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Both my daughters dropped out of school when they turned 16. Now they spend all day at home doing nothing, not working etc. it’s been over 8 months. Their mother is in support of this. I understand that child support continues until 19 or such full time employment over 30 hours a week. Does this mean that my daughters get a three year paid holiday and I don’t get do do anything about it?
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Comment by Scrap_The_CSA — Wed 12th September 2012 @ 4:17 pm
It’s like paying child support for truant kids because truancy officers can’t do their job but who needs father’s anyway.
Comment by Down Under — Wed 12th September 2012 @ 4:49 pm
As Scrap says… YES. This is an all too frequent occurrence.
While it may be of scant comfort the new system as from April 2013 reduces the age at which CS stops from 19 to 18 (though it remains at 19 if the ‘child’ is still at a “registered school”). The age 19 has always been iniquitous when one considers that Guardianship ends when a ‘child’ is 18!
Comment by Non custodial Dad — Wed 12th September 2012 @ 5:48 pm
Registered school. Does that mean we will have to pay child support till our children finish university? That’s why we have the changes to student allowances; you won’t be able to get a student allowance any more but you will be able to borrow it as part of your student loan if you can’t get it of the old man in child support.
Comment by Down Under — Wed 12th September 2012 @ 5:58 pm
Mikey, the hardest pill to swallow is the realisation that you are not in reality the ‘father’ of your children once you and their mother separate. Also note that whist some characteristics from your DNA will be displayed in your children, unfortunately the major behavioural characteristics are acquired from those adults that the children live with day to day. If your ex is a fat lazy good for nothing bitch then except your daughters to display the same behaviour. If her partner is a conniving cunt then expect your sons to be the same. Play the same game as the NZ Govt. Pay the child support without complaint but any chance you get in life to fuck the govt in the arse financially then do so.  The state robbed me of 3 children and I learnt some time ago that if you ever believe that you will be treated fairly by the system then you are badly mistaken. Become the man that you are treated like……. Don’t give a fuck for the system stay hardened and never ever let your love for your children weaken your resolve. Your love for them is your achilles heel and will bring you more despair than happiness.  Never forget that you are a man in a woman’s world and as such you are just a piece of shit. Good luck!ÂÂ
Comment by Kamikaze — Thu 13th September 2012 @ 6:30 am
Hi Non-custodial Dad.
Guardianship ends at 16 and for some matters like acces to health information potentially much earlier.
For example doctors may prescribe contraception or arrange terminations without knowledge of guardians.
There are scraps of guardianship details that remain to 18 but it just window dressing. For example under 18 year olds require permission to marry but there are other options like living together that it would be abusive for a parent to interfer about.
We expect kids to grow up and make decisions for themselves and parents liability for Child Support remains till 19. But if they go to University they remain dependent on parents (and have only limited access to student allowance) till they are 25. Even married children with no children of their own are considered dependent for student allowance purposes till they are 25.
Tis a strange world.
Comment by allan harvey — Thu 13th September 2012 @ 9:24 am
@6 Something tells me there is a nasty surprise coming with this new child support legislation around the funding of tertiary education.
Comment by Down Under — Thu 13th September 2012 @ 10:25 am
LOL Kamikaze.
Mikey, Look at the state’s hypocrisy. Paula Bennett can threaten withdrawal of benefits if beneficiaries don’t jump through governmental hoops but we cannot withhold child support if ex’s flagrantly disregard parenting orders and the like. It should be called Spousal support not child support. At least that would be honest.
I have shockingly learned that i am merely a wallet with virtually no rights yet countless obligations. Sickened and distressed by the whole fucking sorry mess.
Comment by Shafted — Thu 13th September 2012 @ 11:41 am
5 summed things up really well – you have massive banking generated debt thrown onto every western society by bankers and there mates in govt around the world – which tax payers are now burdened with – keeping us all under control – debt ridden people seldom have the means or the ability to do anything but exist.
Take a look around – we now live in a user pays world – all the services govt’s and councils used to provide for FREE, as part of your tax contribution = have all but been rolled out as a new user pays product. Kids included. Kids is an easy one, because fathers will do anything to protect them and see them – so we are an easy touch in forcing us to pay ( $$$$ ) to see them.
INitially after separation – The system forces the dad to contribute every last cent he has to the legal profession just to get some time with his kids, while also having to defend his reputation against all the usual lies the system allows to be thrown at him.
You are then forced pay over every last remaining cent you have left in child support, under threat of arrest, have any property you have left, seized to pay the debt – legalised extortion – not income based, removing the govt of all its responsibilities and costs to that child the govt would normally have when that child leaves school and become part of the unemployed work force.
Easy simple system forcing others to pay the unemployment benefit for them and also keeping that “person” from being a statistic on the unemployment benefit. A double whammy benefit to govt.
I refer to the Child is a “PERSON” now since dad by this time, has no longer seen them, or had much to do with there lives after he has been made destitute, and refused normal relations with his own child. Father is replaced with the new title – Social services provider.
The system does not give a fuck about fathers, or the kids – we are just pawns in a game of money making and cost saving.
Hornet
Comment by hornet — Sat 15th September 2012 @ 9:38 am
Allan
#6. Sorry, buut you are incorrect about the age at which Guardianship ends! See S28 of Care of Children Act 2004. It is self explanatory. As to all the other stuff I am gratful for your reminder but I am fully cognisant of the many iniquities that devalue Guardianship ‘rights’ including, among other things, abortions for young girls, pill prescriptions for under age girls etc. etc. etc.
As for student allowances etc after age 19, I am sorry but I don’t see the relevance to Child Support! That is a separate issue entirely and not one that seems to exercise disenfranchised Dads. nAs I have mentioned already, under the new formula the age at which CS liability ceases will be 18 though it will remain at 19 if the ‘child’ is at a “Registered School”. The definition of “Registered School” is set out in the Education Act if I remember correctly (though it has been a while since I read it so can’t bring the relevant section to mind). Whether that includes University I would not like to say without first re-reading the Act. But since it doesn’t affect me directly I am disinclined to spend any time on it! BUT, if any other contributor can throw light on it……
AS you say “Tis a strange world”…..
Comment by Non custodial Dad — Mon 24th September 2012 @ 7:42 pm
Yes tis a strange world.
Unfortunately section 28 is not at all self explanatory and you need to study section 50 which for nearly all purposes other than the odd crumb effectively means guardianship (or at least having an input into where your child lays their head at night time)ends on 16th birthday. Roll on majority!!
The relevance of Student Allowance matters is that young people under the age of 25 married or not are still deemed dependent on their parents if they earn over something like $50,000pa. That is both parents combined incomes being less than $50,000 for a full student allowance to be paid.
It is unfortunately typical of many that if an issue does not affect them personally they have no interest.
Comment by Allan Harvey — Mon 24th September 2012 @ 10:41 pm
In response to Kamikaze
Rubbish, become the person you want to be and set an example for your kids!
Comment by rawkusworldwide — Tue 25th September 2012 @ 1:15 pm