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Save The Males

Filed under: General — Downunder @ 12:36 pm Fri 11th November 2005

TV2 – Wed Nov 23- 11:25pm

A local documentary exploring the claims of men’s rights groups that the feminist movement has gone too far. Save The Males is a documentary following men’s rights groups (masculists) who claim New Zealand has become an insidiously anti-male state, and suggesting we need a men’s movement to stand up for the rights of the Kiwi bloke.


  1. I look forward to watching this program. I just hope it doesn’t turn out to be one of those doco’s which just (ultimately) leave people guessing…. And why is it on at such a late time ? Surely it it worthy of prime time viewing ?

    Comment by Moose — Sat 12th November 2005 @ 12:00 am

  2. Every doco I have seen on the issues of Fathers Rights have been bias, as men have historically been portrayed as vexatious litigants by the de family court system . The feminazi controlled media has enjoyed creating a false image of men as violent nutters – In reality the sad male usually a forced respondant client of the de family court is scorned as borderline between the ” sane obsessed ” and those who are deluded and psychotic. I have been called all 3 by the de-family court -yet I am guilty of nothing but loving my lost daughters .Don’t hold your breath on the doco being fair for men !!!!- In solidarity -dad4justice

    Comment by Peter Burns — Sun 13th November 2005 @ 10:24 pm

  3. I am concerned that I have not heard of this, which suggests that none of the main men’s or fathers’ were involved, (as I am certain that all such groups have reached the maturity level at which they would not keep such a project to themselves).

    That suggests that the doco will focus on what I call the “self emasculated eunuch” groups, which kowtow to feminist groups (that still hate them anyway), while dismissing those who have a genuine concern for mwen.

    Comment by Darryl — Tue 15th November 2005 @ 1:53 pm

  4. Hi,

    As the Producer/Director of this doco – I can assure you there is no hidden agenda or ulterior motive. This is men’s rights from the masculist (sane?) point of view!

    I did interview three feminists (for the “other point of view”) and felt they were so PATHETIC that I have not included them.

    I listed some men’s issues to one feminist, then asked her if she thought men should start “their own men’s movement, similar to the women’s movement of the 70s etc”.

    She replied:
    “The ONLY reason men need a men’s movement is to address their violence against women”.

    This would have made great TV – but I decided to spend my precious 22 1/2 minutes outlining and discussing the MEN’s agenda instead. God knows they need the airtime.

    Unfortunately the doco was part of an “innovation” series for TV2. Some the the documentaries produced in this series (apparently) weren’t up to the standard of ‘prime time’. This sadly resulted in ALL of the series being relegated to 11:25pm.

    If you like the doco – email TVNZ and suggest they re-screen it at a more reasonable hour!

    Also, note that this is a “TV2 innovation” doco. I designed the programe to appeal to young people and maintain the attention of the ‘average New Zealander’. I also wanted to reflect the fact that kiwi masculists/men aren’t the “Nazis” that the feminists were.

    I have had a bit of fun with the ‘treatment’ of the doco – but the big issues are all there. And they are sure to cause a stir!

    Hope you enjoy,

    Greg Stubbings

    Comment by Greg Stubbings — Wed 16th November 2005 @ 9:51 am

  5. Greg,

    Thanks for your input – It’s good to have our questions clarified !

    I have some questions for you though..

    What constitutes a documentary being deemed ‘not up to the standard of prime time’ ?

    I hope you don’t have a feminist doco reviewer !

    Please don’t take this the wrong way, but almost all of the programmes concerning this topic seem to present the facts, but never seem to ‘nail home’ the logical, and obvious conclusion, and say what needs to be said.

    I pray your documentary hits home the point we here want to be made.

    I look forward to sending a fair amount of emails to TVNZ to petition for this to be screened at a reasonale hour!

    Comment by Moose — Thu 17th November 2005 @ 12:32 am

  6. Hi again,

    Firstly, in response to Darryl’s post:
    I interviewed several “masculists” for my reasearch – and the doco features Kerry Bevan (Men’s affairs group), Jim Bagnall (Union of Fathers), Mark Bradman (Mensline), Peter Zohrab (author of ‘sex, lies, and feminism), with support from Dr Rob Williams (Menz clinic), Salvi Gargiulo (Headmaster Nelson College) and Cal Greer (Principal Oratia District School).

    I will presume – like most of NZ – you have not been watching the documentaries screening after 11pm on Wednesdays as part of the “TV2 Innovation”? Some docos have been great, some are childlike (in my opinion).

    Like it or not, TV2 (a CrOC) is there to get ratings – ratings means more advertising – more advertising means more money for the Government. So if they think that they would get more ratings from a re-run of “Friends” than an innovative doco … they play the re-run.

    Worst of all, if (say) my doco WAS ‘prime time material’ (ie. would hold it’s own in the ratings) they would argue that a ‘one-off’ doco on the men’s movement at 9:30pm would mean nothing. To ‘build ratings’ (and convince advertisers that they have a market) they need a successful SERIES that brings people back to the same timeslot each week.

    I’m a realist – true BBC-styled “public broadcasting” would be difficult to maintain in a small country like New Zealand – but I hope you’ll agree that this situation is absolutely ridiculous.

    There may be some light at the end of the tunnel as there is talk of a “New Zealand Man” series being produced next year. But more than likely it will be more “All Blacks talking about picking up women” than “real issues facing NZ men”. But stay tuned anyway.

    Finally, I agree that men’s issues have been ‘glossed over’ and not driven home in the media. I fumed everytime I watched Sainsbury et al make light of men’s rights with chuckled remarks like “isn’t this just men having a whine?”.

    On the other hand – I only had 22 1/2 minutes. The facts speak for themselves – the masculist point of view is endearing and rational – and few could argue that NZ men are hard done by after watching the doco. There are big inequalities such as the breast cancer vs prostate cancer funding (and mens health in general) and many smaller points like that fact that the Ministry of Education got rid of ‘multi-choice’ in exams because girls were not as good at it – then when boys started failing exams … they did nothing.

    Feel free to ask me anything else.

    here is my email also: [email protected]

    Comment by Greg Stubbings — Thu 17th November 2005 @ 9:56 am

  7. Thank you for answering my question.

    You have accessed an interesting variety of souces, which are almost without exception reputable, although I expect some comments may be fringe and likely to misreprsent the movement as a whole.

    That however is a small gripe, well done overall and I look forward to seeing the finished product.

    Comment by Darryl — Thu 17th November 2005 @ 1:52 pm

  8. Greg,what is the title of your doco,and when is it screening.Also in the interests of transparency,what are the names of the three fems you interviewed,privacy shouldnt be an issue if they were prepared to go on camera to the nation,thanks.

    Comment by Rex Howie — Fri 18th November 2005 @ 1:07 pm

  9. Greg,
    Congratulations on getting this project up and running.
    Is it possible to have the doco put on this website (As was video footage of the recent Men’s summit) so that a wider audience can see it?

    Comment by Stephen — Mon 21st November 2005 @ 4:49 am

  10. Hi,

    Unfortunately, the doco can not be made available on this website as it was made with public (NZoA/TVNZ) money. They essentially ‘own the rights’ to it – and dictate where/how it can be viewed.

    A DVD of the doco can be purchased for $30 + ph if anyone is interested.

    [email protected]

    Also, PLEASE bear in mind that I only had 22 1/2 minutes for this doco – and that it was aimed at a younger TV2 demographic – so it may not be the ‘definitive coverage’ we all would like.

    But hey, at least it is SOMETHING on mainstream media.



    Comment by Greg Stubbings — Tue 22nd November 2005 @ 9:35 am

  11. I agree with the comment made about the time that this documentary was put on the Television. I had to go to work the next day but I felt that the whole issue is important enough stay up and watch the programme. I think TVNZ should rerun the programme at a decent hour. So that other New Zealanders can see this important piece of programing.

    Comment by Alan Shaw — Thu 24th November 2005 @ 11:24 pm

  12. hi.
    congrats on the really made me think/ inspired me to write my speech for school on it.i also agree with that comment about the sceening only 14 but am already a victum of the feminist movement.

    Comment by kieran kelly — Sat 2nd August 2008 @ 9:41 pm

  13. Hello
    I am not from NZ, but I still agree that things coudl get even more ugly for men soon. All feminist movements that are always ranting agaisnt men, demanding more and more righs, even if they are more then equal in the eyes of law.

    Here more then 60% of university students are female. And still women rage on abotu education of women. When I look at the statistics I wonder who will protect men.

    I guess men are in great disadvantage over who gets the kids. Even if I saw many caces where men were much better suited for that role.

    When they dont really have nothing to more to say, then might start talking abotu abuse of women worldwide. Like this is really our fault. At least I get that a lot when I ask why do they feel so underprivilaged here.

    Anyway, I would love to see this documentry movie. Why doesnt someone put in on internet? So it is not restricted just to some countries and odd viewing times?

    Comment by Jaka — Fri 8th August 2008 @ 9:10 pm

  14. How about a podcast ?

    Comment by martin swash — Sun 10th August 2008 @ 8:51 am

  15. Hi Martin, dont want to sound silly, but what is a podcast?

    Comment by Hadi Akbari — Sun 10th August 2008 @ 1:17 pm

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