CYFS and our baby
WE NEED HELP.
Let me introduce myself,
we have a 5 month old son called Alex. Alex was born in Chch Womens hospital in June of this year and was very premature coming 11 weeks early and weighing only 780g. My wife had a very troublesome pregnancy as she suffers from several health problems which made conceiving a baby almost impossible, so it was a miracle that she found she was pregnant on 24 Dec last year.
In March of this year her pregnancy became worse as her bad back was starting to give her trouble as was her diabetes. I at this stage gave up my work to be able to stay at home to care for her as she was mostly bed ridden and unable to do day to day chores in the running of the house. This put a strain on our financial state as we had to go onto a benefit to survive. It took WINZ a month to put a benefit in place and we struggled through the whole of March with no income.
On my birthday May 23, my wife took ill and was admitted to Chch Womens hospital, as her diabetes had worsened and she became insulin dependant. During this time for the safety of baby she decided herself to stop her epilepsy and anti depression medication as these drugs in her system would be harmful to the developing baby. My wife spent 4 agonising weeks completely on bed rest as she struggled with her own health and that of baby. The diabetes was contributing to another medical condition known as pre-eclampsia, this causes a decreased blood flow to the placenta and was dramatically slowing down the growth of baby.
The doctors were trying to keep baby going until he was strong enough to remove. She kept going for another week and on Jul 14 the decision was made to take baby. My wifes health was getting worse by the hour, her liver and kidneys were closing down, and we were in great danger of loosing them both. On June 15 at 11:30am she was taken to the theatre for an emergency cesarean and the baby was delivered at 11:55am.
He was so small and was only 780g and there was the possibility he would not survive as there were no respiratory effort and a very low heart beat. However day by day he grew more stronger as she recovered from her surgery.
Alex was transferred to NICU level 3 where he was ventilated and monitored very closely. My wife and I stayed by his incubator for 10+ hours per day every day. After a week she was allowed to come home, and we commenced daily commuting back and forth to the hospital, 4 times a day as she was home expressing milk for him. Alex spent two and a half months in NICU with a loving and devoted Mum spending hours by his cot reading and feeding her new son.
The day finally arrived when they said we could take him home. Great the best day of our life. He was discharged on oxygen, as being premature his lungs were still developing, and had a sleep monitor which alerts us to him having stopped breathing during the night. But it was great having him home, no more travelling.
Alex quickly settled to life at home and we were very proud parents, we sent lots of pictures to our families, mine in Nelson andmt wifes in South Africa, we loved to show him off! He had heaps of visitors, his friends from Neonatal Outreach, Plunket and CCS all call regularly to monitor his progress and they are all thrilled by the way, we as new parents are treating and nurturing our child. His Well Child Book is filled with glowing reports as to his progress.
Alex has grown from a 780g prem baby to what he is today, a 5.5kg smiley, bubbly and very friendly baby. We as parents have taken all care of our son, from his regular doctors checks to his 6 weekly immunisations and have never let him fall prey to the many bugs and viruses out in the open air. We have sacrificed our humble lifestyle to make sure he is safe and secure.
My wife even stopped expressing milk for Alex as her depression and epilepsy started to return and she needed to go back onto her medications. This was a huge wrench for her as she thought she would be classed as a bad mother for doing so. However on medical advice and on the opinions of our support teams, she restarted her treatments. This was after she had stored over 100, 120ml bottles of milk in our freezer! Alex has had a good start to life, a little shaky to begin, but with our love and care he is today a gorgeous and lively son.
NOW OUR PROBLEM
On Fri evening last at about 6pm, Alex had just finished his evening bath. I was carrying him from the bathroom to the bedroom for my wife to ready for bed. I had him in my arms and as I was about to settle him on the bed, he gave an enormous kick, this set him rolling inwards from my arms, and he started to fall to the floor. With my left hand I instinctively grabbed at whatever I could get to stop his fall. My hand closed around his upper right arm and I pulled him up onto the bed. Thank God I thought he didn’t hit the floor.
Alex was of course a bit startled, and gave a few cries, and at that point my wife came into the room and commenced to dress him for bed. I told him I had a close call, and she told me to be more careful. She swaddled him for the night in his wrap and put him to bed with his bottle. He was a little irritable, but we thought nothing of that as he normally is at bed time when he is tired. He had his bottle and went off to sleep. At around 1am he started to cry, its his early feed we thought, and gave him another bottle and I turned him to his right side.
That was when he really yelped! I turned him onto his back and he calmed, but was fairly grizzly for the rest of the night. At around 3am he was quite noisy and really crying hard. My wife took him from the bed, but when picking him up, he screamed. My wife unwrapped him from his blanket, and
his left arm started to wave around, but the right was just lying there, with no movement and no grasp in his hand.
We gave him 3ml of liquid Panadol and called A&E at Chch Hospital who told us to bring him in. We arrived at the hospital at 4am, he was examined, xrayed and told he had a fracture in his upper right arm.
At around 6am the doctor told us that because of the nature of the injury she would be calling in the Social worker and she would talk to us. She did come and talk and told us that CYFS would have to be notified. We had no objection to this at all as we had nothing to hide, and we had bought him in because of the accident. The doctor returned later to tell us the xray showed a clean break and was not consistent with an injury as i had described and further examinations of Alex would be required to see if he had other injuries. Once again we did not object as this was hospital protocol in these matters.
He had the next day a full skeletal xray, which we as his parents were excluded from. This upset my wife terribly as Alex is not used to be with strangers, especially as the examination was going to be a painful one. The results came back and too our shock and horror they told us he also had a small fracture to the left knee. This they told us would only be caused by vigourous shaking. we were stunned. Our little man has never been shaken, we would never harm our son, he is far too precious. They then told us they would do an MRI to check for damage to his brain. We got the results of that several agonising hours later. No damage, at least thats some consolation we thought, and we felt a little lighter.
Later that day to our horror we were taken from the hospital by the Police, seperately and in different cars. We were ( I will use the term interrogated) for 4 hours, my wife in her vunerable state by 2 male detectives and myself by 1 female detective. We gave them our statements of the event and were taken back to the hospital. The next day my wife was again taken to our home for them to take photos and she was again questioned at length. They keep on at her, trying to tell her to make me confess. But what am I supposed to confess too, it was an accident for Gods sake.
The Police are taking it out on my wife and her emotional state is now so low she is having major asthma attacks and has not slept since last Saturday. I now fear she is going to have a complete breakdown. We had an interview with CYFS yesterday and they had a meeting today with the hospital, Police and our support teams Plunket, CCS and Neonatal Outreach, who spoke in our defence. A call late this afternoon from CYFS told us that we are going to loose our child. We are both devastated, no one will believe us when we say what had happened.
The hospital wont give us the information we need, all they keep telling us is “that the break could only be caused by vigourous shaking”. We have no immediate family for support, its only the two of us against the system, which is proving too powerful for us. We are going to loose our son which my wife fought so bravely to bring into this world. We love him and want to bring him home where he is safe. He has already caught a virus in hospital and had a nurse drop a toy train on his head!
Please we are at our wits end, my wife and I are emotionally drained, we have even considered owning up to something we did not do to make this all go away. This is a nightmare, I wish I could wake in a cold sweat and find it is.
Please help us bring our baby home for Xmas.
Footnote:
CYFS took our child yesterday from the hospital to a home, while this matter is investigated. We as parents seem to have lost our rights, and I fear for my wife’s health wellbeing.
Thank you so much for your time in reading this.
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oh sorry guys my underscore _ in my e-mail diddn’t show up it should have an underscore _ between michelle _ lee @ xtra.co.nz thanks
my e-mail has no spaces and is all in lowercase michelle(then underscore_)@xtra.co.nz Would love to hear from someone on this blog and I could send pictures, all the best!
Yes for sure Michelle, of course you can join me, i was hoping many of us could get together outside parliament and not eat until every poor innocent child in this country is returned to their parents but we all need to take with us a blown up photo of our children, put it this way the second these ————- take our children your dead, they have taken your life, without your children you have nothing, hunger strike is the most powerful weapon
Hi Alex & Family, I read your blog and hurt so bad, never own up to something you didnt do, my wife did just that and it is the worst thing she has ever done, although she had all the hospital documents to say her daughter of 5mths died from illnesses she had from birth, she was a young solo mother who was in womans refuge due to being raped and beaten by some guy she took in to her home as she felt sorry for him, he left Auckland taking all her property including her car and she was taking her son and daughter back and forth to starship, cypfs were involved but when my wife asked if they could help by taking her daughter for a couple of nights just so she could rest a little they said no, my wifes daughter died, cypfs took her son, she was thrown out on the street, police picked on her, detective wrote a false statement accusing my wife of murder, her lawyer was a ——— telling her to just plead guilty and get it over with otherwise he didnt want to know, she went not guilty up until trial and found she had nothing, pleaded guilty to manslaughter, she just couldnt handle being part of this world, she never wanted to come out, the day she got out i met her and will never let her go, i believe in her and i hope all you people can too, lets stick together and f—-these ——– ———- we love our children
I would be really keen to stage some sort of protest down here
(Christchurch) my husband and I went through a horrible experience when our
son was 5 weeks old i wont go into it but basically i feel that everyone
overreacted and the health system abused our baby (by forcing us to have
skeletal surveys done which may give him cancer!) not us, we were lucky our son wasnt taken away but that was only because they knew that we were unjustly accused by the hospital, me and my husband are in the process of doing
a formal complaint, we finally have recieved our notes from cyfs only to
find that it is full of spelling mistakes they have mine my husbands and my
sons age wrong and basically they look like they were written by monkeys,
I am so unhappy with the way we were treated and the appaling way in which
the whole thing was handled not only by cyfs but by christchurch hospital
as well, we are writing to anyone who will listen (politicans, ombudsmans, cheif medical officer of health, campbell live etc)and i am also prepared to go to the media, i would love to hear from anyone in christchurch who has
been unjustly accused or anyone who would like to stage a protest of any kind
Hi Michelle, we have tried every government agency possible, they dont want to know, i would be interested in a protest anywhere in the country as long as i am not the only one who turns up but i prefer hunger strike, starship hospital, womans refuge and cypfs are to blame for my wifes baby girls death and they will pay
Hi Hadi, and pay they will. I personally curse those lying CYFFS motherF….. it the firey pits of hell, their foul stinking vermon should be erased from the Earth forever. CYFFS are Nazi SS Gestapo lying, slandering scum. They have no heart they are not human. Hadi have you got MSN MESSENGER you can add me at
sweetmedicinewoman@hotmail.com All the best Michelle in Hamilton
Hi Michelle, i have no idea what you are talking about, is that msn messenger on the computer or mobile? sorry i arent really that great when it comes to computers and mobiles but i e-mailed you the other night and dont think you received it, you have no idea how angry i am with these ——— ———– sorry i havent thought of a name for them yet as i dont think there is a name that fits their description, but what you people have said so far are not too bad, Michelle, i didnt know you were in Hamilton, could we please come and see you some time, our address is 74 Delta Ave New Lynn Auckland, our phone numbers are 8260027 0212720321 iwe would love to see your photos
Hi Hadi I’m sorry I diddn’t receive any e-mail from you. I would love to send you photgraphs of us. If you e-mail me at my hotmail address:
sweetmedicinewoman@hotmail.com I promise to get back to you and send yousome photos. When I have you e-mail I will be able to send you an invite to messenger. It’s cheaper than using the telephone. I’de never be without MSN Messenger. You have to download and install it, then fill out an online form and then start connecting with contacts anywhere in the world. Of course you are very welcome to come and see me. I’m gonna be away this week I leave for Wellington on Wednesday night. I’m going down there to see my favorite band of all time rock out Wellingtons WestPac Trust Stadium. American rockers KISS. They are gonna be dressed to kill in their warpaint, yippie.It’s gonna be a blast seeing my idol, Paul Stanley again.
My telephone number is (07) 8497744
My address is 10 Jamieson Crescent, Te Rapa, Hamilton.
Take care Hadi, Michelle in Hamilton
Hi Michelle, My e mail address is hadiakbar@gmail.com
Hi Michelle, i was just reading some of these comments, i must say there are a lot of arrogant people in this country who really wouldnt have a clue but then i was just like that when people including friends were telling me about how their poor innocent little children were stolen from them, i said no way, people dont tell lies that will destroy a persons life and steal their children but when it happens to you, i still cant believe it, how these 1000.000s of people have sat back and let these ——– ——– treat them this way, ill be damned but nobody takes MY child and gets away with it, i have all my whanau back in Iran there for me including Uncle Mamoud (president of Iran) i have a lot of very close friends here who are Maori, Samoan, Tongan and Middle Eastern
Hi guys, i just thought maybe some of you might like this info.
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Hi everyone been reading your stories and now really scared. I have just been to cyps today due to my 5year old daughter telling me that in the weekend when she was at her dads she was in bed wih her father’s parents and her grandad pulled up his wifes top and got my daughter to pinch her nana’s boobs. I was horrified of what i had heard every mothers worst nightmear. I was told today from cyps that not only will they investergate them but also me why me what have I done but try and protect my daughter. I also have 2 other children to my husband. The system is really F@#$ed up as i have been to my lawyer recently about her uncle hitting her and nearly drowning her in the pool but I couldnt stop her dad from having her and now this has happened. Can anyone give me any advice on how to prepare for cyps to come into my home and investegate me I am a loving mum and will do anything for my kids. I no they will try and use my age against me as i am only 24 nearly 25 and have 3 kids close together but I work (from home) and my kids have everything they need. Can some one please give me some advice I cant lose my kids they are my life. im on msn nickyrichards_777@hotmail.com
seeing my lawyer early next week
Hi Nicky, i honestly dont know what to say, how unfortunate you had to go to those ———- ——– i can see you love your children as we all do and are just looking out for them, probably should have gone to the police although they would have contacted those ———- ——– anyway, once you get them in your life there is no getting rid of them, have someone reliable with you when they come around, you have done nothing wrong so dont be scared
Hiya Nicky – be aware that they do check the children’s bedrooms if they want to, I have added both you and Michelle to my msn, i hope you both don’t mind, i think the best way to fight these people is if we share our knowledge so others like you nicky, be can be ready and expect what is coming.they do also lie, whatever you do don’t try joke, they will take it and turn it around, in fact, say as least as possible and don’t get angry (because your trying to stand up for your child/ren otherwise they will say you have anger issues, oh and try find a good lawyer, they help some and not others so i guess its and 50% chance you will get a good one that isnt all about the system.god bless.
Hi Bernie
I am a sad grandmother, as we had a family group conference today, and my daughter was told she is going to have her baby taken from birth, a little girl. They say she hasn’t changed, and we know that she has. They look into the past and keep coming up with this stuff. My daughter has changed, and is stable, goes to drug and alcohol counselling. We told them my husband and I would be prepared to move in with her, to support her, but they said that would not stop the baby being taken from birth and fostered out. What can we do? It is going to court, after she has had baby.
cypfs shouldnt be allowed to step in where other family members are prepared to step…that sux…arseholes
step in and take over i meant to say
There is Speciaist CYFS help at http://www.cyfstalk.org. One section is called cyfs help. there is national membership, and a developing Australian presence. You have to join. You may use an alias and yahoo type address, however you have to supply your real name and an ISP address in confidence to the administrators. The servers are off shore. It is totally secure, well as secure as anything on the internet ever is. They regularly name Social workers etc. A database of the satraps of the system is being devaloped presently and will be available for use soon, (As I am motivated to finish it)
The other group, though not so radical is pauls-news (www.yahoohroups.com/pauls-news)
It focus’s more on fanily court issues including self representation. somewhat less secure than cyfstalk but the same rules for joining apply.
MSN is totally insecure. As are bebo and the other social sites. We have reason to believe cyfs monitor them regularly and act on information. Do NOT even think of posting personal information there. Both the groups I mentioned Cyfs and their sychophants attempt to join the secure groups at frequent intervals, we have managed to thwart them. You are welcome to apply to either or both groups.
Go to google and look up cyfs caregivers
Go to google and look up cyfs social workers
so sad to hear the reason why i know i 3 poor children have been neglected for 6 years, all because cyfs are wasting all their resources and time etc on innocent families. they have their job to do and are too busy with the wrong people its heartbreaking to hear about innocent families while the children who really need the help are suffering silently. for the first time in so many years cyfs are finally listening to us. maybe something will be done insteading of waiting for one of them to die before anything is done
I think CYF no right I need get church someone very fantacise experince more than any lawyer or counseller why because church are community in area any national or local other people make children get hurt hasnt enough throught to heart broken from thier parent example same like Eve and Adam thier sons Callum and Adel brother are twin because father bad attudie show children make women of mother very hurt that why I not think CYF very isnt good same like court i think not good I think best Jesus or Jehavon can trail to thier people to choice right. from Misty i hope not get me wrong haha.
I am a mother of four children we come from whangarei and I lost my son to a set up by my ex partners mother who preplanned with cyps kamo to take my son at birth,domestic violence, portrayed by her son shes a care giiver and a druggie a piss head history of family violence knows how to work on people for pleasure
had a relationship for somewhat she recalls 12years to her husband raised 8 children and from what her son has said he doesnt know why cyps never took us away from our violent piss head parents. her name is Sarah Heta or Sarah pomare.
now remeber i said she had a husband of 12 years left him because of his violence where he apparently threatened to kill her its 2008, and he resides in
her housing new zealand house in tikipunga and he follows her where ever she gos, for example sarah has a new mann who also has a ex wife kids who live in Australia, whos similar life relates to sarah hes also a cyps caregiver a dependant bludger to cyps kamo for financial asistince for everything you can get frm cyps. his name is johnson Rudolph, resides in Broadwood kaitaia my son is two years of age and i had him for 6 months alot of court fights cyps placed him with a sick mental caregiver whos is a well known addict who today says shes a innocent mother, whos never used at all acts so innocent b careful dont trust these caregivers indenial family my son got taken off me because of nai in may 5th 08, i was cleared by the police, and cyps still till this day have not seen or herd anything to do with my son sarah is using her whanau who also work in cyps who support this lady to have permancy this is a sad story you lose your baby at birth because of domestic violece given that your baby gos to the perpatrators family and not yours i dont want any mother to go threw what 2years has done to me, im still battling in court and the paternal grandmother is trying to get full custody by the way i used to be a druggie and i am clean i dont drink i have a healthy safe house and i ended up having a baby girl shes my first vilent free bubs drugfree and im with alot of agencys this evil tart even tryed to take my baby while i was carrying always have your lawyer work with you build a relationship to be protected dont go to meetings with cyps take your trusted supporting members and you have rights use the law
HELLO EVERYONE, PLUS THE WORLD TOO,
HI MY NAME IS MISTY I AM FULL DEAF I COME FROM NEW ZEALAND AND I FEEL VERY SORRY FOR EVERYONE I AM SORRY TO EVERYONE I KNOW ABOUT PROBLEM VERY STRESS TO MOTHER ARE VERY A KIND A ANGER OF MANAGER BUT LISTEN TO ME I KNOW PLENTY MOST MAN ARE VERY LAZY ABOUT MAN 55% AND WOMEN STRESS 80% NOT PREFECT! ,YOU NEED GET NANNYSUPER OR CONSELLER HELP TO YOU IF YOU REALLY TO FAILURE GO BACK CHURCH MAKE YOU CHANGE GOOD PERSON EASY IF YOU WANT TO KNOW ABOUT ME I AM TELL YOU STORY YOU SAME LIKE ME I WAS WORSE STRESS I JUST THINK WHICH GOOD BETTER FOR ME PICK RIGHT FOR ME I WAS TRIED HAVE A LOOK ABOUT COUNSELLER HELP ME VERY GOOD I FEEL GOOD THEN I WANT BE GOOD DREAM WHAT I WANT CHURCH AND BIBLE HELP ME FOR SHOW CHILDREN ROLE MODEL THINK I AM GOOD MOTHER THAT WHY AND HEY EVERYONE LOOK Y’ALL CAN’T SEE WHERE “HEART” BALANCE IS GOOD OR BAD BUT GOD KNOW ABOUT HEART ARE KIND A BAD OR GOOD BEHAVOUIR I HEARD ABOUT BIBLE STORY WAS EXPLAIN TO ME BUT I NOT BEILEVE TO COURT NEED “PUNISHMENT” AND “WASTED!” BETTER AND WAIT FOR GOD GET BIG JUDGEMENT DAY YOU WILL FIND OUT I NOT THINK I NEVER TRUST TO COURT KIND ARE DIFFERENT STORY FO GOD ARE WHO ARE LAW RIGHT UP TO GOD CHOICE NOT FOR WORLD SORRY! TRUST ME AND I WON’T BE BLAME TO YOU AND YOU BEETER ASK ANY CHURCH KNOW ARE EXPERINCE BETTER THAN I AM AND IF YOU GO COURT AND JAIL SO I AM HERE TELL YOU BETTER CAREFULLY I HEARD THE USA AMERICAN TRIED KILL TO ANY HUMAN FROM JAIL TOO YOU MUST BETTER GO SEE TELL JESUS OR CHURCH WILL HELP YOU AND JESUS WILL SAVE FOR YOU KEEP THEY HAVE COURT IN HEAVEN I AM NOT BE PRETEND I HONSETLY WHEN I AGE 13 YEAR OLD I MEET AT HIM IN HEAVEN VERY NICE BETTER THAN CYF AND COURT NOT VERY GOOD.
I NOT BE RUDE TO YOU I WANT TO HELP TO YOU EVERYONE I GIVE YOU THINK ABOUT IT OK WHAT YOU WANT BETTER FOR YOU CAN!,
I LVOE YOU EVERYONE FROM MISTY I FORGIVE TO VERYONE
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Yep I know just how evil and vindictive these lying CYFFS Gestapo Satan Worshipers can be because I have suffered their full wrath full hand. CYFFS lied to the family court and put it in writing saying that my family made the recommendation to them that my children were in need of care and protection. This is simply not true. CYFFS emotionally blackmailed my family into their aggrement by cunningly telling them on the spot and without warning that if they diddn’t bow down to them and hand my children over to my wicked power and control freak EX, (not the biological father of my 2 little ones, but the major complaint informer and lying nark, but the father of my oldest daughter that has been returned to my care) then they were going to place my 2 little ones in automatic foster-care and that my family would not know where they went and would not be able to see them. A social worker snake by the name of LEE TRACY BLOOMFIELD, (note no children of her own) did nothing more than insult me with her lying CYFFS buddies, never communicated to me on any normal plane, just bullshitted her way through, lied and condemed me. My back was against the wall. She told me that my children were at risk and they had to do something about it. This is simply not true. All lawyers so far have taken my money, never listened to my side of the story. They too have bowed down to the sick, corrupt system. What is written on my CYFFS file is really disturbing, still gives me nightmares to this day, and what’s wworse is I know where all the slander has come from. I’ve been treated like an idoit by CYFFS and marched off to their henchmen for 2 false court assessments. I told these Nazis to save their paper for their 6 monthly court reports because what I read is too deverstating and it pushes me over the edge and at times has given me suicidal thoughts, so they stopped sending me their evil pieces of crap writing. The current social worker is a Black Africian bully, (and no offense to race or creed) but I’ll be buggered if I am going to have him tell me how to raise my children. It’s been 7 long years now, and to this day I have never met with this social worker who I know only as Emanuel. Yesterday he emotionally blackmailed my oldest daughters 18 year old boyfriend, and it has made his mother flipping mad and she’s about to do something about the cruel vindictive bullying and abuse too. She beleives in me and is standing up for me, and is learning about the corrupt sick system. 60 Minuets won’t touch on the issue because of the stupid PRIVACY ACT. I have learnt that CYFFS can breech the PRIVACY ACT anytime they like + over-write the Bill of Human-rights, this is political and a total abuse of power. I see it as the ulimate insult because there are no doubt true cases out there that fall through the cracks. Where were these selfish CYFFS social workers when those nasty thugz murdered poor little Nia Glassie. They knew all about that family! but chose not to act. This makes me even more angry. My 12 year old Gina does not even want to even talk to this social worker anymore because she supports me and sees the light. I would not know that the stolen generation of kiwi kids was happening right now at this very present moment if it had not happened to me, and I will never forgive them for destroying the lives of innocent families and treating them like common criminals. May CYFFS have blood on their hands for ever more as I curse them to the fires of hell. Haidi how are you and your wife doing in Auckland? I would love you 2 to come and visit me again. I will never give up the fight to bring to justice these evil callious social workers who do evil damage inside the corrupt FAMILY COURT. I think that they should change their name to the SS GESTAPO HEADQUARTERS, because they sure act like Hilters cruel murdering Nazis to me. I hope CYFFS rott and stink in hell for all eternity, CYFFS are the lowest form of life on the face of the planet and I hope that they reap what they sow.
There is a specialist CYF website at http://www.cyfstalk.org. Don’t worry if it appears down. Overseas server trouble! This is the site Peter Hall (CEO MSD) vowed to do what ever it took to shut it down. That was over a year ago. It’s still going.
hey michelle stewart,
yeah that very true about nazi and Queen england too both I never worship over nazi and queen england and goverment too make good idea gettig the planning make parent getting hurt over their kids but i know who is fault from egyt old very ago history you know from joshus first king his parent are real but his father tried abuse to joshua but his mum sent on the basket on the boat and the queen from egyt was found to when he was baby cried they are apdoted for him after he was grown up afhter when he was older when he was sought to real his parent ,
i am tell you not his fault nazi because nazi bad learn from roman was kill to jesus Christ can you remember that why from roman first soilder made it from eygyt was set up change new laws for world they not listen for god and i am tell you roman are normal but nazi want try copy from egyt be like him thy the egypt said no allow they want be egypt own land but i know nazi feel lose it because they are kind jewish with christian are good relationship you know what i mean?
bible was said told me about them old history are real i believe it you know same like first adam and eve was son from two boy was bad learn from his father was feel anger from eve was ate the apple after body change very anger and one boy was kill from his brother adel died from he was bad learn from his father was abuse from two boys and eve too and same as jesus died too i know not nazi fault i know roman fault make try blame to world and body too.
and thank you
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hey michelle stewart,
yeah that very true about nazi and Queen england too both I never worship over nazi and queen england and goverment too make good idea gettig the planning make parent getting hurt over their kids but i know who is fault from egyt old very ago history you know from joshus first king his parent are real but his father tried abuse to joshua but his mum sent on the bsket on the boat and the queen from egyt was found to when he was baby cried they are apdoted for him after he was grown up afhter when he was older when he was sought to real his parent ,
i am tell you not his fault nazi because nazi bad learn from roman was kill to jesus Christ can you remember that why from roman first soilder made it from eygyt was set up change new laws for world they not listen for god and i am tell you roman are normal but nazi want try copy for egyt be like him thy the egypt said no allow they want be egypt own land but i know nazi feel lose it because they are kind jewish with christian are good relationship you know what i mean?
bible was said told me about them old history are real i believe it you know same like first adam and eve was son from two boy was bad learn from his father was feel anger from eve was ate the apple after body change very anger and one boy was kill from his brother adel died from he was bad learn from his father was abuse from two boys and eve too and same as jesus died too i know not nazi fault i know roman fault make try blame to world and body too.
and thank you
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Hi in response to cyfs and our baby, i have read your story and was in a similar position to yourselves after an innocent attempt of trying to stop our son from choking, we too were threatened by the police and hospital to own up to something we never did. As we were alone with no family support, we made the fatal decision of agreeing to something we never did, to save our other children from being taken away, unfortunately my partner was sent to prison for 9 months and our children were still taken, we are still fighting to have our children returned home, however now one of the many caregivers (whom can not have children of their own) who my son has been from pillar to post to, are trying to seek custody orders for our son. A senior person in the cyfs office leaked confidential information to these caregivers who are now trying to use against us to keep our son. And now we are going through the court process as cyfs have finally agreed to let our son come home, however the caregivers have been given private psychological assessment reports and for some strange reason are now a part of our proceedings. I mean this is supposedly between us and cyfs, but now these people are involved as they have been leaked private information about us from senior cyfs officials, who i might add are still working for them even though an officail complaint has been made. I urge you to not agree to anything at all, and get copies of all hospital records and go further a field for a second opinion, preferably a doctor not in the same circles as the original doctor, we also had this problem, its amazing how hospitals can lose their records and mri scans etc. yet still help in ruining your life, the same is said about these cyfs workers, majority of them not even have children and are text book youngsters straight out of college. I wish you all the best of luck and you have my support, i hope for your sons sake that you dont miss out on his growing up, like i have had to do. I also suffer depression and it has only worsened since having my son stolen away from me.
I hope you get your son back,i am in the same shoes you are in.
Hi ,Firstly, i like to tell u how moved i was ,when i read your story, i’m tertiary studies assignment on the two world views of law in this country, namely maori lore versus crown law…..i am south african and have strong whanau values to and never thought this kind of thing happens in a first world country…among other topics to choose from, i least expected that cyfs, which i was pretty unsure of at the begining, up until now,I am deeply shaken by the responses to your stories…more importantly did u get your baby back? I would love some feedback if you have the time.
Yes Colleen, CYFFS here in New Zealand are very EVIL and very CORRUPT, This GESTAPO are causing many suicides, destroying and breaking up families all over New Zealand with their sick perverted lies. They are abusing their unlimited powers, they over-write our Bill of Human Rights, and breech the NZ Privacy Act. CYFFS do this because they have no watch dog authority nor independent complaints set up to challenge them. Lawyers are married to the sick evil corrupt system, and are only interested in making a quick buck. Shrinks and Psychologists reports are also set up and swayed in the Gestapos favour. This is totally bias, these court assessments are rigged and are false. These members of their SS team have a pre-meditated idea of what they are going to write long before you ever walk through their door for assessment. This is the cruel way that the Gestapo draw, quarter and hang their victims. I don’t accept their text book writings and bullshit, and I long for the justice for all the families that suffer because of CYFFS corruption. Council for child lawyers are the worst lawyers in the court room, they do not represent your child’s best interests, but their own selfish pockets. I had one Bitch lie directly to the JUDGE and the JUDGE let her get away with it. They practically laughed me out of the courtroom when I submitted my own papers without the help of any lawyer. I’m 8 years down the track and still I have received no trial/hearing inside the family court, and it does not look like I will ever get one either. I have been convicted by CYFFS without trial and I don’t buy a bar of their lies. One false telephone call by un-named outsiders can turn your life upside down forever, and this false allegation can result in the loss of your children, and you are left without a leg to stand on. Our stories are real and need to be told. Thanks for reading here and god bless.
Gosh, this must be so hard on you, I am doing an assignment on cyffs and its policies, and how theses practices clash with maori ethics…… i feel so sad for you,and cannot begin to imagine what you must be going through.Is it at all possible to quote your situation in my presentation, as after reading so many stories , i feel that yours most genuine and one that i have become so affected by….I am ” studying bi-cultural studies by the way, with my end destination being Psychology…Do you get to see your child and if so how often. please stay strong and be positive, as positivity breeds positivity….
Thanks Colleen. The most ridiculous that without trial I got granted unlimited unsupervised access to all of my 3 children, not being allowed to challenge the lies of CYFFS and their false accusers. My oldest daughter is now 17 and she has never been under the lying prying eye of the GESTAPO. I have never committed any kind of crime, yet CYFFS have framed me and made out that I am the dirtiest criminal on the face of the Earth. They like to think I am capable of harming my babies, like hell, this is more than a cruel insult to a solo mother who battled alone for 10 years until my number in the CYFFS department came up. They hounded me even before the birth of my first baby, because of false allegations and told the court that I am totally incapable of caring for my children. CYFFS put the knife in and twist all the positives into negatives. I feel for anyone who suffers at the hands of CYFFS. I’m still very proud of my 3 children and I would gladly give my life for them. CYFFS can’t hurt me or my children anymore. To hell with these vile cruel NAZIS
Hi parents,
I too would just like to say ” do not own up too something that you did not do ” at the end of the day we are just human beings that actually do have accidents and are clumsy. Thats how god made us! I believe in right and wrong and what this department has forgotten is that margority of us aren’t child abusers.
This goverment have seem to forgoten that they don’t actually own us. They never made us, meaning they dont own you or me or our families, so how can they dictate to us and seperate our families because they think they asume whats going on, when we are not friends with them and they are not involved in our lives. Stand up and fight say “no” you arent letting them do this to you. Fight them as hard as you can and do what you need to get your family back together again as it should be. If i were your mate i would be there right beside you and your wife.
I am as well just heading for the same battle as i have just found my brothers son that is has been in their care for 18years and we had know idea that he even exsisted. My family are fuming. Not once in 18 years did they even have the courteousy to let us know that he was ours. Beat’n up till he was 8years old everyday by carers, then moved to 32 other homes. I am appaulled and we are going into fight. So i will be doing my damdest to show them right from wrong and standing up for all whom deserve it in this country!!!! I promise.
You do the same ” you will win ” Have faith in you and your family that will be, if you mistakinglin marked your baby by stopping him from falling, well thats what you did. Don’t own up to something you didnt do!!! You are a good parent for stopping your baby from getting hurt seriously and parent would of acted in that very same way and i mean any one, you ,me, the politicans everyone.
Gather your strength and fight for your family my friend.
Regards
Christien Rudolph
Maori from the Northland
I am going to start a facebook page fo this shit…. F**K I HATE CYFS I AM ONLY A 20yr OLD MOTHER AND THEY TRYING TO TAKE HER(my daughter) AWAY FROM ME…..
why so they can molest beat and bring up criminals in their cyfs houses…
Add to facebook to fight cyfs now!!!! not never we need these stories publisised put in letterboxes and let the people know what can happen to decent caring parents
Josephine.K
Reply to Josephine
Whoa..!!!..Calm down Josephine,and I know easier said then done,I can tell you are very upset and please heed my words here …If you do that on ‘Facebook’ the C.Y.F.S can use your so called Face book comments in court that is not going to look good for you, or your partner…Get my drift….Do have a Lawyer representing you….??????????
John Dutchie
Josaphine, visit http://www.cyfstalk.org join up. Heaps of support, and advice. Best of all it’s an off shore server, you can, within limits, say what you like!
Re post under Josephine.K. We all realise that the post could have been placed by anyone, e.g. someone wanting to get the real Josephine K into trouble. If the real Josephine K reads this, I would recommend she make email contact with individuals here to discuss her case and seek advice and support. There are closed email support groups available for such support. Do not reply on this site to the post purporting to be from Josephine.K, because this site is open, read and monitored by various agencies and individuals hostile to men and families. Anything posted here is likely to be used against you.
John dear, where have you been. Lawyers are nothing more than a bloody cruel joke as far as I’m concerned. They take your money and do a fat diddley squat nothing. Can anyone introduce me to a Lawyer who stands against those lying CYFFS Gestapo bullies from hell because I have never met a lawyer that ever disagrees with those Nazi CYFFS scumb-bags. I would sure like to meet a Lawyer that would have the guts and the morals to stand up to CYFFS and expose them for all of their rotten nasty cruel lies and slander. You are right Jo, they do destroy innocent caring parents and they leave the real rotters alone. Nothing CYFFS say is ever true or positive. I hope that CYFFS choke on their dirty stinking lies and burn in the fires of hell forever
Reply to Michelle
Hi Michelle,first off,a warm welcome to you for posting on ‘Menz’ and I hope more Woman join and debate and post there opinions too…More the merrier…
Yes there is quite a bit of truth in your statement.
However Michelle I do a quite a bit of consulting work for some good,honest decent and very passionate Barristers who strive for justice and ‘A fair deal’…for there clients
And all of them who I work for have no problems on taking on so called ‘Establishment’
…I can think of one straight away that as a great and awesome attitude on taking those ‘F@#king Nazis’…To quote his words, not mine…..
Kind regards to Michelle and hope you post more often on Menz…….So refreshing to hear a Lady that says what she thinks, and doesn’t mince her words..Kudos to you …John Dutchie
John that was a wonderful note, and it’s given me a lot more hope. Thanks so much for your very uplifting words. I sure would love to meet a Lawyer that stands against this modern day GESTAPO, CYFFS. I never realized this kind of thing was going on until it happened to me. CYFFS are so full of it, and far too much power. CYFFS are the real abusers. I was doing OK raising my family by myself until those assholes stuck their noses into my life and listened to the most disgusting lies that I have ever heard. CYYFS SS NAZIS bullied my mother and put words into her mouth that she never did say. They insulted her and told her that because she lives in Nelson and I live in Hamilton that she doesn’t know what’s going on. They were rude and hurtful to anyone who put in a good character reference for me, including my own GP. I got branded seriously mentally impaired and they say that I might harm my children. Not that I ever had or ever will. It’s just mere speculation on their part if you ask me or anyone who knows me. It’s not what I have done, it’s what they say I might do, wow have these witches got a crystal ball – can they see into the future? I know that they crossed files and put someone elses personal information on my file, this person had the same first name & surname as myself but a different birth date. Isn’t that a breech of the privacy act? Can’t I sue them for this? In reality I don’t even fit the criteria for a mental heath assessment and even if I did is this an excuse to uplift your children? CYFFS and all their Nazi Bastard Squad make me want to puke!!!!! My children know that CYFFS lie through their teeth.
Hi Michelle, I think you’re being far too kind with your assessment of CYFS. They are much much worse than you describe them. I have known CYFS social workers to be the worst liars and child abusers and I have even experienced a social worker from CYFS stealing my personal property. Of course I shamed the prick who was forced by my Insurance Company to either return my property or pay for a replacement.
You are accurate when you accuse CYFS of being the real abusers. In fact I wrote a letter of complaint some months back where I accused them of being merely an extension of an abuser, where they react to malicious notifications and then continue the abuse that was previously meted out by that malicious individual.
It is good that your children realise that CYFS social workers are so dishonest. You have smart kids. I believe that CYFS are useless, incompetent, dishonest, manipulating filth. They pretend that they do what they do because they care about children … BULLSH!T. They do it for INCOME. Stop paying the cretins and see just how many show up to care about our children. It’s ALL about money!
Don’t take their sh!t! Stand your ground. The law allows them to have Power & Control over kids, not adults!
You’ll get some good advice and support from http://www.cyfswatch.org as suggested by Alastair above.
Oops! correction: http://www.cyfstalk.org/
Hi there – Yes you can sue them, for Slander. You will find you might get quite far with that too. I hope you do so.
Steven, they can and will defend any action of defamation with privilidge unless you can PROOVE vindictiveness against you. (Can’t think of the exact wording) It’s the same defence that a traffic cp uses when he pulls you up. You may be able to show he is wrong, But provided he (the cop) can show he had resonable cause thet is the end of the matter.
all these departments look after each other.