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How do you all feel about some sort of a petition for Mr Ferguson; requesting that he receive compensation for the State’s error in convicting and jailing him? At the very least he is entitled to an apology from the Minister of Justice.
Are there any IT experts who could draft up an on-line petition?
Your thoughts are appreciated
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yeah I got this,
Dear Amy, we have collected a thousand signatures from people that believe this man should be compensated and apologised to.
Dear Moma, thank you for your letter, I am unable to comment on individual cases, we are working to make communities safer blah blah fucking blah.
Comment by voices back from the bush — Mon 3rd April 2017 @ 1:26 am
Perhaps MOMA could do a give a little thingy, on that donation site.
If nothing else it would be an interesting test of public reaction and maybe even a few bucks to help celebrate his new found freedom.
Comment by Downunder — Mon 3rd April 2017 @ 6:31 am
If families of war dead can’t get a few bucks out of the State coffers for repatriation, then what chance has a live man who just walked free.
Comment by Downunder — Mon 3rd April 2017 @ 6:36 am
Well nothing is going to happen if we are just cynical all day. I might be surprising the amount of support. Either that or media attention somehow. Any suggestions?
Comment by Miles — Mon 3rd April 2017 @ 7:19 am
I think a petition is a great idea. Hopefully it will get some media attention. At least Chris may feel that he has some support in the community.
Comment by Iamdavo — Mon 3rd April 2017 @ 3:49 pm
We wouldn’t recommend a petition on behalf of this particular man because he has previous convictions for violence and he was convicted and sentenced to imprisonment on unrelated proven charges whilst in prison on remand for these false allegations. That will limit public sympathy for him and it also carries the risk that he will embarrass the petition organizers and supporters by committing some other nasty offence in the middle of it. It also provides ready justification for the state for keeping this particular man in jail.
However, we would support a more general petition calling for victims of false allegations to be provided with trauma therapy and compensation by ACC, and for victims of false allegations that were not adequately investigated by police and prosecutors to be compensated by the state for that injustice and the resulting added trauma.
Comment by Ministry of Men's Affairs — Mon 3rd April 2017 @ 7:27 pm
This sounds like a very sane and reasonable response. Does anyone have the time and skills to draft up some sort of on-line petition?
I personally am too busy in the next 2 weeks but after that will have time.
However does someone have experience at creating something like this? It might be refreshing to find out how much support there is out there-especially amongst women.
The PPTA (secondary teachers’ union) now have a men’s network. It was passed at national conference that a network be created-or at least looked seriously into. It has taken a lot of effort for it to come into fruition. As I understand it this is a first for a union in New Zealand
Comment by Miles 64 — Mon 3rd April 2017 @ 8:27 pm
Miles 64 @7: Wow, good news about the PPTA. We could take bets on how long it will take for the feminists in that female-dominated group to shut down any men’s network.
Comment by Man X Norton — Mon 3rd April 2017 @ 8:36 pm
So creating a mens network was a waste of time and effort?
Comment by Miles — Tue 4th April 2017 @ 6:29 am
Miles @9; We can hope that its not shut down – but there is a pretty consistent record of male positive events and activities being shut down. Semminars, The Red Pill screenings, our men’s summit, protests and an almost flawless record I guess leads most men to a justifiable pessimism . We hope – for sure we hope – but hoping gets nowhere, the cause seems not to progress. While women can break the law, commit vandalism in support of feminism, and in shutting dowm male friendly events – should we resist or raise our voice we become VIOLENT OFFENDERS and the police will notice and act.
Miles, I do get your sentiment clearly, but I also am unable to see males being able to change the status quo – only females have power and influence now – even our {male?} MP’s have no spine for their own gender –
while they and female MP’s actively and enthusiastically support feminist missions and legislation regardless of lacking merit and being totally unjust. Our mothers, wives, partners and sisters; they are not mobilising to ensure their sons collectively get a fair and equal go. With only a few exceptions, Womyn are so dedicated to the belief they can only be victims and us only perpetrators.
Comment by Jerry — Tue 4th April 2017 @ 6:51 am
I have written this letter to the ChCh Press. I don’t expect them to run it, but if so, I’d be especially interested in any feminist group’s response to the challenge to their two percent factoid.
Your article on changes to police handling of sexual abuse accusations (April 3) says that all 47 boxes for changes in police culture have been ticked, and sexual complainants are now treated with dignity. Some dignity for suspects would now be welcome.
Louise Nicholas herself has said that complainants don’t make up rape stories. But they do. Last week in Dunedin a trial was abandoned when a young woman admitted none of her historic accusations were true. Strangely, the judge said the abandonment of the trial was proof that the system works. Not when the falsely accused man spent ten months in jail on remand and has no legal basis for compensation.
The only reason that such cases come so far is that the reasonable “Listen to the complainant” has turned into “Believe the victim.” Any doubts about the veracity of a complainant’s story are glibly dismissed as “rape myths”.
False sexual complaints are much more common than most people realise, but the spokesperson for Rape Crisis Dunedin mentioned the usual figure of 2% – a number just plucked out of the air but repeated as a statement of faith. She also said the tragedy of false accusations is that genuine complainants may not be believed.
No it isn’t; the tragedy is that innocent people have their lives destroyed.
Comment by Pedro1 — Tue 4th April 2017 @ 7:07 am
Yes, I basically agree with everything you say. I frequently write to the Herald, including about Mr Ferguson above. They won’t print it. It is quite disturbing the way things are developing in this country. We need a Politician (Winston Peters?) to raise the issue and point out how ludicrous and hysterical the reaction by some women
Comment by Miles — Tue 4th April 2017 @ 7:07 am
Well if you want to help Chris Ferguson
then write him a letter of moral support, so if someone knows how to get mail to him then put it up and I will be the first to fire off a letter, that way he can keep them and read them on a day he feels in need of support. Pen and paper a powerful acknowledgement.
Comment by Buster — Sat 13th May 2017 @ 7:09 am