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I’ll say it again.

Filed under: General — Julie @ 3:18 pm Fri 16th June 2006

I have said it before and I will say it again. The government is pooling the funding. This means that for groups to receive funding they have to work together to get more funding.

Maybe Jim’s opinion on this, just maybe will back me up. (But then maybe he doesn’t see how I see things)

For example a group meeting of all interesested groups on youth was called to get the Waitakere Community together to deal with the youth problem. (Friday 16th June)

This is not the first for the doctors and dentists etc are doing the same. The government is finding a solution that is. “Instead of individually paying out funding, all work together and you will get more as a group.”

I reckon personally that a group like SKIP who got 10+ million dollars funding over the next 4 years will be the main provider and all the others will have to support and be a part else they are out of luck for money.

It makes sense for groups to get together, agree with issues and plan goals together. Not only will you make a bigger impact but you will get tax payers money. Where would men prefer to pay there taxes? For DV or mens issues?

I am still happy to find where our group belongs in all this. Shared parenting is the right thing to do but it is also a good business choice if one wants to get funding.

This is my opinion but I tell you, you will see it come to be.


  1. Julie, Et al,

    Today I had a cuddle with Julie. Grandad and youngest daughter type stuff.

    Ben Easton was also there.

    I admire their gutsy nature and wish all that come into my life had at least 1/2 their steam.

    Yes as Julie has guessed I do see the conference very differently.

    MC’d by Elaine Dyer who is a very special person but however not sympathetic to things Hetrosexual.

    Lynne Dovey, State Services Performance Specialist delivered a talk about the success of ROCA

    Seems to have done some great things with wayward youth.

    However when both Ben-E and then myself asked what ROCA had built into there 31/2 – to 41/2 year recovery programme to ensure that these Kids were not further damaged by their so called,turned around from wayward Kids.

    In other words did the ROCA (Spanish for ROCK)Re-Build their value of their NATURAL-Biological-FAMILY and thus set them on a track to build Healthy FAMILY?

    There was no answer.

    I suspect this is yet another overlay of pleasant destruction of the NATURAL-Biological-FAMILY as is the deliberate steamlining of Funding.

    Funding is simply not available to those who challenge the system.

    The difficulties around funding Orgs that promote the value of the whole FAMILY has always been difficult.

    It seems they are about to get a hell of a lot worse

    Onward to independant funding for the HandsOnEqualParent TRUST

    Regards – Jim

    Comment by Jim Bailey — Fri 16th June 2006 @ 7:08 pm

  2. Jim,

    Shame you sees things differently than I do. Accounting rules change as of 2007 and the government and councils will be screened the same as companies. When you see what changes are coming, and what other countries are already doing and then what the groups are doing around drugs and alcohol, you put a picture together.

    I got challenged by 2 counsellors today as to my credentials. (Must of been from the cuddle from you) but they didn’t get anywhere after I put them in their place. Totally spilled it because my experience is life. They couldn’t argue that.
    Did you notice I got to spend the time with the boys in blue. They were real.
    It was great.

    Comment by julie — Fri 16th June 2006 @ 9:57 pm

  3. Julie,
    Social services groups pooling thier resources is not news. Especially with youth being made a focus in recent years. What has been missing is as Jim so wisely points out – A FOCUS ON CREATING STRONGER FAMILIES AS A SAFETY BELT SO YOUTH DON”T CRASH IN THE FIRST PLACE.
    Men’s groups who haven’t towed the femmie line have been actively discouraged from having input to services for youth in many quarters too.
    Why the attempt to airbrush nz’s culture?
    I hope you can hear that.
    I’ve yelleded it before, and I’ll yell it again!!

    Comment by Stephen — Sat 17th June 2006 @ 12:31 am

  4. Thank you Julie, Jim and Stephen. We need to recognize that we are in a WAR with groups ACTIVELY OPPOSED to natural families, and that these groups have the government ear. Men’s groups ae NEVER going to get any Government funding- e.g. this weekend the (only) Men’s refuge house closed due to lack of funds, and because Warren Heap (the only person who will run the refuge for free) is ill in hospital.
    In war, a good strategy is to weaken the enemy by subverting it’s people. We have all talked to many people working for ‘the enemy’ who are have had their eyes opened. We are seeing all sorts of people now acting in a supportive way to fathers, who previously would have believed the anti-family propaganda.
    Government funding is not a winnable fight- People are what count.

    Comment by John Brett — Sat 17th June 2006 @ 9:34 am

  5. Julie, you observe:

    The government is pooling the funding.

    This is so they can better control who gets the benefit, and more importantly, who doesn’t.

    Rather than support small grass-roots community groups who might have ideas different from the prevailing political agenda, they prefer to give the vast majority of funding to large corporate organisations which can be controlled if they get out of line.

    I predict it will be a long time before men as a group are seen as deserving of anything like their fair share of taxpayer dollars, seeing as how we are to blame for most of the bad stuff that happens!

    Comment by JohnP — Sun 18th June 2006 @ 10:05 pm

  6. John,

    As much as I have learn’t about the feminist and socialist movements, I still have questions about the mens movement here in NZ.

    Individual people make up the the women’s movement and as a group they gather their information and proceed to argue with it. Even these people feel the polititions are really interested in passing thier own bills. And they are starting to see that they are getting fed statistics that are wrong.

    They just happen to have more people on their side and have been doing it longer and have alot of facts to back them up. And infuential people in their pocket.

    It just seems over the top for there to be a group of females conspiring to take down the men’s issues. Well there is a group of friends in high positions of “Children’s Commission, WINZ (maybe) CYFS and Women’s refuge. Helen Clarke may just also be a personal friend of theirs.
    Is it not these people alone that are the enemy.

    And besides that, they are more than happy to hear what I have to say and even more so they are willing to help.
    They don’t intentionally want to destroy men but want to save women and children.

    Of course there are men haters out there and probably more than the women haters out there. But there are alot of others who happen to like both sexes.

    “The country is screwed up” is becoming the norm thoughts from men and women.

    And NO, I haven’t forgotton what I learn’t from Intrepid about men cannot be seen as victims.

    Comment by julie — Sun 18th June 2006 @ 10:42 pm

  7. They don’t intentionally want to destroy men but want to save women and children.

    The stated goal of radical feminism is to destroy patriarchal society. Men are seen more as a resource to be exploited rather than something to be destroyed.

    “Saving women & children” is just a fund-raising device designed to manipulate our emotions.

    I’m well aware that many women in these organisations are perfectly well-intentioned, and are doing necessary work. Unfortunately they have little understanding about the feminist agenda.

    I think the biggest mistake many men make is to underestimate how clever and devious some women can be.

    Comment by JohnP — Mon 19th June 2006 @ 9:26 pm

  8. Hi John,

    I think the biggest mistake many men make is to underestimate how clever and devious some women can be.

    Yes, that is true.

    And so is your comment on women being unaware of the consequenses of their actions in fighting for safety of women and children.

    And for that reason we have to bring it out in the open for judgement to be made on all facts etc.

    On another note, I meet up with some of the people in the community dealing with the youth. Some of the groups have closed down because of lack of funding while others are struggling soon to close down while others will reap the benefits.

    However, I do agree that men’s groups are getting shunted out of funding.
    Hey, the challenge will only strengthen the fight to get it.

    Comment by julie — Mon 19th June 2006 @ 11:10 pm

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