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Fri 5th May 2006

A new Change

Filed under: General — Julie @ 10:19 pm

This is directed at those that post and comment.

Well, you know me and more than most people I will meet. (Funnny how a blog site is different than a vocal conversation).

Anyhow, now I am being held accountable.

Thanks to Starrs comment, i have been e-mailed about things that are of value to womenz.org.nz, which i don’t mind for i am, and is my deed, for women as well as men.

Anyhow, you could say that the powers that be, have come after me. (Outside the womens movement) This is not an insult to men. But I have been and am how I am. (A woman)

I guess the new Parents Act and Guardianship Act is not new to most of you but is new to me. Well the Custodian Act is wiped, so I hear. You Men now have a better deal.

All I can say is well done. For all your work I can see the changes. But damn the female and male issues. Why can’t we be just people? This seriously is the time to speak up about your stories because I am being reminded about statistics . Please play the game, even if it is uncomfortable for if you don’t this will be overturned.

29 Responses to “A new Change”

  1. julie says:

    To Stephen, Al D Rado, Johnp, Peter, Jim and PaulC.
    I asked (please) what the f.. is going on here. I am being told I am being one sided. Do you know how stupid I look when you know the changes are already happening and yet you don’t post them. Or am I the stupid one for not listening to others? Hey, I don’t blame you for only caring for yourselves but if I am a being a fool please have the courtesy to bring it to my attention.

  2. paulc says:

    Dear Julie,

    I am a little vague as to what exactly you are seeking or why I am highlighted in yor comment here.
    Am I irate at the Family Kangaroo Court? Yes
    Has real change been effected with changes in legislature? No
    I do not predominantly care for myself but for my childrens welfare, and the plight of others who inadvertently get ensnared into this State abuse of our children funded by greed and megalomania.
    After my unsuccessful suicide in October 2004 I avowed that I would use dedicate myself in an attempt to redirect others from tracing my footsteps to the point I was at, I have committed myself to that self promise.
    I am willing to discuss with you any aspect of what I have so far endured, been witness or have irrefutable knowledge of, into the tortuous practices of Family Law and the parasitic agencies.

    Kind Regards
    Paul

  3. Al D Rado says:

    Yes, Julie, law changes came into effect last July.
    The child is no longer of ‘best interests’, the child is now of the ‘paramount’ importance.

    My case went through last September.
    Forget the old ‘real risk’ benchmark.
    Now it is ‘any risk’.

    I was adjudged ‘a risk’.
    And so sentenced to fifteen years supervision.

    I ws adjudged ‘low’ risk be every independent professional I dealt with.

    Except the Court.
    “If [you] are never likely to abuse [your children], then I am cognisant that a gross injustice is being committed”, the judge said.

    But that’s what “paramount” does.

    I will post more details about my case soon, but (and if you have learned nothing from me, then learn this) I will always cover myself.

    The Sisterhood has eyes everywhere.

    I will not publish what I still intend to use in court.
    I cannot publish everything here.
    I cannot publish too much court details – that is contempt of court, because this isn’t a circle of friends, it is a publication.
    And Family Court material is automatically surpressed.
    So I am very careful.

    Back to your points.

    The child is of “paramount” importance.
    Paramount means above all else.
    Paramount means that if something directed for the child is not enacted, the then something serious, very serious is not being done.

    For example, if it is paramount that you vacinate your child, if the Court orders you vacinate your child, you are seriously neglecting your child, and in contempt of court, if you do not do so.
    You can be jailed, and have your children removed from you.

    That is not only careless, it is reckless.

    In my case, the court ordered two hour supervised contact sessions.
    Paramount.
    Court order isued.

    Six months later, and three requests to my ex, three to Ms Eiseneers, who supervises, including a lawyers letter cc’d to all parties,

    And Cointact is still only 1 and a half hours.

    Picky?
    Or loss of a massive 25% of annual contact?

    Since two hours was adjudged ‘paramount’, are not my children being seriously ABUSED by a complete inability to effect Court Ordered – legally binding – Contact?

    Yes the laws have changed, and for me at least, they have not made an iota of difference.

  4. Al D Rado says:

    Lastly Julie (and this is helpful advice, not criticism),
    It is up to every one here, their bounden duty, to inform themselves, not to rely on what others simply say.

    From my readings here, the more prolific of us, have returned to the law books, case law, expert publications and studies, to arm ourselves.

    I have some 5-6000 printed pages, a hundred or more books, various relevent studies (to my situation), hundred’s of case law, and all relevent law books.

    I have saved copies of electronic news articles, and many paper ones too, although I’ve gone off paper, in this modern electronic age.

    I was a scout once.

    “Be Prepared”.

  5. julie says:

    Am I getting inside information here or something. God, I hope not because the law society is reading this site. No, they have changed again from April this year.

  6. Peter Burns says:

    Hi julie
    The people who tell you are being one sided should jump into the clothes of a falsely accused dad in the family court brothel .I can assure you the corruption & prejudice you will experience is beyond belief without any balance and dignity, however the brothel’s weasels will always condemn us as they got a gravy train to protect.Its all about money as these scum don’t adhere to the truth,they are told to destroy dad and view the children and litigation as a huge cash cow.

  7. julie says:

    Peter,
    I am starting to wonder what the hell I have got myself into. But I will fight for equality for it is the absolute right of every human being. I just need to know that the people on this site are being real. I am so sorry for doubting that but you must know that pressure does affect people’s judgement. Look, I know dads love their children. Just because you are male does not mean that you are any different from me. And I 100% and more love my children. Not only will I die for them but I will live for them. And even for their offspring.

  8. Stephen says:

    Hello Julie,
    The 5 postings after yours say just about everything that’s wrong with the NaZziland femily caught. They complete a harrowingly accurate synopsis IMO.
    The other thing of immense importance to add is that these ‘courts’ are routinely held in secret, for unlike the district courts THEY DO NOT ACCEPT PUBLIC SCRUTINY.
    They are starchambers.
    Somewhat like the ‘courts’ the German nazzis set up in the early 1930s and those set up by Chinese Maoists and Russian Stalinists.
    They hide behind walls of secrecy by insisting such secrecy is ‘in the child’s best interest’.

    Like the witchunts of Salem hundreds of years ago they use unproven innuendo to convict.
    They are the modern day ducking stools,
    the Guantamo Bay of fathering.
    Those of us good Dads who’ve been shafted within such secret ‘courts’ know this is the lie which insults our intelligence and robs our kids of the fathering they need and deserve.

    I too took a personal vow. That instead of drugging myself to quell the dreadful pain and bury the aweful memories of what NZ has done to my son and I (and countless innocent children) – instead of being depressed and contemplating suicide – that I would remain clearheaded and focussed, and relentlessly outspoken in support of getting rid of this modern day evil.

    Mark my words –

    In the Western Anglophile world in years to come we will speak solemnly and ashamedly of the lost generation of children – those who were stupidly subjected by the feminist inspired state to fatherlessness.

  9. julie says:

    PaulC,

    I am glad you were unsuccessful at your suicide attempt.

    Stephen,

    Yesterday, a male wanted to donate money to my organisation. He said, “I donate to the women’s refuge” I said, “Well donate to the men’s refuge.”

    I personally know women that are violent and in most cases they are with men that are also violent. I know men that are violent and they are with women that are violent.

    But before they find their rightful place they mix with people that do not fight and hurt them. In the end, they will get what they give. (So I believe)

    My question is, “Where do you stand in all this. I mean, you are not at the very beginning, but not at the end. So do you have an idea how far along the men’s movement is?”

  10. stephen says:

    Julie,
    Good question.
    How far do you think the men’s movement has come?

  11. julie says:

    Stephen,
    I am going to come back with the answer to your question. Well, my answer. I just need to think about it for awhile. (hours)

  12. Stephen says:

    Julie,
    This may help answer the question ‘how far the men’s movement has come’ –

    What Are Men’s Issues?

    Men’s issues are as valid as women’s issues, but until recently they have received little attention
    from the media or public policy. This brochure is intended as an introduction to men’s issues,
    which are part of the broader men’s movement.
    First of all, it is important to realize that most people in the men’s movement aren’t interested in
    pushing women into subservience. While their approaches may vary, most men’s advocates are
    interested in addressing the disparities that have increasingly affected men and boys in (mostly)
    Western nations since the late 1960s. This is an essential part of achieving gender fairness for
    both sexes.
    Second, the men’s movement is not just a concern of white men. Men’s issues affect all men and
    boys, regardless of race, ethnicity, nationality, or socioeconomic status.
    The men’s movement exists because men and boys are at a disadvantage in several important
    areas in today’s politically correct social structure. Laws and conventions originally intended to
    encourage equal rights for women have evolved into special privileges without responsibility for
    women and an elevated status for women only. This is taking place against a backdrop of
    misandry (hatred of men) in society. The result has been serious harm to many areas of society,
    such as family structure, education, and social services programs. Ironically, this has ultimately
    had a negative impact on women in general – and children in particular.
    While this brochure cannot list all of the issues affecting men and boys, it does provide a
    summary of the most visible ones. These issues are:
    · Divorce and Child Custody
    · Domestic Violence against Men
    · Media Representation of Men
    · Workplace Issues for Men
    · Men’s Health and Safety
    · Education
    · Other issues: Male only selective service, unequal sentencing, false accusations, and
    double standards against men
    Note: While many of the examples and statistics in this brochure are from the United States, the
    same concepts apply throughout much of the Western world.
    Divorce/Child Custody
    With roughly 50% of marriages ending in divorce, and most child custody decisions going in
    favor of mothers, many men find themselves deprived of their children while making large
    support payments to an ex-wife who may be turning their children against them. The family
    court system is in itself adversarial, and makes an “amicable divorce” unlikely. In far too many
    cases, this has led fathers to become unemployed, bankrupt, imprisoned, homeless, and even
    suicidal. Meanwhile, children from fatherless homes are more likely to abuse illicit drugs or
    alcohol, become pregnant as teenagers, drop out of school, commit crimes, and go to jail.
    Children benefit most when both parents are equally involved in their lives, and public policy
    should reflect this by adopting a presumption of shared custody.
    Related issues: Reproductive rights for men are very limited compared to what women enjoy.
    For example, a woman can abort her unborn child without any input from the father.
    Alternatively, she can give birth to a child and force the father to pay child support for at least 18
    years. Paternity fraud occurs when a man is forced to pay support for a child that isn’t even his.
    Studies of DNA tests show that this is the case from 20 — 30% of the time. Many men’s
    advocates are in favor of choice for men, which would give men the right to joint custody of their
    child, or the ability to sign away all rights and responsibilities regarding the child.
    Domestic Violence against Men
    Domestic violence is a serious issue that affects both men and women. However – for reasons
    of funding – public policy has traditionally concentrated on those cases where women are
    victims and men are abusers. Many people are concerned about the lack of attention given to
    male victims. Here are some facts to consider:
    · According to a recent CDC survey, 1.5 million American women are severely assaulted
    by their “intimate partners” each year. It is less known that 835,000 men are also severely
    assaulted annually by intimate partners, representing some 36% of the total. (Note: the
    methodology of this survey has been criticized by men’s advocates as flawed, however
    this is still a significant finding).
    · Women and men assault each other with roughly equal frequency. This would make the
    difference in the above figures even closer to parity. However, women are somewhat
    more likely to be injured, and are more likely to report injuries to police. (It should be
    noted that there is no standard definition of an “injury”).
    · Women often compensate for their smaller size by using weapons such as knives, guns,
    baseball bats, and fireplace pokers. One study found that 86% of female-on-male violence
    involved weapons, contrasted with 25% in cases of male-on-female violence.
    · Men are usually reluctant to call the police in a domestic dispute for fear of ridicule.
    Also, police will often arrest the man even when it is the woman who committed the
    assault.
    · Many women’s shelters exist in the United States and other Western nations, but there are
    very few shelters for men.
    · Child abuse, a related issue, is committed by women more often than men (and even less
    often by a biological father).
    Domestic violence hurts us all, either directly or indirectly. While it is important to maintain
    assistance to women-victims, proportionate aid should also be given to male victims. Rational
    laws and public policy would help in achieving this goal.
    Media Representation of Men
    Media bias against men generally falls into two categories: errors of commission and errors of
    omission.
    Such errors of commission are common in the mass media (TV, radio, newspapers, magazines,
    books, movies, and the internet). TV is perhaps the worst offender in this category. Men are
    routinely portrayed as boorish and inadequate at best; violent and perverted at worst. TV sitcoms
    commonly feature pathetic and uncouth men who are constantly in need of rescue by their
    “superior” girlfriends, wives, or female relatives. It is also “acceptable” for women to kick,
    punch and slap men in these programs. Even worse, crime shows routinely depict men as
    sexually deviant and murderous. Meanwhile, commercials portray men as idiots, unable to care
    for their children or to understand the function of household appliances.
    Of course, this contempt for men can be found in other media as well. Newspapers and
    magazines commonly print articles written from a feminist perspective. The reader is given the
    impression that women as a group are victims of male oppression, when the reality is far more
    complex and ambiguous. Cartoons often mock men and boys as stereotypes rather than real
    people, while also portraying violence against males as humorous.
    Men’s advocates often ask whether it would be acceptable to substitute “women” or “blacks” for
    “men” in the above situations. Such disrespect wouldn’t be tolerated. Surely men deserve the
    same consideration from the media.
    Errors of omission occur when a male perspective is either omitted or downplayed in the above
    situations. For example, the phrase “women and children” is commonly used when describing
    people affected by a particular crisis. This implies that men are somehow more expendable. The
    phrase “men, women, and children” is much more inclusive. If the media is to achieve a fair
    balance in gender issues, men’s viewpoints should get the same attention as women’s
    viewpoints.
    Workplace Issues for Men
    Preferential hiring and promotion practices for women are common in the modern workplace.
    Affirmative action programs have done little to provide equal opportunity for anyone, while
    giving preference to women who may or may not be the best qualified candidates for given
    positions. The myths of the “glass ceiling” and “pay gap” have been repeatedly debunked, yet
    feminists continue to use them as excuses to demand preferential treatment. Promoting and
    overpaying under performers will eventually result in higher costs to the consumer and lowered
    productivity overall. It must be understood that some professions are more attractive to, and
    better performed by one sex or another. While jobs should be open to anyone, men and women
    both deserve an equal chance to be considered on the basis of performance and ability, not
    gender.
    The issues of sexual harassment and workplace violence have probably done more to harm
    morale and cause distrust among co-workers than they have to uncover improper behavior and
    punish offenders. Men are especially suspect under these relatively recent company and
    government policies, which tend to favor women. An offhand comment or misunderstood
    gesture can now cost a man his job and ruin his career, and, as in other areas like divorce or
    domestic violence, a man has little or no recourse in defending himself. Certainly women should
    have adequate protection in real cases of sexual harassment or intimidation, but this is an issue,
    where employers have gone overboard in implementing policies. A rational, realistic
    consideration of these policies needs to be undertaken – with due process and presumption of
    innocence – as the policies themselves are far too often abused for purposes unintended by
    those who established them.
    Men’s Health and Safety
    Men’s health and safety lags behind that of women’s in several areas. Men are more likely to die
    from heart disease, stroke, cancer, infectious diseases, accidents, suicide, and homicide.
    Consider these statistics for the United States:
    · Males have a higher overall mortality rate than females at all ages (roughly 1.6 times
    greater). This mortality ratio is roughly the same as that between blacks and whites.
    · In particular, males have a suicide rate roughly 4 times that of females — this ratio is 14
    times greater for the elderly over 85.
    · Men represent some 94% of workplace deaths annually as a result of being concentrated
    in the most hazardous professions.
    · Men are 3 times more likely to use illicit drugs, and 2 times more likely to be alcoholic.
    · Men have a life expectancy roughly 6 years less than women.
    · The disparity in longevity is greatest for black and Native American men.
    · In 1920, this difference in life expectancy was only 1 year, which implies that
    improvements in public health have disproportionately benefited women.
    In spite of these disparities in health and safety between men and women, public policy has
    concentrated on women’s health issues at the expense of men’s health. For example:
    · There is an Office of Women’s Health in the U. S. federal government, but no Office of
    Men’s Health.
    · While most funding at the National Institutes of Health is non-gender specific, some 10%
    of this funding is for women’s health, with only 5% given to men’s health.
    · In particular, funding for prostate cancer research receives less than half the funding that
    breast cancer receives, even though both diseases have roughly equal mortality rates.
    Given the interdependent nature of the sexes on health issues, surely it would be beneficial to
    society as a whole if men’s health and safety were taken as seriously as women’s health and
    safety. Greater advocacy, research, and information in this area are much needed.
    Circumcision of infant boys is a related area of concern to men’s advocates. It is now
    questionable whether the benefits of circumcision are worth the risks. As the practice of genital
    mutilation of girls is forbidden, boys should at least get the chance to make a choice for
    themselves, when they are old enough to make an informed decision.
    Education
    Contrary to feminist assertions, a boy in school today is at an automatic disadvantage. As many
    “Women’s Studies” graduates end up in teaching, feminist theory has filtered down to the high
    school and elementary levels. Because feminist ideology requires that boys be educated in the
    same manner as girls, a boy’s natural tendency to be more active and outspoken will always be a
    “problem.” While boys thrive in learning environments that emphasize physically connected
    hands-on activities, they are confined to sitting quietly for hours at a time. Some schools have
    even eliminated recess and any kind of active games.
    Such insensitivity to the learning needs of boys has contributed to the following:
    · Boys are three times as likely to receive a diagnosis of attention-deficit hyperactivity
    disorder as girls. They are also more likely to be drugged as a result of these diagnoses.
    · Boys at all levels are far more likely than girls to be disciplined, suspended, held back, or
    expelled.
    · By high school the typical boy is a year and a half behind the typical girl in reading and
    writing, and is less likely to graduate from high school. This is despite the fact that
    special attention to girls’ needs have eliminated the advantage that boys once enjoyed in
    math and science.
    · Boys are now less likely than girls to go to college.
    This disparity in boys’ educational performance carries through to the college level:
    · Males now represent only 43% of university students (and the Department of Education
    predicts that this gap will continue to widen).
    · Among black university students, only 33% are male.
    · Men who enter college or university are less likely to graduate from college or go to
    graduate school.
    Part of this difference may be due to the fact that the less than friendly school environment that
    boys face becomes a hostile environment for young men when they enter college. Some
    instructors feel free to make disparaging remarks about men in class, while campus newspapers
    routinely carry articles with an anti-male bias. Consequently, some young men may leave
    college, rather than stay in an environment where they feel devalued or even despised.
    Title IX is a related educational issue which started out as an attempt to guarantee equal
    opportunity for women in athletics. This has evolved into a system of rigid proportionality
    between sports participation and enrollment for women. As female enrollment has increased,
    institutions of higher education are required to increase the proportion of female sports
    participation in order to meet their required target. This has resulted in many athletic programs
    for men being cut, while it is questionable that women even want the levels of participation in
    sports that are required. As with other gender issues, differences in participation rates should
    reflect individual interests and abilities, rather than an arbitrary quota system.
    School violence has been an area of particular concern for boys. Unfortunately, recent school
    shootings have been carried out mostly by boys, resulting in violence prevention material that
    targets boys in particular. Overly repressive zero-tolerance policies have probably stigmatized
    many innocent boys unnecessarily far more than they have helped to prevent violence. While
    schools should take reasonable precautions against school violence, it would be better if the root
    causes were also addressed (e.g. bullying and anti-male attitudes by teachers and administrators).
    Other issues
    While the six above issues are the most prominent, there are others that deserve mention as well.
    Some of these are briefly described below.
    Male-only selective service registration is mandatory for young men between 18 and 25. Failure
    to register is a felony punishable by a fine of up to $250,000, imprisonment for up to five years,
    or both. Furthermore, if a man fails to register, he can be denied certain benefits such as student
    financial aid and government employment. At times of war or national emergency, the draft can
    be reinstated by Congress and the President. Such military conscription, while perhaps necessary
    for national security, is a prime example of men being required to take a disproportionate risk of
    injury or death.
    Unequal sentencing for men is the rule in the criminal justice system. Men are more likely to be
    imprisoned (and are given significantly longer sentences) than women for the same crime. The
    death penalty is imposed almost exclusively on men. One study showed that for a conviction of
    first degree murder, a man is about 20 times as likely as a woman to receive the death penalty.
    While in prison, a man may be subjected to rape and other forms of assault – a phenomena that,
    unlike with women, is tolerated by prison officials and laughed at by late-night talk show hosts.
    Two other common themes in men’s issues are false accusations and double standards against
    men. False accusations of domestic violence or child abuse may result in a man losing custody of
    his children, while a false charge of sexual harassment or discrimination may result in him losing
    his job. Even worse, a false accusation of sexual assault may result in an innocent man being
    imprisoned – women are generally not punished for making such false accusations. Various
    studies have shown that 40 — 50% of accusations of sexual assault are false. Meanwhile, double
    standards against men are also common. For example, the media often praises female-only
    sports clubs as “progressive,” while deriding private male-only clubs as “sexist.” Similarly,
    unmarried women are often described as “strong and independent,” while unmarried men are
    disdained as “immature” and having a “fear of commitment.”
    Conclusion
    As society began to value women more, and feminism became ever more exclusive and elitist,
    men became devalued. This is morally wrong. There is no valid excuse for valuing one sex over
    the other. It is also wrong to attempt to build women up by tearing men down. Anti-male bias
    ultimately harms everyone, as the men who are ridiculed in the media and cheated in family court
    are someone’s father, brother, husband, or son.
    It is time that society recognized that feminism (particularly the “gender” and “radical” variety) is
    a social experiment that failed. It should be replaced by a movement that fairly balances rights
    and responsibilities for both men and women — one that values the complementary nature of the
    sexes rather than pitting one against the other. Only then can society be on a path to true gender
    fairness.
    What you can do for men’s issues
    Contact the media: Write to your newspaper, magazine, radio/TV station or Internet service
    provider expressing your concern at the lack of sensitivity toward men’s issues in the media. Or
    call in to a talk radio show.
    Confront people engaging in anti-male bias: In the most tactful manner possible, of course. Let
    people know of the harm that such bias causes, and that you would like them to stop.
    Boycott companies that use anti-male advertising: Write to companies that promote their
    products by disparaging men or boys. Let them know that you will boycott their products and
    services until they cease this practice.
    Contact your politician: Let your politician know your concern about men’s issues, and that your
    vote and support may depend on their position on these issues. Join a political group or caucus,
    if one is available in your area.
    Join or form a local men’s group: This is a great way to meet others in your area who are
    interested in the men’s movement.
    Get better informed: The following contacts, resources, and books are a good start.
    Contacts and Resources
    Desert Light Journal
    http://www.desertlightjournal.homestead.com/
    Men’s Issues Online
    http://groups.yahoo.com/group/MensIssuesOnline
    Mensactivism.org
    http://www.mensactivism.org
    Men’s News Daily
    http://www.mensnewsdaily.com
    MaleDepression.com
    http://www.maledepression.com
    National Coalition of Free Men
    http://www.ncfm.org
    National Congress for Fathers and Children
    http://www.ncfc.net
    Stop Abuse for Everyone
    http://www.safe4all.org
    Domestic Violence against Men
    http://www.dvmen.org
    Men’s Health Network
    http://www.menshealthnetwork.org/
    Suggested Reading
    Baumli, Francis. Men Freeing Men: Exploding the myth of the traditional male
    (St. Louis: New Atlantis Press, 1985).
    Farrell, Warren. The Myth of Male Power (New York: Berkley Books, 1993).
    Farrell, Warren. Women Can’t Hear what Men Don’t Say: The myths that divide couples and
    poison love (New York: Tarcher/Putnam, 1999).
    Goldberg, Herb. The Hazards of Being Male: Surviving the myth of masculine privilege (New
    York: New American Library, 1976).
    Hoff-Sommers, Christina. The War against Boys: How misguided feminism is harming our
    young men (New York: Simon & Schuster, 2000).
    Hoff-Sommers, Christina. Who Stole Feminism: How women have betrayed women (New York:
    Simon & Schuster, 1994).
    Nathanson, Paul and Young, Katherine K. Spreading Misandry: The teaching of contempt for
    men in popular culture (Montreal: McGill-Queens University Press, 2001).
    Adapted from “What is the Men’s Movement” by Trudy W. Schuett.

  13. julie says:

    Stephen,
    Thank you for explaining all that. For the websites and books. I don’t know what else to say. What you have given is more than I had expected but appreciated.

  14. Moose says:

    After reading the brochure I can’t help but feel that my intuition was correct : Because I am a Man, I am sub-human and scum.

    Maybe if I had a sex change I too could enjoy the benefits of being a woman…

  15. julie says:

    Moose,
    No-one is sub-human or scum. Don’t allow the negative to become your self-talk. If you believe that you are only half a person then you will become only half a person.
    Look throughout history for changes. That’s what is going to happen just like the last decades alone.
    This is really positive stuff. And the areas that need change are pointed out. (As well as heaps more)

    Moose,

    You are man.
    You are made in God’s perfect image.
    It is your God given right to be the best that you can be.
    There is not one fault with God’s creations.
    The only faults here are what man or woman has created.

  16. Al D Rado says:

    And if all else fails, we can promote woman-assaults-male violence, hhhmm – perhaps a doll marketted to woman, to normalise woman-assault-male violence …

    Have men come far at all?

  17. julie says:

    On another note I have realised that there is no way the law has changed this April. Just found a link to what bills are infront of parliament at the moment.
    http://www.publications.clerk.parliament.govt.nz.clients.intergen.net.nz/Attachments/ProgressOfBills.pdf
    I know I am slow to figure all this out but I will continue learning and as the saying goes, education makes power.

    Also, from reading these ‘Desert Light Journals’ I can see that the feminist’s gained their power by numbers (even though they were sometimes or often fabricated)

    Stephen,

    As for how far the men’s movement has come. Well, it will go as fast as the numbers and has increased through numbers. Numbers of men finding out they are not alone and numbers of men speaking out. I reckon it has progressed slowly from the beginning because of distance (seperation from countries and towns) but I think technology has progressed it as men are getting together through the internet. On a scale of 1-10 i would say 3 because of the research that has been done. Also I say 3 because there is a cultural shift from male’s being Rambo’s to being real. The rest will come from pressuring government changes and after that which will be half way (5), the changes need to be implemented.

  18. Stephen says:

    I personally wouldn’t like to quantify how far the men’s movement has progressed. In light of hundreds of thousands of state sponsored fatherless kids in NZ and elswhere, and you might argue the millions who never made it to birth because they were aborted, I find it difficult to put a figure to progress to date.
    I’m simply pleased that netizens are spreading news of the issues that confront men.
    On that note please feel free to disemminate the writing I posted on this thread.

    I notice some 700 or so folks visit this site each day so word is spreading of men’s activism.
    No doubt some of those who visit do so to see what the men’s rights bunch – thier chosen ‘enemy’, is up to.

  19. julie says:

    Stephen

    I do understand the numbers may not be the right thing to use. However what you have written is fantastic. I will disemminate the writing you have posted.

    What I would like to know is, “Can I get hold of this brochure and if so, where? It not does it have copyright.”

  20. Stephen says:

    Julie,
    I got this sent to me a long while ago and hung onto it.
    Try Googling Trudy W Schuett.

    I sent it to show that there are a few women who are very well informed and sympathetic to men’s issues.

  21. alfred c. says:

    my gawd what a lot of sadd ass feel sorry for me blokes.. why the fuck do you breed with moles that so called do all that shit and if you did dont you think that you should just fight it like a man for the sake of your kids. you know every think you do in the family court is proof to your kids that you did the best that you could..thats all they want know..is that you tried..so grow up

  22. julie says:

    Alfred c.

    I don’t get what you are actually saying. I hope you are not saying that I should allow a corrupt system to tell me “hey you, forget about your children?”

    If that’s what you did. Then you have to live with your decision. For me, I don’t give up that easy and had already considered whether I could live with myself later on in life when my children and grand children are in big trouble. The system failed big time in my case and lucky for them I was there to pick up the pieces.

    Since you are commenting on this site it would be worthwhile to look into what is really going on here. Look at both sides.

  23. Stephen says:

    Sorry Alfred,
    We must never allow ourselves to feel sad about our losses, let alone vent our feelings in public.
    Oh no, that wouldn’t do at all!

    Stiff upper lip there ‘ol boy!

    Cheerio.

    Tootle pip ‘ol sport!

    Or to put in American vernacular –

    Don’t feel ya big pussies!
    Outahere.
    Later.

    What a crock of shit attitude that is to display towards suffering brothers!!

    A suggestion for you Alfred – lead, follow, or get out of the way.

  24. Stephen says:

    Alfred,
    No, I don’t consider myself a big shot. But I do consider encouraging men to bury thier feelings a really bad thing to do.
    People don’t hear what men don’t say, then men wonder why thier issues get overlooked!
    Go figure bro.

  25. Good post, I look forward to the rest

  26. julie says:

    I remember writing this. Wow! That was some time ago and a bit embarrassing to look back on but I love the reminder of what was contributed on comment 12.

    I don’t know what you searched for to find it but I am glad you did. 🙂

  27. SicKofNZ says:

    matt-nathanson-fan isn’t a real person Julie. It’s an advertising bot.

  28. julie says:

    matt-nathanson-fan isn’t a real person Julie. It’s an advertising bot.

    Thanks SickofNZ. I did look up his site. I thought it could be real but then again …. I have noticed some strange things going on. I wonder how they choose the threads.

  29. SicKofNZ says:

    julie says:I wonder how they choose the threads.

    It’s just random I guess, although it is software that chooses the threads to reply to, the message posted and the link from the username to the site that is being advertised. I guess you’re just lucky it picked your thread :p

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