9:47 am
ENOUGH writes:
You can’t create a new post until you are approved as an author. You must respond to the email sent to the address you registered with before that will happen.
Use the contact form if you can’t find it.
Comment by JohnPotter — Mon 17th March 2014 @ 10:07 am
14. Expand your numbers by making that FB page – for PARENTS – because everyone is sick of the corruption of process and the conflicts of interest at all levels which are destroying parents and children – for profit and revenue……..by lawyers at family court, and then more lawyers who run things at the top level – they are accountable to no one – hence why they are getting away with this all under the cloak of secrecy……..
Comment by hornet — Mon 17th March 2014 @ 1:54 pm
16 I agree.
Comment by Scott B — Mon 17th March 2014 @ 2:58 pm
Im sure we ALL AGREE on this concern – so where do we go, when the very system is Corrupted and Conflicted by those who are supposed to manage the laws of the land? When those who you go to to file complaints – about Due Process, multiple breaches of Human rights, Civil Rights, Privacy rights on so many levels its staggering – I ask, where do we go to get JUSTICE??? because thats where this is now, the system is refusing to give the people actual justice – Parents are being DELIBERATELY DEPRIVED of time with their own children – for PROFIT and REVENUE – there is NO other excuse for what is occurring …..and will continue to occur until it is made accountable………the questions is HOW……….
I had the unfortunate experience this weekend of attending a family gathering – and had the misfortune of being able to watch a person in a significant position of power in the family court get totally intoxicated on alcohol – drunker than a drunk thing – and Im watching this thinking – these people are in charge of our kids, our future, something has to change – because currently they are taking the piss – literally ………..
Take away the robes, the position of TOTAL Power and you get to see them for what they are……not very nice people………sad in fact, very sad human beings……….who hide behind a secretive facade………..and who need to be held to account………….
Comment by hornet — Mon 17th March 2014 @ 3:16 pm
@Hornet (# 18); I think you know already that there is no where to go.
What parents of child “disputes” are confronted with in New Zealand is a machine that fosters and promotes an on going tyranny to manipulate you to become one of their lifelong paying subscribers. As with any machine; it is merely a sum of its parts. The solution is to focus the good citizens (the yet uncorrupted ones) on one part of that machine and tear it down.
We already know that using the “system” to get positive change and reconciliation with lost children does not work. You will not get the result you want; you have passed so many “false winning posts” until it is too late to recognize, that, even then, you have lost. You’ve spent every last ounce of emotional energy; you’ve wasted money on lawyers; you’ve wasted serious amounts of time in zero outcome court room appearances; you’ve given the IRD most of the rest of your income, you’ve jumped through all the hoops and still you haven’t paid enough to get your kid(s) back.
I’ve played the games and paid the price. I gave up; but I can see others are far more determined than I. One man stands will not work; there’s already plenty of evidence of that throughout this site. The only way you will get results is through a coordinated effort to dismantle the machine, one part at a time. Select one agency; and through committed, sustained and unrelenting civil disobedience, gnaw away and erode the effectiveness of that part….then move on to the next part. Are there really people out there prepared to do that and pay the financial, emotional and judicial price to get proper justice? ….And the way I see see it; right now there just aren’t any other effective options.
Comment by Bruce S — Mon 17th March 2014 @ 6:32 pm
Bruce S – mate well said…..very well said…….. I think also we have a situation where even those in the system who know what is happening is wrong, they will not jeopardize their own jobs or reputations to make a stand against it…….thats why we such a deliberate drive to ensure FACTS and TRUTH never get a chance – refusing to take complains is a very good way to ensure there is never accountability for anything – no complaints – no problem……and this is what we have today, lawyers simply change the laws to make the abhorrent legal – not RIGHT in any way, just legal so they can continue………..that is their mentality – notice BROWN wanted to do this as soon as he was caught – oh cant I just change the rules to make it right……NO……….
lastly – what we have here is the ultimate form of bullying – and corruption – attacking individual parents – using every resource available – no parent can ever challenge this on their own – and they know that – so there are no constraints on the system to tow the line and do the RIGHT thing……..so you are right on the money Bruce ……….
Those who refuse to take complaints are COMPLICIT and parties to the offending – Perverting the course of justice – and I have seen in the US where people with the resources have taken people to court and WON …….found these people CORRUPTED and GUILTY – our problem down here, is not many parents have the money, resource or time to hold people to task…..which is why the concerns are flourishing down here…….
Comment by hornet — Mon 17th March 2014 @ 6:57 pm
yet …..
http://nz.news.yahoo.com/a/-/top-stories/22047849/life-sentence-a-message-that-violence-isnt-tolerated/
Comment by golfa — Wed 19th March 2014 @ 8:09 am
17 years for murdering a woman and 6 for murdering a man (er sorry manslautering) that means a woman’s life is worth 11 years more than a man’s.
Comment by Scott B — Wed 19th March 2014 @ 11:16 am
I’m seriously concerned about the sanity of Andrew #3 who thinks her sentence of 6 years (2 years in jail, 4 on probation) is “ok”.
WTF!? Lucifer, sorry Lucille Scolley murdered her husband in cold blood.
There is no proof that he had ever harmed her in any way.
There is so many options and shelters for women and children and None for men and children that gives men a mitigation if they kill their sleeping wives.
Men are always treated as perpetrators of violence by the authorities even if they get carried away in an ambulance with a knife in them…
I expect men to get lesser sentences than Scolley on those mitigating grounds.- Yeah Right!
Comment by Feminist = man hater — Fri 9th May 2014 @ 1:32 pm