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Today (Friday 24 November) at 4:30pm there will be a ‘Bothering’ protest at 223 Hurstmere Road, Takapuna, directed towards a Judge who has a record of alienating fathers from their children. An invitation is made to anyone who wishes to join this protest.
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Report is that the Bothering Protest went well with 10 guys and 1 woman, plus 4 police cars.
MoMA did not initiate this Protest but we have heard accounts from men who have experienced gender discrimination under this Judge, in which case we support people’s right to make their feelings known peacefully.
Comment by Ministry of Men's Affairs — Fri 24th November 2017 @ 9:49 pm
I maintain the long held position of Union of Fathers that any protests outside homes does nothing to improve relationships or serve the cause of men. In the UoF consititution there was to be a protest officer in every local committee but protests were restricted to places of business (offices), courts and public places. Uof has never suppoeted a protest outside any person’s home and the place that they can relax peacefully with their family.
When I first moved to Wellington in 2005 many lawyers, psychologists and court staff were fearful that I intended to lead protests that had been heard about in Auckland, Hamilton, Tauranga and Hawkes Bay. Occasionally when I appear outside the Wellington region the reputation of the protests led Fathers Coalition from 2002 to 2005 proceed me and some are bold enough to discuss those memories/phobias with me directly.
I sincerely hope that a few are not again going to make matters difficult for others working in the area of support of fathers and their children.
Comment by allan harvey — Sat 25th November 2017 @ 11:32 am
Beg to disagree with you Allan.
Fathers Coalition began it’s successful bothering campaign outside Family Court practitioner residences, from memory in 2004 / 2005. It was decided to take the campaign to a personal level as these practitioners needed a reminder that the case file numbers that they were shafting, were in fact real people who were being hurt 24/7/365, at home, in work, all the time, period.
Had it not been for the bothering campaign, the practitioners in my case would have continued with their attacks, ineptness & biases.
Whereas all worked out well when the wall came down.
Fact is the campaign worked and for a short period of time the practitioners seemed to act professionally rather than out of self interest or corruption.
Comment by Paul Catton — Sat 25th November 2017 @ 2:07 pm
Oh dear, we didn’t realize it was to be outside someone’s home.
Comment by Ministry of Men's Affairs — Sat 25th November 2017 @ 4:19 pm
I also believe that protests should be confined to business premises or courts.
The aim should be to embarrass and draw public attention to (and sympathy for) your carefully crafted message, not to intimidate an individual.
If I had realised this post was targeting a private residence I would have removed it.
Men who create the impression that fathers are angry, abusive, and unreasonable, damage the reputation of us all. Four police cars suggest your protest was certainly perceived by the authorities as a threat.
It’s much better to be creative and make people laugh, as Saint Jim demonstrated so many times.
Please don’t use MENZ to publicise events like this in future.
Comment by JohnPotter — Sat 25th November 2017 @ 4:50 pm
Message Received
Comment by Ministry of Men's Affairs — Sat 25th November 2017 @ 5:00 pm
This goes back a lot further than that when Warren Heap and the SFST organized protests outside Boshier and Doogues’ houses before any of you even woke up.
Comment by Bevan Berg — Sat 25th November 2017 @ 5:17 pm
I also wasn’t aware it was being directed at a private residence either. However in saying that, again like “Saint Jim” I would endorse such action if warranted. Every “target” that came to be protested on a personal level without the ability to hide behind edifice was just and needed.
Comment by Paul Catton — Sat 25th November 2017 @ 5:21 pm
@7 Welcome back into the open 🙂
Comment by Paul Catton — Sat 25th November 2017 @ 5:23 pm
#9 like you Paul, when you can be ‘bothered’
Comment by Bevan Berg — Sat 25th November 2017 @ 5:34 pm
Can I ask WHY NOT OUTSIDE THEIR HOUSES??? Why should those who destroy life’s get immunity and no accountability I think it’s the most radical on point protest. I think it is great to remove their security of hiding behind their job. These people are not special because they are judges, social workers etc. That’s the reason no big changes happen because no one pushes the boundaries enough we simply let them walk all over us and we’ll why would they bother sound anything when we accept it. No change ever happened from smiling and accepting the injustices. Corruption and injustices etc need exposing anyway possible if it involves making them lose their security blanket that they can’t hide from the truth. With the logic of no protesting outside their house that’s like telling a rape victim they should never report their rape because that’s personal. God forbid anyone should be held accountable for their crimes and that’s the problem to why the system is broken they have no accountability to keep law and rules in order. So it’s our job as citizens to remind them what we pay them for because they work for us!!! But these days they twist it around the government is to protect its society and uphold the law not break society and have no law.
Comment by Anonymous — Mon 27th November 2017 @ 1:46 am
That’s the reason no big changes happen because no one pushes the boundaries enough we simply let them walk all over us and we’ll why would they bother sound anything when we accept it. No change ever happened from smiling and accepting the injustices.
It’s meant to say : why would they bother to change anything.Sorry as mobile auto corrects things
Comment by Anonymous — Mon 27th November 2017 @ 1:50 am
@5 ARE YOU KIDDING ??? it’s better to make people laugh ??? Can you tell me what’s funny about years of trauma enforced on child and parents????
Well I guess to you it’s funny to see people suffer . Just one big joke that many persons entire life is destroyed by family courts including innocent children. Real funny isn’t it!!!!
Should we then make jokes about our suicide rates ???? Because family court is a huge contributor to the suicide rates and numbers
Comment by Anonymous — Mon 27th November 2017 @ 1:56 am
Is a naive understanding of Jim Bagnall. The character ‘Judge Dread’ for example had several distinct purposes.
1. For men who found it difficult to involve themselves in a protest because they related the protest to their own personal experience rather than the demeanor of the court it created a point of focus and understanding for those men.
2. It turned a protest against ‘judicial’ authority into a more publicly acceptable sight.
3. Although it never attracted media attention as it was intended, which was probably more to do with the Principal Family Court Judge threatening editors, the spectacle created a photo opportunity.
4. It allowed Jim to be another persona, a character responsible for taking the piss out of the stupidity and intolerance of the a child bashing court, which Jim saw through the eyes of a teacher and an anthropologist.
Comment by Downunder — Mon 27th November 2017 @ 6:07 am
@10. I find your comment slightly offensive, possibly due to grammatical error in the statement “ when you can be bothered “.
I am 24/7 bothered against the plight of men, and this is worldwide. Since 2005, I do continue to try and provide support where I am able, provide logistical and financial support when able and requested.
Comment by Paul Catton — Mon 27th November 2017 @ 9:25 pm
@15 I’m sure you know I wouldn’t be rude to you Paul.
If only the public could see how the legal fraternity has high-jacked legal aid and turned it into expensive welfare for the arse end of the profession they would understand your efforts and appreciate what do for free.
Comment by Downunder — Tue 28th November 2017 @ 9:09 am
I think the higher court judges in this country are very exceptional and special people. When you get to court of appeal or supreme court the speed at which the judges at this level can understand complex issues in a whole range of subjects ranging from 6 week tax trials to understanding the procedures on how planes land in difference circumstances vers city airport extension needs.
I know a family court judge through doing business and he was an impressively clear minded and balanced person.
The problem is not the judges and it is not necessarily the way the law is written. It is the risk people pose to their own children and trying to guess if anyone is fibbing or stretching the truth about past behavior and bringing children up the wrong way.
If I were a judge and I was trying to workout if a child would be safe in the custody of an individual or better off if they were with their mother or father. The mother is the obvious choice and a safer bet unless the evidence shows otherwise. What we are talking about is having decisions made against males just because they are males. But can you honestly say as a father you could entertain and keep busy a 7 year old better than a mother could? It takes a lot of time, skill and patience. And some days the seven year old can push all of your buttons.
Good fatherhood role models are essential to win shared custody of your children. And if you are lacking or have limited skills in bringing up children you need to learn them so well they become part of your nature.
I know this goes against the grain here. Especially when some men here may of not been able to see there children grow up.
It was very right the judge had police protection and protesting outside a judges home is a golden gate bridge too far.
Money is an issue too. Fathers trying to live and pay support can be difficult for anyone. Perhaps special assistance from Government is needed make it work re split families so the man doesn’t get to hopelessly overwhelmed while dealing with his situation.
Children are better off with 2 parents who are working together as a team. But they need to be safe and have the skill, time and money it needs to look after them.
If you cant get access to your children for extended periods then there is most likely a reason. Think carefully how you behaved. Go and get the help and skills you need to hopefully gain shared custody.
Comment by Lukenz — Tue 28th November 2017 @ 11:00 pm
To protest or not
If so confine it to the business or.take.to the private homes as wellthis is what we are taking about.
Many of us have decent relationships with our children but what did we go through to get there. What did they go through.
C4c broke the law, per erred the course of justice.
Judges broke the law.
Psychologists reported what was necessary to support a predetermined outcome
This report was reversed 12 weeks later, then again 18 months later.
All of these people except for one judge are still serving up the same disgrace to different children.
They need to be exposed and held to.account. They are protected by the law society disgrace, they are protected by the LCRO who does not do his job – over 3 years to have complaint heard.
There is precious little actual accountability for these people yet they are there to do a job. Cycle may have assisted the police in monitoring the mother and her bike association so that they could be arrested for illegal activity. The mothers participation may have been So a informant with her relationship with the children as a leader error for her involvement and much worse.
Do I think these people should have a peaceful protest large and long at their home and business?
YES: until there is real change.
Read court of 8njusti email by Lauren Quantico of 200q. Show the real CHANGE now. There is none. Mummy gets legal aid daddy can take hack it.
Daddy applies.and gets a our the order, mummy doesn’t adhere to it with impunity.
Daddy these the our the order to the police when the mother doesnt adhere to it, the cop.says piss off we don’t even protect dairy owners but if you know anyone driving with an expired WOF we will be there like a shot and speaking of shot, we will have firearms because he may be a father.
That’s 2 reality so yes we must protest at this system for our Hildreth ND father’s.
Comment by Bradley Petherick — Thu 30th November 2017 @ 9:25 am
Whilst protesting is harmless , it is an opportunity to increase awarenes.
However, going to a persons address is exactly the wrong approach and it makes the protest appear as a threat, hence the police.
What I believe may be more successful, the members or readres use our networking skills.
What I mean is, let’s band together as a huge collective group including our children and march together under one united front.
A peaceful march is lawful and will be supported by the police.
The inclusion of our children holding signs will speak louder than a group of men outside some guys house.
Let’s set the standard and make sure our message is heard locally and internationally.
Comment by Cam — Tue 12th December 2017 @ 12:17 am
@ 17 People like you are the reason the system is like this.
To say that a mother is the better default choice is just absolute BULLSHIT.
You say ” But can you honestly say as a father you could entertain and keep busy a 7 year old better than a mother could”
YES <YES I CAN .
You mate i suspect are one of those guys (if you are a guy) that goes to work and then comes home and needs time to unwind, before dealing with kids.
Most of us real men do not need unwind time because having the kids around us is the unwinding time.
Comment by Jack Williams — Mon 29th January 2018 @ 11:18 am
I’ve walked up and down the isle of a plane and kept a baby quiet because no one likes a screaming baby on a plane. Mothers usually manage by themselves but there’s not much a man can’t do when he puts his mind to it.
Comment by Evan Myers — Mon 29th January 2018 @ 3:55 pm
#21 🙂
We definitely need to project men as nurturing and capable.
Comment by Allan Harvey — Mon 29th January 2018 @ 4:49 pm
@22 so what do think …
Should Clarke be pushing the pram on the long haul flights while Jacindarella is globe trotting on behalf of NZ?
Or should she be going to work by herself and leaving the baby at home with Dad while she’s out working?
Comment by Evan Myers — Mon 29th January 2018 @ 5:48 pm
To make it clear that one of the major problems is that those who are called judges have the power and authority and use their own discretion to judge on people and to tell me that they always doing it right ? They can abuse whoever they want based on ‘the balance of probabilities’ without the need of evidence and proof.
So the conclusion is , if you have a problem with a gang member, would you attack the whole gang or just the gang member ? Maybe the ones who criticized the judges houses protest can answer ?
Comment by Zayne — Sat 17th February 2018 @ 9:03 pm
It would not surprise any well informed person to see protests rise from the Family Court again with a Labour Green coalition pushing Feminist dogma …
News space about protests outside judges houses, that’s refreshing.
Comment by Evan Myers — Tue 17th April 2018 @ 11:32 am
Mr Little said men should protest in certain “by default, state sanctioned” places rather than pester Judges. I don’t know where Mr Little has been for the totality of his adult life but everyone knows there’s people protesting about the family court. That a commonly held view is the FC operates with bias agianst men. Why protest in those Mr Little audited protest places when he already failed to listen during all his life so far to a damn thing in regard to men’s issues. If he had he would have ordered an inquiry into these men’s issues. He didn’t do that. He just directed those protesting to go to his safe space.
Keep protesting until he wakes up to the world around him, or he cracks, or he proves to Jacinda and The Minister for Women that he too will do anything to keep NZ women safe. Mr Little should understand by now that it really does meen anything.
Comment by DJ Ward — Tue 17th April 2018 @ 7:27 pm
Andrew Little seems to be showing that he will be as spectacularly ineffective as the previous Lational and Nabour Ministers of Justice, through the last 30 years.
If Italy can reasonably successfully target mafia for prosecution, NZ should be able to reign in court and Parliamentary corruption?
Comment by MurrayBacon — Tue 17th April 2018 @ 9:37 pm
Judges, top police brass, lawyers etc are part of the N.Z establishment. The only thing the establishment is afraid – are changes .
In today;s Herald, story about the protest . all the quotes came from the establishment , non from the the fathers . what does that say to you ?
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Comment by GEORGE SIMONOVSKI — Tue 17th April 2018 @ 11:12 pm
If they had safe places they’d want a paid up current licence like they have for beggars in Napoli, so it’s more likely the Mafia is already running the place.
Comment by Evan Myers — Wed 18th April 2018 @ 10:26 am
What’s interesting, though, is last election;
Cunliffe was apologising for being a man, and he’s down the drain now. And at the same time Little was all anti-male hate speech in New Plymouth, and he couldn’t even win a traditional Labour seat, and he has gallantly sacrificed himself for the princess.
He’s just another clingon in the gaggle too.
Seriously, you’d hardly call either of them, men, would you?
Comment by Downunder — Wed 18th April 2018 @ 10:40 am
Thank you fathers 4 justice and those that have turned up at judges residences to protest peacefully. I was unsure of the effectiveness of such campaigns but now I’m inclined to agree it’s the best way to achieve change. I’ve style outside parliament protesting and been totally ignored and written off as inconsequential as Sid Hanslic was.
Any protest this weekend in Aucks .. text me, I’ll join you. 02108871800
Comment by Voices back from the bush — Wed 18th April 2018 @ 11:26 am
There’s more shit in the walls of the Family Court than Middlemoore Hospital but ‘Little’ chance of getting that investigated.
Comment by Evan Myers — Wed 18th April 2018 @ 12:17 pm
any protest in auckland—-text me, I’ll join you. 0211760693
Comment by cyrus — Wed 18th April 2018 @ 11:31 pm
#33 cyrus. This Saturday the 21st April. 12-30pm in Aotea Square.
Comment by golfa — Thu 19th April 2018 @ 9:13 am