Dyson condems mother****ing sons
This sounds vaugely familiar…
Minister for Senior Citizens Ruth Dyson has condemned New Zealand society for allowing elder sex abuse and other harm of the elderly to flourish nationwide.
Ms Dyson was speaking following reports in Wairarapa and across the country of sons committing forced incest with their elderly mothers.
“There is stigma for the elderly women who are victims but nobody should accept being raped. ”
Grey Power national president Graham Stairmand said he was aware of elder sexual abuse through anecdotal and “occasional information”.
The original Wairarapa Times-Age story Sexual abuse by family members, says:
Elder abuse, including sexual abuse, is an evil and growing trend.
Sons committing incest with their elderly mothers in Wairarapa are part of a silent and increasing pattern of elder abuse across New Zealand, says Heather Evans, regional elder abuse and neglect prevention co-ordinator.
Ms Evans has worked as a social worker out of Turret House Social Services in Featherston for 14 years and first became aware of the incestuous abuse of an elderly Wairarapa woman about two years ago.
Last year Ms Evans became involved with two other similar cases in the region where dependent and vulnerable women were living with their sons in a “miserable and horrifying marriage of inconvenience”.
In each case the husbands had died sometime earlier, she said.
“The men are all in their late forties, all white, and all struggling to find work. Two have never married and one has divorced and returned to the family home.
Besides one of the men, known to mental health, and one woman “on the fringes of dementia” the other sons and their mothers seemed of sound mind and intellect, she said.
One of the women was almost 80 years of age and the other two are older again, she said.
“If I know of three cases, how many are out there going completely unreported. There’s a definite increasing pattern emerging here in Wairarapa and across the country,” she said.
I know! lets employ a whole lot of young would-be counsellors to look for old ladies and help them remember being raped by their sons. Perhaps the government should offer generous compensation.
This sounds like it could be the tip of the iceberg!
None of the cases have been reported to police, Ms Evans said, as each of the women refused to pursue prosecution for fear of their sons being jailed.
Whatever your inclination…this is a sad and unfortunate story.
There is no excuse for this type of behaviour. It should not be viewed as a ‘man’ bashing story. Having been a victim of abuse, it stikes a chord with me.
However, in saying that it is not a reflection of men as a group…it refers to individuals.
I have never been a man hater and have a very loving partner who has helped me work my way through the maze.
It is an unacceptable part of our community…whether the act is undertaken by men or women.
Comment by l bampton — Fri 10th March 2006 @ 10:41 pm
Dysons sexual abuse comments remind me of the “satanic panic” ritual abuse BS that destroyed so many familes. There is no evidence provided just vauge claims that are not backed up with real cases.
Maybe someone had one too many wines when they thought this up.
Comment by Scrap_The_CSA — Fri 10th March 2006 @ 10:45 pm
IF this sort of thing is going on then there is no question about it; it is an evil and should be stopped.
But I wonder why this hasn’t made headline news, as all these allegations against Men (be them true or false) seem to make it to the news at light speed. Which, for this reason sounds to me like another fad area of allegations to be made against us.
Comment by Moose — Fri 10th March 2006 @ 11:01 pm
Whilst this sort of behaviour is totally abhorent, might I ask exactly where Ruth Dyson has obtained her info from? If these events really are happening, why are those aware of them not reporting the matter to the Police. Don’t get me wrong – in no way do I condone this alleged behaviour but who the bloody hell do these women reporting and rattling on about this think we are… they stand up on these public pulpits making all sorts of wild unsubstantiated statements and NO-ONE ever challenges them. Perhaps a male public figure should stand up and make similar allegations about women…… hahaha – would they be either believed or reported? I have just had a gutsful of this crap, why is it always the men that are up to these tricks and even more importantly – WHY DON’T WE CHALLENGE THEM FOR SUPPORTING INFO? Incidentally, I live hundreds of kms away from the scene of the ‘alleged’ crimes.
Comment by JamesW — Fri 10th March 2006 @ 11:15 pm
James – I have asked that very question here many times with no response. Particularly – WHO exactly are these wimmin, and how do thier pathetic statements get promulgated so widely ?
Comment by Moose — Fri 10th March 2006 @ 11:38 pm
So who has any bright ideas about what we can do about it? Sitting on our keyboards like a bunch of whingeing wimps ain’t gonna resolve any of these issues…. although definately not a radical and having never been involved in politics, I’m now at the stage of wanting to do something. But…. big but we have to be very careful to not get aligned with any attitudes or groups that have the slightest non-real-man flavour. That really excludes gays (with whom I have no problem as long as they leave me alone), criminals, greenies (with whom again I have no issue) etc. Any action has to be by real men for real men.
Comment by JamesW — Fri 10th March 2006 @ 11:45 pm
I think that this website contains eveything that needs to known to the general public. It speaks for itself; And we speak through it.
If this site were more widely known and visited by the average kiwi guy then more poeple would become aware of the issues surrounding the topics discussed here.
I believe everybody in NZ is aware of the absolute bias against Men socially and judicially, the Matriarchical feminists ruling our country and filling the prisons with us because we are Men.
They just don’t talk about it, or do anything about it.
But – If enough people are made aware of the gross injustices and the real life stories and consequenses of the cr*p us Men have to deal with, something will have to be done.
We just need a voice, and that voice is forums like this.
We must make this voice be heard.
Comment by Moose — Sat 11th March 2006 @ 12:18 am
So do the ‘owners’ of this domain name have any objection to me putting some slogans on my vehicles… something simple like: ‘Mean Can Speak: http://www.menz.org.nz‘. If 20 vehicles in each main town did this, the site might get seen. Otherwise, people simply won’t go looking for it thru google etc.
Comment by JamesW — Sat 11th March 2006 @ 12:24 am
So Ruth Die son wants to start another hysterical feminist man hunt eh?
Isn’t she a dyke manhater most intelligent folks politely put up with? Rather like a batty old aunty the family hears saying dotty things and just ignores?
I wonder if she’s got seasonal affective disorder?
She does seem unusually morbid even for her.
Is she coming down off P?
Did all this mixing with wrinklies get to her?
Maybe it’s early onset of dementia?
By the way excellent idea about the bumper stickers JamesW.
Only don’t let on to Die son will you?
She may think it’s an encoded signal being driven around encouraging men to hump whoever else we haven’t been alleged by feminazzis to have abused – deaf, mute P.I. dwarf amputees perhaps?
Oh how Ruthless we could be!
Comment by Stephen — Sat 11th March 2006 @ 5:13 am
I’m the ‘owner’. Feel free to advertise all you want.
Comment by JohnP — Sat 11th March 2006 @ 9:04 am
I had more in mind using the side of my vehicles for max exposure. I am almost prepared to spend some serious dosh promoting this website and the bumper stickers sound like a runner although will the women in our lives allow such a public display of a men’s cause… I think not. Kiwi male has dare I say become somewhat whimpish in this area and it’ll be left to a few of us. As my property has a 200m boundary on a major SH, perhaps a trailer-mounted billboard might even help. Never thort I’d get so pissed off with things that I’d want to promote men’s causes.
Comment by JamesW — Sat 11th March 2006 @ 11:01 am
Despite a variety of opinions that might surface over this article, it has a positive side. This is not allegation by the individual, it is hysteria from a government minister. When I look at the recent release by the Womb and Rights Commission, I sense a degree of panic in the Feminazi camp. They are starting to come undone. What is happening here is that the level of support for these rabid individuals is dwindling fast, and in order to maintain their position, the ring leaders are forced to stand up for themselves. Give other people this website, and let NZ see what is really happening, and make journalists compete for the truth, instead of begging for titbits from the same government ministers.
Comment by Bevan Berg — Sat 11th March 2006 @ 11:27 am
I must be extremely careful here due to the many feminazi spies that lurk in the mist- however with that said – I was a party to a recent converstaion at a local meeting where Ms Dyson’s name came up and it was alleged she had a illegimate daughter living in Westport whom she never makes contact with? I said really ? They said that is not all – cops have visited her home – to talk to her partner about issue’s relating to children in the household. I said really – funny how old skeletons fall out when you open the old door – we all agreed that these rumours cannnot possibly be true from such a person in authority ??? Food for thought eh?? Maybe I should ask her myself ?? Yeah right I don’t like prison !!!!!
Comment by Peter Burns — Sat 11th March 2006 @ 11:28 am
I’d buy some bumper stickers. Hell – I’d buy 500 and put them all over town if I could.
Comment by Moose — Sat 11th March 2006 @ 1:24 pm
Bevan,
Erudite comment IMO.
I agree the the fems are getting pannicky and so resorting to more and more extreme allegations to try and bar good men from thier rightful intimacy with others (women, children, elderly) – intimacy that many women seem to take for granted as thier sole territory.
I’m reminded here of Emille Durkhiem’s classic anthropological studies into what he called anomie – a state of alienation from society with attendant meaninglessness which often leads to suicide. It’s no wonder the male rate of suicide is so high in NZ when the femminazzis seem so helbent on wrecking men’s relationships with women, children and now the elderly.
Going through university I took lots of jobs to keep my student loan down.
I worked in lots of geriatric facilities with very frail people.
These old folks were so old many were bedridden.
It was my job to care for these folks.
I was required to wash them.
All of thier bodies.
Genitals included.
Now unlike Die-son’s sicko fantasy, for which she provides absolutely no proof whatsoever actually exists, I believe I did this service mindful of the need to provide hygeine for these folks in thier last weeks and days.
I believe I did it with a quiet dignity and utter respect for these wonderful people who were hugely dependant upon folks such as myself for comfort in thier twilight moments.
It was also a way for me to broaden my social work knowledge.
To this day it’s something I consider a huge privelige to have served these people because it taught me exactly what to expect in my own old age, and a great deal about having compassion for the frail elderly.
Die-son’s utterly stupid and outrageous gambit will if followed through by femmy lackies lead to THE ELDERLY FRAIL MISSING OUT on having good men such as myself caring for them in thier last days.
I’m angry about this because Die-son’s stupid ideological bent puts the comfort and care of people we should love and provide the best for at risk.
Someone should get Grey Power onto this, and hope in doing so they tear Dyson to shreds (metaphorically speaking). I truly hope there are Politicians with enough spine to take Dyson to task – in effect telling her to put up or shut up.
That’s she’s minister for the elderly just makes this whole tawdry affair all the more disgusting.
What a coldhearted woman she is!!
Hell, why don’t the femministas just round up all the men and put them in a big camp somewhere working to produce things for thier captors?
Oh silly me I forgot that what NZ’s becoming when if you break a feminist law your passport is revoked.
Comment by Stephen — Sat 11th March 2006 @ 3:12 pm
A suggestion.
Don’t just make bumper stickers, branch out into T shirts, sweat shirts, caps, calendars, posters, etc.
Comment by Stephen — Sat 11th March 2006 @ 3:18 pm
I agree & will purchase any merchandise that gets our message ‘out there’ – soon before the feminazi’s destroy all our kids .Shame on the silent media !!!!
Comment by Peter Burns — Sat 11th March 2006 @ 3:29 pm
Yes Bevan,
Shame on the silent media indeed. Goodonya also for offering to purchase any MENZ merchandise.
Thinking about Dyson’s putrid nonesense some more leads me to other conclusions I feel angry about too.
It’s no secret that NZ, alongside many other nations is becoming an aging society.
That means more and more elderly people will require more and more assistance as time goes by. The services they will require stretch from the odd bit of help in the home (visits to do a spot of housework, cut thier hair, tend to household bills etc – through to full blown hospice care for the very old and frail.
This is already a very large part of our economy and will surely be a HUGE market for those who manage to capture it.
Now factor in Ruth Dykeson and her cronies creating another Christchurch Civic Creche hysteria and bingo you get jobs for the girls (home help, social work, nursing) and a lock out for the guys (overlooked for these posts because they’re seen as – a la Air NZ stupidity – a ‘risk’).
Voila, another femmy gravy train created by spreading malicious fearmongering.
Elder abuse I call it.
Shame on Dyson and her ilk.
Comment by Stephen — Sat 11th March 2006 @ 6:16 pm
Your wrong Dykeson, the biggest kept secret in NZ is the abuse experienced by good decent men and their children. The majority of these men suffer in silence. This abuse is initiated by women and sanctioned by the state. Men represented on this site are well in the minority. If Ruth Dykeson took the time to investigate the stories told on this site alone she may be forced into dissonance. But then again perhaps not as people with a political agenda don’t have a conscience.
Comment by triassic — Sat 11th March 2006 @ 8:27 pm
So have missed something here. Have Dykson’s comments been reported in the open press and if not, why not?
Secondly re merchandising….. need to be very careful here. If serious dosh gets spent on publicising the website then some clever govt servant takes the website down in the name of ‘Public Safety’ (it’s happened elsewhere) then all that merchandise is trash. We need to put in place some sort of off-shore domain hosting …. Peter could you possibly email me directly as I may be able to help.
Comment by JamesW — Sun 12th March 2006 @ 11:18 am
Let me get this right:
– if young girl sleeps with man – he’s guilty.
– if young boy sleeps with woman – he wanted it, and it’s mutual real love etc.
– If woman sleeps with father – he’s guilty
– if man sleeps with mother – he’s guilty
I agree! We need a new campaign to get all these elderly women out of the closets, and along to ACC.
$10,000 lump sum payments should about do it. No charges required. No corroberating evidence. Just the word of an elderly woman, dementia-ridden or not.
We should ban all men aged 18 and over from living with their mothers, or being alone with their mothers.
These defenseless frail women, all at least 45 years of age when the whole feminist movement came into being, clearly do not know they are being abused.
My God! what about those elderly fathers being sodomised by their sons! Time to eliminate al male children everywhere, to ensure this problems can never perpetuate itself!
Comment by Al D Rado — Sun 12th March 2006 @ 1:07 pm
By the way: who the %$&)^% would want to to that to their mother?
However, before I acknowledge there are any widespread problems out there, where is the proof, and not just hearsay?(or should that be hersay?)
Comment by Al D Rado — Sun 12th March 2006 @ 3:12 pm
JamesW – I’m not too worried about this site’s continued existance under current laws, provided posters and commenters try and excercise a bit of restraint. Name-calling is seldom effective IMO anyway.
However I am a bit worried about proposed “Hate Speech” legislation, which will be directly aimed at politically incorrect forums like this one – althought the propoganda will naturally attempt to obscure this fact.
If the site does get taken down in NZ, Google will no doubt find the replacement fairly quickly (unless the NZ government follows the Chinese example…)
Comment by JohnP — Mon 13th March 2006 @ 9:15 am
Thanks JohnP. I’d be very willing to put substantial levels of capital into merchandising to publicise the website (obviously with much restraint but to push the actual domain name right into the publics’ memory) but only if the site was 100% secure. It could potentially be very easy for a beaurocrat to determine that the site represented a threat to public safety and take it down. However, if it was hosted offshore then the chances of taking it down would be almost nil. Alternatively, it may be safer to register and host another name offshore for publicity purposes but put a pointer on that to the current site. If the current site did get poofed then replaced, the pointer from the overseas site could be changed. I assume you’d have no objections to that? Regards.
Comment by JamesW — Mon 13th March 2006 @ 9:46 am
Just for the record, I’ve registered kiwibloke.net offshore and set it up to point to this site. The serious promotion of this site will now include http://www.kiwibloke.net which is far safer coz it’s way offshore. OK all? Who wants posters, bumper stickers etc? Send an email to [email protected] and let us know.
Comment by JamesW — Mon 13th March 2006 @ 4:18 pm
In December 2006, this site and it’s predecessors will have survived in NZ for a decade, so I’m not unduly concerned. I host it in NZ because pages will load faster for the majority of users, and because I don’t want to generate unnecessary international bandwidth.
I don’t mind if anyone re-directs another address to MENZ.org.nz, but frame-fowarding (cloaking) is not permitted.
Comment by JohnP — Mon 13th March 2006 @ 9:44 pm
Thanks to all that emailed me directly, in total 27 have said they will take bumper stickers. Will get printing organised, they look like costing about 2c each (50 x 200 size, 3 color) if we get 5000 printed. Will be in touch with those that responded – any further interest to [email protected] please.
Comment by JamesW — Tue 14th March 2006 @ 11:54 pm
I am a son, a brother, and a father. I interviewed Ms Evans. I interviewed Ms Dyson. I interviewed Ms Martin. I interviewed Mr Stairmand.
I wrote the stories.
Dyson was stunned – perhaps with as much disbelief as many men posting here. Her silence was more telling than any utterance she made when the air cleared.
Elder sex abuse – according to an Age Concern report of 1288 elder abuse referrals to their services over two years – made up only two per cent of the reported abuse. This is more than twenty cases. The report was published as a follow story.
The report authors say the compiled cases are “only the tip of the iceberg” that included financial and psychological abuse and neglect perpetrated in most part by sons and daughters, nephews and nieces – the families these men and women raised.
Only the NZ Herald ran the Dyson response – minus the shocked pauses – otherwise the original story was written into an absolute media vacuum.
Not a single other daily to my knowledge ran the original breaking story, the Dyson response that included similar disbelief from Grey Power president Graham Stairmand, or the follow-up Age Concern report and response.
Elder abuse – sexual, financial, psychological, etc – as a point of wider discussion and debate, has sunk from public view almost without a ripple.
Perhaps the social worker lied.
Or perhaps elder abuse is just another silly whisper in the darkness told by greedy women hungry for cash, consumer durables, and commonwealth prestige.
Or perhaps…it is real.
Comment by necrom — Thu 16th March 2006 @ 1:06 am
With due respect, I have spent my life dealing with patients of all ages and in 35 years have probably heard a total of 250 of these ‘abuse’ stories. If you take out the psychotic, the demented and those that have a material argument with their family, you are left with none. I’m afraid that unless these ‘silly wispers’ are acted upon more publically then we have to regard the claims as bovine excrement. It’s easy to make claims (eg: did you know that Elvis was born in Russia to a lion tamer?) but lack of substantive supporting evidence renders them nothing more than heresay. By they way, Elvis was a Yank, but my claim had you wondering didn’t it?!!
Comment by JamesW — Thu 16th March 2006 @ 1:22 am
Media can easily report claims (e.g. a woman abducted a few days ago off a street here in Wellington. How many people read the subsequent article that the woman was later arrested fro perverting the course of justice, a more serious charge than simply laying a false complaint?)
Only the law can determine the truth of those claims.
Surely the only real solution is to determine the truth to these claims, by testing them in a court of law.
Those ‘in the know’ must surely do all they can to pursue justice, and then, overtime we shall find out just how widespread this problem is.
Of course, I am also naive. Such a proposal assumes a fair and just legal system, not one all too prepared to assume all men are guilty of every heiness sexual perversion imaginable (and some I’d rather not), so we don’t end up with more witch hunts, public floggings and presumpions of guilt, because elderly people wouldn’t possibly lie (or otherwise come to believe demented imaginings are fact.
Comment by Al D Rado — Sun 19th March 2006 @ 7:59 am
necrom you say:
No one is suggesting that the elder abuse is not real, and is not a problem.
What we do object to is being collectively bashed with your accusations regarding:
Would you write a sentence like this, based on one uncorroborated case plus a few rumours, but targeting Women? Maori? Moslems?
The fact that you blithely conflate these bogus ‘factoids’ with the genuine phenomena of elder abuse does not increase their credibility one little bit.
Why does your article neglect can even mention the avalanche of false accusations of sexual abuse that are regularly generated by disturbed and suggestible woman with the help of ACC funded counsellors?
This is a standard marketing line, intended to justify ever increasing amounts of funding, despite the fact that no actual evidence (ie: convictions) will be found. Look at the way Satanic/Ritual Abuse Therapy was promoted – the rhetoric is exactly the same.
The iceberg will turn out to be exactly as big as the funding available!
I’m not all surprised that you are not prepared to put your name to this brand of ‘journalism’.
Comment by JohnP — Mon 20th March 2006 @ 2:09 pm
John,
Well said.
I agree necrom’s standard of ‘journalism’ leaves a lot to be desired.
Presumably necrom has his work edited.
In that case shitty editing too.
Kia Kaha.
Comment by Stephen — Mon 20th March 2006 @ 2:19 pm
Necrom,
it is most likely far beyond your reception being a year and a quarter aged, yet I doubt that this reply will beyond the relevence of the issue, where if as you say it was barely recognised, the condition will be worse. Why will it be worse? Will it be worse because the problem hasn’t been crafted into a regime of affective social remedies and cures and if so how is this consistent with the Minister’s comments directly challenging the perpetraters of such horrendouse activity. There should be no doubt that rape is a practice of devastating dysfuntion, more incomprehensible when perpetrated against someone societally our wellbeing demands that we must love.
It would be useful to have an update on the statistics and if the interest is there to define and determine the separations between men and women, their relevant sexual differences as well as natural need, importantly in the light of this sites purpose if to determine how equality can be a function when it demands the disassociation of children from its many complexities by gender agenda.
I thought your comment on the gender of those perpetraters most interesting, where with your experience you separated that disctinction from its obvious importance – and then posing the question of value – why was that?
The point i make is that your contribution stops short of what I think you were trying to achieve and what you complained wasn’t accepted.
So what has happened – has the Minister destabelised the sexual dysfunction of individuals bound to their common demand of sexual function through intergrative social powers such as the legalising of prostitution or have they made better provision for the punitive response through the removal of smaking legislation, so that these guys and gals have no need any more to want to hurt their parents? Certainly we haven’t brought back corporal punishment, and I am not sure if there has been any great punitive advance on any legislation relative to sexual offences and their sentencing. So logically as you seem to complain – has nothing been done (other than no smacking). I find this suprising where last year apparently parliament business was at an all time low with the order paper more than half empty than conversley over half full.
So without your or other professional response from within the pages of those bureaucrats who scour the national bowels of the deadbeats, I figure Bevan’s assumptions above are pretty much on the mark. Don’t you think?
Comment by Benjamin Easton — Thu 12th July 2007 @ 2:19 pm