The Worm Has Turned – Peter Dunne Sides With Nats
Its official a vote for United Failure is a vote for National. National has one view on Child Tax, lets get more draconian.All dads are deadbeats in the eyes of Judge Judy (Judith Collins) and we should be punished and United Failure will support this.
So guys if you want to be stopped at the border by Tax Officials and pay a truckload more Child Tax and have less time with your kids vote for National and their lackey United Failure.
You have a choice on election night and as it stands National and United Failure are a very dangerous option that will get votes from gullible men who need to look beyond pious platitudes and remember what has, or more importantly, has not been delivered.
To be frank if you support them you deserve what you get. Time for change guys vote-wise in 2008 and remember don’t flush your vote down the Dunney
Regards
Scrap
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There are some good points here guys and, John, you made some well thought out comments about each contender.
I would also like to point out a couple of things for those that are undecided. Firstly, a vote for RONZ is not going to make this country a Republic. Being a republic is a means to an end – it won’t happen over night, but it will happen. When this country is ready.
By voting for the RONZ to get us over the 5% threshold or to get one of our candidates an electorate we will have a voice and influence. Once we achieve that the Men’s movement groups and the problems with Child Support and the Family court will be recognised, not just swept under the carpet. It’s that recognition that we all seek.
Let me be frank – the men is this country are being screwed over. I’ll say it again, the men is this country are being screwed over. If you are looking for somebody to make a stand, somebody to take this country in the right direction or at the very least have the government listen – here I am. I am standing up and saying I have had enough of this shit and I intend doing something about it. The RONZ has given me that opportunity and now I can proudly say that WE as the Republic of New Zealand Party are standing up and saying “We have had enough of this!”.
We are ready, we have the policies, we have the will. We have the youth and the experience and those that support us are very knowledgeable in their respective areas. Give us the recognition needed in Parliament and we’ll give you the recognition needed in the real world with real problems. I wonder how many of the MP’s have gone through the crap we are going through? I wonder how many of them are paying Child Support and have been screwed by the Family court? I wonder how many of them have lost a Child? I wonder how many of them have been so ripped off by the legislation that they can’t even afford to fight to get their child/ren back? I HAVE experienced these things and the members of the RONZ have experienced these things and our supporters have experienced these things and YOU have experienced these things!
Our main problems are:
CHILD SUPPORT
THE FAMILY COURT
CYFS
The legislation with the above needs reform.
We need:
A MINISTRY FOR MEN’S AFFAIRS
BINDING NATIONAL REFERENDUM
GENDER EQUALITY
Vote Wise, Vote Republican!
A reminder to all,
Dont forget to vote tommrow. Remember the men who fought and died to ensure we had a right to argue about who to vote for and that we could vote.Our system is far from perfect but at least we have the chance of changing it.Democracy may be flawed but its bloody sight better than the other choices. Cast your vote wisely,
Regards
Scrap
My father didn’t fight for the rights of idiots like Peter Dunne to run this country that’s for sure.
Rosie, I know Peter Dunne, and he is no idiot.
There is some interesting stuff in his party’s family policy.
Can you name any party with any hope of having any MPs elected that can do better than this?
Kind regards
Darryl
From: http://www.unitedfuture.org.nz/default,894,family.sm
UnitedFuture will:
* Amend the Care of Children Act to make explicit the presumption of shared care when determining the care arrangements for children when parents separate. This would be predicated on the assumption that both parents are competent, and that it is in the child’s best interest to continue to have regular contact with both parents after divorce or separation.
* Support all moves to introduce mediation services into the system to reduce the need for lawyers and judges when settling disputes.
* Hold a full review of the Family Court system with a view to make it less adversarial and legalistic, and stop delays.
* Allow for DNA paternity testing to determine parentage when a person is unsure whether they are the biological father
If you know Peter Dunne so well Darryl then perhaps you should tell him that if he wants people to respect him he should get out there in the streets and talk to the REAL people.Another thing you could tell him Darryl is that people would warm more towards him if he showed them that he did have a heart.
I did not say that I know him extremely well, but I do know him well enough to know that he is no idiot.
Kind regards
Darryl
P.S. – If you have a message for him, you can always write to him.
P.S. – I would have more respect for you if you had the courage to use your real name when insulting people.
I’m not sure that making disparaging comments about a politician is quite the same as “insulting people”. An insult I think has to be conveyed to the person, and it’s most unlikely that Dunne will read MENZ as he has not shown a blind bit of interest in men’s and fathers’ issues but instead has brought about a law to deny normal freedom of movement to alleged child tax defaulters. Repeating the hollow UF policies after they have been extensively critiqued in this thread already will do nothing to increase their credibility.
As it turned out, the Bill and Ben Party received almost 11,000 votes around the country, beating half the other parties who stood. The Republic of NZ Party was at the very bottom of the list although it received some votes in every electorate except two of the Maori seats. We are on the radar and a lot more people know our agenda now. The next election campaign starts yesterday and we will improve our showing if I have anything to do with it. We will continue mainly to champion the causes relevant to men and fathers despite an absence of support or even courtesy from some within the men’s movement. Thanks heaps to those who gave their support.
Darryl
People don’t have to say a word about Peter Dunne.They just have to sit back and watch him make a fool of himself time and time again.
He’s known as the man who leaps from one bed to the other.
Twice recently I have been with groups of people who were discussing politicians and when Peters name was mentioned,I saw the smile on peoples faces.
He lacks the skills of communicating with the public which saw his party go from 8 seats in 2002 to 1 seat now.
I have written to him on many occasions and received his pompous replies.
He reminds me of a doctor who has got no bedside manner.
He may have an impressive CV but unfortunately,he’s got no common sense.
Rosie:
United Future has never made any secret about the fact that it is a centrist party that can support either a centre-left or centre-right government and can be a moderating influence on either.
That is not leaping from one bed to another, that is MMP in action.
Your anonymous friends may smirk all they like.
How many of them have been in parliament for over 24 years?
You don’t get to hold onto a constituency seat if you lack common sense.
Kind regards
Darryl
Hi Hans
It is not very fair to claim that Peter Dunne “… has not shown a blind bit of interest in men’s and fathers’ issues”. Can you name ANYBODY else in parliament who will promote the following?
From: http://www.unitedfuture.org.nz/default,894,family.sm
* Amend the Care of Children Act to make explicit the presumption of shared care when determining the care arrangements for children when parents separate. This would be predicated on the assumption that both parents are competent, and that it is in the child’s best interest to continue to have regular contact with both parents after divorce or separation.
* Support all moves to introduce mediation services into the system to reduce the need for lawyers and judges when settling disputes.
* Hold a full review of the Family Court system with a view to make it less adversarial and legalistic, and stop delays.
* Allow for DNA paternity testing to determine parentage when a person is unsure whether they are the biological father
Kind regards
Darryl
Darryl,
Your analysis of Dunne’s Party political position is somewhat skewed. Reality is Dunne was a waka jumper who now sells his vote for Ministerial Posts. Thats not MMP its pension and perk planning!
It was good to see that his electorate majority has been reduced to a mere 1200 three years time and implementing his National Masters policies will see him struggling to keep his seat.
Regards
Scrap
Darryl,
Re:61 Its a Tui ad.
What did they actually legislatively deliver?
More draconian child tax springs to my mind.
Anti smacking bill springs to mind
Those are some of the legislative changes Dunne drove through or supported.
Regards
Scrap
Actually, Peter Dunne qualified for his parliamentary pension no later than 1993. That was three years before the first MMP election.
Peter Dune has worked well with a National led government before, from 1996 to 1999, and he is not ‘waka jumping’, but fulfilling the role of a centrist under MMP, which is to bring stability and moderate influence to a coalition government.
I have campaigned for fathers’ issues for almost 20 years, and only two significant political parties have ever paid attention to fathers’ issues: ACT (when it had Muriel Newman) and United Future, so I fail to understand by republicans are singling him out instead of others.
Is he perhaps perceived to be a threat to your aspirations?
Kind regards
Darryl
Re 63, UF did not support the anti smacking legislation. It was treated as a conscience vote, and 2/3 UF MPs opposed it.
As for what they delivered from the list I posted, that is from their manifesto, but who could blame them if they shunted it down the priority list, given the lack of appreciation that some in the movement (at least on this list) have been showing them.
I still fail to understand why the republicans are singling out Peter Dunne instead of targetting all pollies.
Is he perhaps preceived to be a threat to your aspirations?
Kind regards
Darryl
Darryl
You said
It is not very fair to claim that Peter Dunne “… has not shown a blind bit of interest in men’s and fathers’ issues”. Can you name ANYBODY else in parliament who will promote the following?
From: http://www.unitedfuture.org.nz/default,894,family.sm
The truth is Peter Dunne used Judy Turner to try to get a few more votes for his party,but that backfired on him when most people saw right through him.
“most peopel (sic) saw right through him” ?
I know Peter Dunne, and I don’t have any issue with his credibility over that of any other politician.
I STILL fail to understand why the republicans are singling out Peter Dunne instead of targetting all pollies.
Is he perhaps preceived to be a threat to your aspirations?
Kind regards
Darryl
The election is over, Rover.
We can constructively and intelligently lobby those in parliament who are in a position to effect positive change, or we can simply p*** them off without achieving anything positive.
Our choice.
Darryl,
No its about reminding people what United Failure delivered and Dunnes political prositution as a more accurate representation than your “Saint Peter” view of his actions.
Do you dispute that Dunne ( Leader of United Failure and the only member left in the house) voted for the anti-smackig legislation.
Do you dispute that he and his family had lunch paid for by British Tobacco?
You spin is just that and cant change the fact that Dunne spent the last 3 years screwing dads over child tax as a Minister responsible for it..(Something Muriel Newman never did!)
Words are cheap delivery is what matters and they didnt deliver any legislative change that improves fathers positions. He’s had years to do this and has done nothing.
Now hes supporting National.
Regards
Scrap
I am not saying he is ‘perfect’.
Nobody is, and it is so obvious that you are targeting him with all the petty accusations you are making. Why don’t you have a go at National / Labour / NZ First / Green / Progressive / ACT / Maori pollies as well?
Having lunch with someone from a tobacco company? Hardly the crime of the century… and besides, you were smoking tobacco the last time I saw you.
To effect positive change requires building mutually beneficial working relationships with those who are in a position to influence government policy.
If I want to effect change, would I be better off having a good working relationships with the only two political parties in parliament who have ever had fathers’ issues on the agenda or devoting my energies to a small party that may have a few well intentioned members, but has come absolute last in the last two elections?
Let me think about it…
By all means, carry on with building up your party, but please accept that it is pointless to crap on everyone else who is trying to help us.
I should add that those republicans I have met are generally good people who have good intentions, even though I do not agree with republicanism.
My thought for the republicans is this: if you are wondering why you got less than 300 list votes across the country (not counting special votes) and perfomed the worst of any party, you may like to reconsider the wisdom of having an apparent primary focus of the character assasination of one politician.
If it is any consolation, Helen Clark made the same mistake. I am not saying that cost it her the election, but it certainly helped.
Kind regards
Darryl
Darryl,
Good comment, point taken. Although I also have to add that only the greens got over the 5% so New Zealand really wanted a change and we got it. It was an historical election and the next 3 years are going to be very exciting for me, the Party and New Zealand as a whole. We have given Key the key, lets see what he can do with it.
So Dunne, after screwing dads over as head tsar of Child Tax is trying to help us. Your definition of help defies belief!
Wake up Darryl or share what you are smoking!
I am interested moving forward and effecting positive change, not in petty name calling or living in the past.
Such blinkered approaches defy belief.
Onto another matter, you need 500 members to register a political party.
However, I see the republican party only got 298 votes (not counting special votes).
That means one of two things.
Either a significant proprtion of the party’s own members didn’t vote for it, or a significant proportion of its membership is either invalid or expired.
Which?
Kind regards
Darryl
The answer obviuosly is all members didn’t fully back their membership and to ensure riddance of the Clark administration voted in a two horse race.
Kind Regards
Paul Catton
East Auckland Refuge for Men and Families
(09) 271 3020
(Former Secretary – Republic of New Zealand Party)
Thank you Paul, no it is not obvious, and many of us were wondering. (Of course, this is totally incongruent with the view expressed by one leading republican in this thread that it is abhorrent for UF to be supporting a national-led government, but I digress).
Thank you also for having the courage to use your real name.
It would do wonders for the republicans’ credibility if everyone else did likewise.
Kind regards
Darryl
How do we know what your real name is Darryl?
Darryl Dunne would have sounded better
How do you know whether this is my real name?
Many people on this forum know me and have met me over the last 20 years and they all know that I am a real person.
Kind regards
Darryl
Darryl,
Your spinning again. The Facts are that Dunne supports National and National have already idicated their agengda (On the spot protection orders for example.
You continue to slag the Republicans and act as Dunne’s apologist and ignore the facts.
Your assunptions as to votes recivied by the Republicans is valid in only 1 fact 298 Votes. Given that the plan is long term plan is to grow the Kauri thats OK by me. As Hans points out the next campgain has already begun and we are growing the Kauri.
What you feel about the Republicans is in essence irrealavent as it wont stop growing the Kauri over time.
As to comment 79 you somewhat miss the point.
Dunne screwed liable parents and their partners and children and his Party has paid the price. He is politically irrealavent and nutered by his prositution to National.
You can continue to blog as you know my views on free speech (Note 1 comment that personally attacked Rosie was deleted from the thread – also note it was not Darryl!)
Im not going to respond any further to you on this thread as it is Dunne and dusted.
Regards
Scrap
I don’t want to continue this either, as the election is over, but I do feel compelled to state that I am NOBODY’s apologist.
I am not currently aligned with or associated with any political party or movement.
I am just saying what I think based on what I see.
Kind regards
Darryl